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That's my issue with people that want Arena Trap banned so bad that they are willing to lie just to get their way. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Kabutops? Kabutops OHKO Trapinch with Waterfall and even CB Kabutops can 2hko Trapinch with Stone Edge. 81% of the Kabutops played in OU are Life Orb anyway. Riddiculous. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Empoleon? 3% of Empoleon are played with Shuca Berry 3% of Empoleon are played with Shed Shell A decent portion of Empoleon carry defensive bulk to live EQ from Trapinch All Empoleon carry water coverage that can potentially OHKO Trapinch (depending on the set) or burn it How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Infernape? Only 19% of Infernapes are locked with either Scarf or CB. And even if Infernape was locked, Trapinch would need switch in support in order to come on the field after Infernape has already made a move. And we're also talking about a mon with access to u-turn anyways... How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Torkoal? Torkoal naturally outspeeds Trapinch, can tank all its attacks and will either OHKO it with Overheat or 2HKO it with Lava Plume. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Tyranitar? That's probably the best match up for Trapinch and even that is not free since Ttar still hits very hard, so Trapinch needs switch in support in order to do its job. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Lucario? It just doesn't. Close Combat will OHKO Trapinch and that's pretty much it. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Weavile? I guess if Weavile is locked and has already made a kill with Pursuit/Ice Shard/Night Slash, in that case yes Trapinch will delete Weavile, but that mean you had to lose a mon... How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Magnezone? That's definetly Trapinch best match up since Magnezone is not allowed to click anything other than Flash Cannon as long as Trapinch is alive. I'll give you this one. However, it's still not even close to the same degree as Dugtrio that can switch into Magnezone regardless of Flash Cannon or not. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Excadrill? It for sure doesn't switch into Excadrill, so it would need switch in support once again. However, most Excadrill are used as Suicide Leads that place Rocks and die. Trapinch doesn't really prevent Excadrill from doing its job, so even though it might delete Excadrill, it would delete it at a terrible cost. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Darmanitan? Darmanitan only uses two moves, Flareblizt and U-turn. Flareblizt OHKO Trapinch, U-Turn means Trapinch can't trap Darmanitan. If for some reason, a locked Darmanitan decides to lock itself into another move, in that case Trapinch will indeed be able to delete it. Most Darmanitan never use these moves tho. How is Trapinch supposed to trap and delete Volcarona? There are a lot of Volcarona sets to go through. If an offensive Volcarona does Quiver Dance, Trapinch will get OHKO by Bug Buzz, Giga Drain, Hidden Power Ice (a boosting item might be necessary), Flamethrower, etc. All offensive Volcarona carry at least one of these moves. Choice Spec Volcarona is an even worse match up since it doesn't need to set up in order to OHKO Trapinch, but on top of that it can also simply U-Turn and not get trapped. And pretty much all of the moves palyed on a Spec Volcarona should be able to KO Trapinch with the exception of Fiery Dance (if no boost) and Overheat if Volcarona already killed a pokemon. There is also Bold Volcarona. That's probably the only Volcarona agaisnt which Trapinch can accomplish something. Unfortunetly, switch in support is still required if Trapinch wants to delete Volcarona on top of the fact that Trapinch will have to rely on a low accuracy Stone Edge and in some cases will also have to dodge a wil-o-wisp. Overall, Trapinch is absolute garbage. It doesn't have any favorable match up against any of the listed mons, except perhaps Magnezone and to some degree Ttar. Like I said many times, Magnezone and Ttar are not healthy pokemon as trappers themselves, so if Trapinch can somewhat be pseudo viable vs them and tbh only them, that's a positive not a negative. Please guys. It's easy to make a case that Dugtrio is banworthy, especially with its current tools. However, when you start making a case about AT Trapinch being viable in any way in OU, you lose all credibility and it's shameful how low some of you might go just to get your way. @VadimEmpoleon I know I am being harshed, but I mean no offense to you personally. I just hate these types of post that pollute this thread and many others. Edit: I personally disagree with this. If something is bad as in unviable, that implies to me that thing is irrelevant to the competitive scene and therefore can't be uncompetitive. If something is bad, you don't prepare for it because by default most teams will win against w.e that unviable thing may be. However, that unviable thing could have a good match up vs some key mons and that's just match up fishing. You can match up fishing with anything really. Bringing a Trick Room team vs a Rain Team, that's pure match up fishing. Arena Trap mons can match up fish vs certain match ups, but that's no different than any other kind of match up fishing. Match up fishing could be deemed uncompetitive, but that's not something specific to Arena Trap.

Trapping is not problematic if you can't do anything to the mon you just trapped. Trapinch and Diglett are harmless in OU. There is nothing uncompetitive about them.

AT is not relevant in NU and, even if it was relevant in NU, it would still have no impact on whether or not AT should be banned or not in OU.

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Wobbuffet was not broken, it was Untiered actually.

Wobbuffet was unbanned in February 2019 once team preview was implemented: Wobbuffet moved down to UU in April 2019: Wobbuffet moved down to NU in July 2019: I can't find the exact timing Wobbuffet gained Tickle, but it was around August 2019: Wobbuffet went from NU to OU in December 2019: Wobbuffet was banned in May 2020: It's very evident that Tickle was the main reason why Wobbuffet went from Untiered to Uber. I was TC at the time, I voted to ban Wobbuffet and, if it wasn't for Tickle, no one in TC would have ever voted to ban Wobbuffet: The decision to nerf Shadow Tag instead of just removing Tickle from Wobbuffet was imo completly overkill. As disgusting as Wobbuffet may be, it would be very useful in our meta in order to punish the following cancer mons and cancer strats: Gallade Chansey Wish Passing to heal an entire team Amoongus and potential Slowbro abusing Future Sight + Teleport or simply Spore at almost no cost because of Regenerator etc. @DoubleJ, @Huargensy, @Axelgor, @Lumiere, @Azphiel & @FlacuSkye Please ask devs to remove the uncanon Shadow Tag nerf and simply remove Tickle from Wobbuffet, so it can go back to being Untiered and being useful on rare occasions.

What's the reasoning in 2024 to keep a mon that was untiered by usage banned when it would be quite useful vs Gallade and regen mons like Slowbro and Amoongus?

Mons get banned based on facts, not assumptions. The fact that Diglett is not NU or UU by usage is more than enough to demonstrate that it's not something to be concerned about.

Absoutely not, this is so untrue imo. If Dugtrio gets banned, Diglett will try to take over and will fail miserably. It would not even be close to viable. Diglett has already access to Endeavor and doesn't see any usage in NU or UU, so why would it suddenly be banworthy in OU. People hate AT so much that they will blindly believe anything that will justifty an AT ban. There is no justification or argument that can justify such a ban. There is 0 issue with AT. Dugtrio is the only pokemon with AT that is deemed problematic. Not Trapinch. Not Diglett. Only Dugtrio.

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I personally no longer care about the recovery pp nerf; it is what it is. However, your point about gems is imo very good; if devs want to follow the new gens as much as possible, why are gems still at 50% and not 30%. It's not like 30% gems are going to be broken and therefore we should keep them at 50%. Nerfing recovery pp while keeping gems at 50% is very inconsistent imo.

TC never made an announcement about it. It was announced in a changelog. That's why most of us are assuming it was a devs decision and TC had nothing to do with it.

Looking at the January 2019 UU metagame, Yanmegga seemed very difficult to stop as well and yet it never got banned: Most of these mons are NU today. Sure, NU doesn't have Crobat and Snorlax, but NU still has Gigalith, Mantine, Milotic, Golbat, Cryogonal (btw @Imperial you calced Cryogonal with 70 base hp instead of 80), etc. I'm very confident Yanmegga will be unhealthy, but that's not a reason to ban something without testing it out.

I rarely agree with Pachima, but I do this time. This is the only part I believe to be misrepresented because I don't think Dugtrio deletes a significant portion of the format when you look at the most common OU mons 1 by 1. I want to stress out something important; if there is a problem, it's not AT or Dugtrio, but indeed the combination of both. AT by itself is not banworthy, just like Wonder Guard on Shedinja specifially is not banworthy. Since bans are never permanent on PokeMMO, I think if something gets done about AT+Dugtrio, we need to consider the potential nerfs. I think banning AT or nerfing it does not make sense since the ability is completly fine on Trapinch and Diglett. Reducing back Dugtrio's base attack to 80 like it was in the past would be imo completly cannon and authentic to the original games. I'm personally fine if TC determines Dugtrio+AT as banworthy. I think there are good reasons to vote for or against that ban. However, I truly fear the nerf that will come afterwards and I really hope people will push for the attack stat reduction and not something else. Every single pokemon in OU that Dugtrio traps will be affected positively by an attack stat reduction except for Magnezone and Ttar that I mentionned earlier and that's a good thing.

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The Psychic situation is very similar when you compare Golbat to Crobat. Obviously, the Speed for Bulk tradeoff has an impact in that match up, but it's not that different.

I suggest the following 7 tier format: OU (2pts) OU UU NU Dubs LC UT There would be 2 OU duels per week. One would be worth 2 pts; the second one would be worth 1 pt. This could give us very hyped match ups since it will mean managers will have a big incentive to always put their best player in the OU slot worth more. No dodging basically. We have an average of 250k OU duels per month compared to 5k in UU, 7k in NU and 9k in Dubs. I understand that some might find it boring to have 3 OU duels in a 8 tiers PSL lineup, but OU still needs to be well represented in PSL since more than 90% of the duels played in PokeMMO are OU duels.

Ya, but I don't see Stall struggling vs Yanmegga. Offense would tho imo.

I don't think Yanmegga would be broken in NU since a few walls can stop it like Gigalith and Golbat. However, I suspect it would be very unhealthy for the NU metagame. Offense would gain a double edge sword with Yanmegga as a powerful tool, but also as what could be an unstoppable threat. It might still be worth testing tho. Looking back at 2019, the UU meta didn't have much to deal with Yanmegga (only Crobat and Snorlax really, since Empoleon didn't exist, Milotic was OU and Gigalith was NU). Perhaps Cryogonal would become more viable. It's hard to tell, but honnestly I'm not sure what Offense will be able to do vs Yanmegga.

Consistently, no. There are many viable teams against which Dugtrio can't consistently set up a winning situation. Uncompetitive applies to moves and abilities. Arena Trap by nature is not necessarily uncompetitive, espcially on mons like Trapinch and Diglett that suck so bad that even AT is not enough to make them viable or interresting. Arena Trap on Dugtrio is another story tho, but does it take autonomy from players to an unacceptable degree, that's arguable. Most OU mons that seem weak to Dugtrio can usually manage just fine: Infernape can u-turn, Metagross/Empoleon have enough bulk, Lucario has priority and Excadrill has Rapid Spin. The mons that can't do anything vs Dugtrio are Magnezone and Ttar. They are doomed if they stay in front of a Dugtrio switching in. Ironanically, Magnezone and Ttar fall pretty much in the same category of uncompetitiveness as Dugtrio. Magnezone Trapping Skarm, Scizor, Empoleon, Ferrothorhn, etc. Ttar having the potential to trap everything with Pursuit, but mainly Chandelure that becomes useless. The difference is that unlike Dugtrio, Magnezone and Ttar have high stats so even when they don't have a specific target to trap, they are rarely dead weight. Dugtrio can totally be dead weight if it doesn't have a target to trap. With that being said, Arena Trap may affect more mons than Magnezone and Ttar, but Dugtrio itself doesn't accomplish as much with Arena Trap than Magnezone and Ttar in general. Using Dugtrio to trap Ttar or Magnezone is pretty much fighting fire with fire imo. Edit: Forgot to mention Volcarona that also gets trapped by Dugtrio and I'll concede that u-turn Volcarona is not super common.

For top donators over the year, there is a big gap between Coolio (109M) and MdM (68M). If you guys can think of someone that donated a lot, let me know. There is very little information that I could find about Season 1, Season 2, Season 3 and Season 11. If you were a manager, a player or even the host of these seasons, please share any information that I missed.

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