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Gigalith is also a good spdef wall, and is used to set up stealth rocks, it has more rolls than to block climate

Their point is that Gigalith isnt an answer to Exeggutor, but to sun. They are not suggesting you use Gigalith to beat Exegg, you can use something like mandibuzz to do that, and then bring gigalith in later to cancel sun after exegg is switched out. The pokemon that are used to beat sun arent just for sun, but have other roles within the team.

Gosh why cant we just use examples convenient for my calcs. In sun half the tier doesnt outspeed exegg, but I do understand your point, again its not like i'm really pushing for a tork ban, thick fat lax imo is enough of an answer to sun teams, I just was hoping to promote discourse to help the guy out. Afk

Cause its too easy to carry suneet, but for real, I get tag team tours are more fun, but I wanted more of a individually based tournament, I'd have included LC, but for a prize of around 20m I figured we wanted a big bracket

I genuinely do not believe he is a troll. He's clearly new to the scene and is perhaps struggling with the language (maybe its unfair of me to make those 2 assumptions, but humour me) People are at different levels, his attention versus sun is more of a "oh shit the sun is up, I must get rid of it" rather than answering the immediate threat. His weird points again can be attributed to his relative errr "newness?" and lesser understanding. I understand its frustrating that hes making these points and not comprehending the points being made, but to attack him for it is part of the major problems I see with the mmo community atm. Like I tried to explain to Gb, my point was more directly to inspire meaningful discourse so that his concerns about sun in UU are not completely ignored, and so that he alone is ganged up on for being a "troll" or a "noob"

Look, I do understand that my leaf storm calc was kinda irrelevant, however I don't think its completely irrelevant, I am fan of mandibuzz, but lets be real crobat and gligar usage outshines it and are often used in its role. But, it was more of a hasty defense of his arguments, the point I think I intended to make was more centralized around typhlosion in the sun. Although suggesting leaf storm as an answer for gigalith isnt exactly a disservice there are plenty of situations where the 50/50 may lead to the opponent going to either bronzong or gigalith (hp fire vs leaf storm) Not every team is gonna run mandibuzz. But anyway, my main purpose was to try get you all to take his concerns more seriously, not to give him advice. Look, I understand his arguments and points are less informed than players who have had more experience, that being said I dont believe thats reason to ignore his concerns about the tier. He clearly believes that sun is a threatening team in UU, and his concerns must be rooted in something. Instead of attacking new players we should be listening to their concerns and pointing them in the right direction, instead of just calling them trolls or noobs when they fail to understand a point or are unconvinced. Tl;dr mmo community are too toxic to new players getting into the comp scene

Merely an indication that giigalith alone is not an answer to sun teams. The bigger issue that bomberfox didn't really address are pokemon like typhlosion that abuse sun and force 50/50s. You guys are all so dedicating to shutting down his points that you are all ignoring that his concerns are rooted on an aspect of the tier he feels is extremely threatening. Im not here to say hes right, but I do grow tired of everyone just shutting him down and calling him a noob instead of giving his concerns any real thought. I respect that you for instance has presented him potential answers and solutions, but lets not pretend 80% of the response have even attempted the same level of thought, and aren't merely jumping on the "hes just a troll" or "hes just a noob" bandwagon

Alright well in Bomberfox's defense sun teams aren't as bad as you are all making them sound: 252+ SpA Life Orb Exeggutor Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gigalith in Sand: 330-390 (88.2 - 104.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery if you want to get rid of exegg's sun, gigalith struggles a great deal. Without access to any adequate recovery it is also extremely prone to chip., once it falls then there is nothing to get rid of the sun. Once Gigalith falls vs sun, then you have a much larger threat than sweeper exegg to worry about. 252 SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 248 HP / 240+ SpD Mandibuzz in Sun: 366-432 (86.5 - 102.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery I am not saying Torkoal deserves to be banned, but you guys are awfully quick to pretend that sun in UU isnt at the very least a threat.

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its spelled Havsha

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hmmm not quite yet, I have been meaning to get into vgc, but I dont have any teams

50k is cool with me, i can log on now if youre keen

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