DoubleJ

NORE #1

I bet those AV users are running Swords Dance over Bulk Up. Get rekt @pachima I'm bad.

Gallade Strengths: no counters, 2hko's entire meta with 4 moves, good defensive typing, great spdef, good wallbreaking speed Weak points: poor def, susceptible to pursuit (Staraptor maybe?), speed is not favorable when facing offense, no recovery, susceptible to chip damage Potential sets: Doesn't need much other than 4 moves and a life orb or scarf, swords dance is just greedy but likely effective with AV Impact: Best wallbreaker ever introduced; leads to a more offensive meta, which has been the natural transition of mmo; opponents rely on faster threats to beat it or trick plays like a hidden focus sash or berry. Early usage isn't really good to look at. Usage including win percentage might be helpful after a month or two. Easy. Please discuss.

Hey I won a doubles tournament with Venu+Zam combo. Shout out @PinkWings #masters

@pachima my old friend, there you are. Appreciate the understanding. Understandably, folks see a monster that can beat any switch-in with it's boosted perfect coverage, using all 4 attacks, and want it removed. Conkeldurr, Garchomp, and Reuniclus were all fine. Now we're seeing a faster variant with little to no physical defense, but pretty solid special defense. I'm excited to see the meta change and adapt, or at worse, be pretty bad.

Gallade is a match-up nightmare. With our current options, we really have no safe switch-ins. Even a simple Life Orb + 4-Attack set (Shadow Sneak, Sacred Sword, Psycho Cut, Night Slash) with a Jolly Nature is difficult to break. Spiritomb and Sableye are good options, as they both can survive a predicted Night Slash, although they are concerned for an untimely critical hit, which must be noted has increased chances to occur as a secondary effect. Foul Play is the reliable counter-play in this scenario, although easily played around. Will-o-Wisp is also a great option here, but one miss could prove fatal. Fortunately, Gallade is absolute squish on the defensive end, and any physical attack will take a huge chunk out of it, decreasing it's longevity. Regardless, we need to keep a close eye on this thing and think about how to promote counter-play, introduce new checks, or consider a ban, which honestly would be rather sad. Colbur Berry Foul Play Slowbro, where art thou?! Gliscor, hero of all, can you survive a random Ice Punch? Scarf Scizor, would you carry Aerial Ace please? Hydreigon, do you want Draco Meteor back?

After a one month review, Salamence appears to fit well within the UU tier and the TC has voted to close this thread.

People weren't calling for discussion, they were calling for a ban.

Glances at TC, "It looks like they're leaving, I think it worked!"

Another week, another thread that's not updated.

What about PU?

@Imperial We already have hazard setters in NU, adding more won't make a significant impact. Both Gastro and Quag will be limited by their moveset, and I anticipate adjusting to these threats will include a rise in things like Vileplume, Roselia, Lilligant, Ludicolo, and other grass types. Also, using RU as a comparison isn't the same as considering a ban. If they go up naturally, as expected, then there you go. "Wicked high usage" is tbd but a good comparison is the high usage moves we made after the first round of HA's. I'd have to look those up. And I agree, no Heavy-Duty-Boots yet, but getting close. Scyther will keep praying in the meantime.

Some calls for Quagsire and Gastrodon to move up just because of hazards. That's silly. Be happy these blobs won't carry Toxic anymore unless they sacrifice their already scarce coverage in EQ/EP, Scald, or Ice Beam. They'll likely rise by usage anyways and if usage is wicked high, we'll move 'em up before the next season (since we're giving a try to 3 month movements).

Breloom now runs into the classic 4MSS issue where it has the tools but it just can't check everything. Common set will likely be the following: Life Orb w/ Mach Punch Bullet Seed Close Combat/Spore Zen Headbutt/Rock Tomb It will take some scouting and an Amoongus will still do the job coming in on any attack to find what moves the 'loom has. Carrying Protect will make it even easier to figure it out.

What Pursuit trappers can handle it though? Also that ain't gonna kill half the time. Dugtrio needs to worry about priority as well. 4 attacks seems very reasonable, even sub + 3 attacks is a lit set. Doesn't need much coverage. Sacred Sword Psycho Cut Shadow Sneak/Sucker Punch Leaf Blade/Substitute With Life Orb? GG's.

Gallade will go to OU given this huge buff. The new SR/Spikes users will make the environment pretty interesting. I anticipate Quagsire naturally going to OU, which will make set up sweepers more powerful in the lower tiers. Will need to keep a close eye. Gastrodon becomes infinitely better and might be UU, if Quagsire has so much usage that keeps it there. Special shout out to Spikes Chomp and SR Hydreigon. Not many Defoggers will want to stand up to them. Honchkrow with U-turn will be great, same with SD Dugtrio. Drill Run Closter isn't that exciting. Other changes shouldn't be so significant, but we'll see.

Not even updated wtf

Overall Vaporeon is an outstanding wall and paired well with Nidoqueen, which was proven to be too effective at breaking walls. With Nidoqueen gone, it will be interesting to see how impressive Vaporeon truly is, knowing Vaporeon is reasonably one-dimensional. My gestalt is that it's just fine in the NU tier and offers a unique niche with Wish-Baton Passing that is superior to Wish-Teleport Clefable.

C'mon where are the 'trode and Cloy combos? Where are the CB sets at? Let's break some walls fam.

Looking good so far.

A little early to call it quits, but Cloyster certainly seems manageable right now. Interesting since it has such outstanding coverage.

Those are pretty definitive statements and someone not following along would think that the TC has voted, Munya is blocking a final decision, and Nidoqueen is being inappropriately kept in the tier. False information and not just an example by my evaluation. A vote has recently been opened for Nidoqueen and we are awaiting results.

This is exciting.

Your declarations of a "3-0" vote are essentially spreading false information and misleading the community.

You're talking without merit. This is more transparent than we need to be, but a vote has been opened, and only just opened for Nidoqueen. Voting is ongoing and will continue until we have all votes or a definitive majority, which for our council is a total of 4 to meet the 2/3 requirement.