Speed Tournament (3rd January)

[Noad]

Details:
32 Players
Unlimited Reserves
6v6 Tournament
Single Battle
Level 50
Restricted to Pokemon with a base speed of 90 or higher.

Date + Time:
Date: Saturday 3rd January
Time: 4:00 PM EST | 9:00 PM GMT

 

Registration Method: 

Registration will open 10 minutes prior to the tournament. You may only register one person per forum account. I will post the bracket in this thread after roll call in game. Please post your feedback of this trialled registration system in this feedback thread.

Location:
Dojo Gym, Saffron City, Channel 7

Clauses:
Sleep/OHKO/Pristine/Species/Hax Item/Evasion/Bag Item/Time/Self KO
List of Clauses and what they mean

Banned Moves: 
Torment
Rain Dance
Baton Pass

Banned Pokemon:
Any Pokemon with base speed below 90. (90 is allowed)
Diglett and Dugtrio are banned from this tournament

Salamence

Linoone

Aerodactyl

Allowed Pokemon:

[spoiler]

Electrode
Jolteon
Crobat
Alakazam
Persian
Starmie
Sneasel
Gengar
Tauros
Jumpluff
Espeon
Kadabra
Rapidash
Scyther
Electabuzz
Charizard
Fearow
Raichu
Ninetales
Tentacruel
Dodrio
Voltorb
Slaking
Raticate
Primeape
Arcanine
Haunter
Jynx
Xatu
Yanma
Houndoom
Elekid
Plusle
Minun
Sharpedo
Magmar
Pidgeot
Murkrow
Pikachu
Golbat
Venomoth
Meowth
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Abra
Ponyta
Kangaskhan
Mr. Mime
Furret
Vigoroth

[/spoiler]

 

Prize:

1st: Shiny Dodrio (Level 31) 
2nd: 500 RP

Registration Method: Registration will open ten minutes prior to the tournament. You may only register one person per forum account. I will post the bracket in this thread after roll call in game. Please post your feedback of this trialled registration system in this feedback thread.

Notes:

 

• Do not AFK Timeout your opponent unless your referee has stated you may.
• Disconnecting during a match will result in a DQ.
• Do not block your opponents, or the Staff running the Event. If there is evidence of this and disregarding staff requesting you to unblock said individuals you will be DQ'd.
• Volpi Clause (requesting to change channels for your matches) will not be allowed for this tournament. Entrants are encouraged to uncheck "Render Overworld in Battle". (Menu -> Settings -> Video).
• Due to a recent post by Desu (link), it has been decided that any occurrences of the 'Battle Freeze' bug will result in a DQ; This is because it is actively avoidable when following the necessary steps and slows down the pace of a tournament. Please be read the post before participating and be sure to follow what is said to avoid this situation happening to you.
• Once your match is called you will have 10 minutes to report to the table. A 5 minute warning will be given to you via whisper if you are not at the table. No time extensions will be given.

Host: NoadHunter 
Refs: XelaKebert Zehkar Eggplant

[SirGaryOak]

Date + Time:

Date: Saturday 3rd January
Time: 4:00 PM EST | 9:00 PM GMT

Registration:
Date: Sunday 28th December
Time: 4:00 PM EST | 9:00 PM GMT
 

Registration Method: Registration will open one hour prior to the tournament. You may only register one person per forum account. I will post the bracket in this thread after roll call in game. Please post your feedback of this trialled registration system in this feedback thread.

 

One says registration 28th other says 1 hour before the event. It's one hour before the event right? :)

[Noad]

One says registration 28th other says 1 hour before the event. It's one hour before the event right? :)

Good catch! Fixed ;)

[OrangeManiac]

 

 

Banned Pokemon:
Any Pokemon with base speed below 90. (90 is allowed)
Diglett and Dugtrio are banned from this tournament

Allowed Pokemon:

[spoiler]

Electrode
Jolteon
Aerodactyl
Crobat
Dugtrio
Alakazam
Persian
Starmie
Sneasel
Gengar
Tauros
Jumpluff
Espeon
Kadabra
Rapidash
Scyther
Electabuzz
Charizard
Fearow
Raichu
Ninetales
Tentacruel
Dodrio
Voltorb
Linoone
Slaking
Salamence
Raticate
Diglett
Primeape
Arcanine
Haunter
Jynx
Xatu
Yanma
Houndoom
Elekid
Plusle
Minun
Sharpedo
Magmar
Pidgeot
Murkrow
Pikachu
Golbat
Venomoth
Meowth
Poliwag
Poliwhirl
Abra
Ponyta
Kangaskhan
Mr. Mime
Furret
Vigoroth

[/spoiler]

 

 

Might wanna remove the Diglett and Dugtrio from allowed Pokemon just to prevent any confusion. Also, might be just me but I think Bdrum Sitrus Berry Espeed Linoone is just way too much for this "meta".

Edited December 21, 2014 by OrangeManiac

[JonazDK]

How much speed do a 252 speed + nature poke hit in level 50?

[londark]

How much speed do a 252 speed + nature poke hit in level 50?

42

[Newdisplayname]

winning team:Abra/Poliwag/Meowth/Voltorb/Ponyta/Elekid, no need to thank me

[TJXD]

Linoone is going to be a problem, will be overused and there arent any hard checks listed so yea.

 

Also calling semi's or winning this.

[OldKeith]

Speed tie official, let's go!

[Noad]

Please be aware of the change in registration time from 1 hour prior to 10 minutes prior to the event starting. Please refer to this post for more information.

[londark]

Please be aware of the change in registration time from 1 hour prior to 10 minutes prior to the event starting. Please refer to this post for more information.

That's better, now ban Linoone

[FlareBlitzz]

Why S Dodrio Level 31?

[Noad]

Why S Dodrio Level 31?

Because that is the earliest level that Doduo can evolve into Dodrio.

[OldKeith]

Should Salamence be allowed? By now I suppose everyone is aware of how good of a physical wall it is.

[Noad]

If you guys feel that Salamence and Linoone banned, shoot me a PM or post in this thread the reason why and I will consider it over the next few days. 

[KingTsunami]

Why not just make is a level 1 Doduo then lol?

[OldKeith]

Why Salamence is uncompetitive for Speed Tournament.

 

By definition, a speed tier is, well, fast, and people rely on checks rather than counters, predicting rather than walling. In the end the player who wins the most speed ties becomes the champion.

 

However, there is a problem in this tier: Salamence. As many of you already know, a variant of this pokemon is being used as a wall, due to the new access to the move WISH.

 

Here are some calculations so you can see why it breaks/dominates this tournament:

 

Choice Band Adamant Kangaskhan Double-Edge (after intimidate) 37.6% - 44.6%

Choice Band Adamant Tauros Double-Edge (after intimidate) 38.6% - 46%

Choice Band Jolly Aerodactyl Rock Slide (after intimidate) 45.5% - 54.5%

Choice Band Jolly Crobat Sludge Bomb (after intimidate) 20.8% - 25.2%

Choice Band Jolly Dodrio Double-Edge (after intimidate) 37.6% - 44.6%

Choice Band Arcanine Hidden Power Rock (after intimidate) 32.7% - 38.6%

Choice Band Adamant Slaking Double-Edge (after intimidate) 54% - 63.9%

Choice Band Raticate (Guts Activated) Facade (after intimidate) 58.4% - 69.8%

 

Now, it is up to the hosts to decide. The stalling potential of Salamence is obvious, and it can hit hard back with Dragon Claw, Hidden Power Flying, Brick Break, Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, etc, while simply healing itself with Wish/Protect.

Edited December 24, 2014 by keithgalbraith

[OrangeManiac]

The thing about Linoone is that in this metagame it shouldn't Speed invest - it should max HP invest. Due to Sitrus Berry recovery with 252 HP nothing really does in this meta more than 75% to it (other than Choice Banders which you shouldn't set up against) making the Belly Drum possible. After that it's just all priority and I calced that even Aero won't necessarily live a Espeed from it so nothing will. There is a way to stop this: priority like Fake Out from Persian and Kangaskhan or because of the lack of speed investment Espeed from Arcanine or Quick Attack from Dodrio will deal with this thing but after you have taken those out it's a free sweep for your Linoone. Basically you are required to run these mentioned Pokemon and save them with all costs just because Linoone won't Extremespeed your whole team to oblivion.

Might be just me but I find that really unpleasant for a meta, even for a gimmick.

Oh yeah, the calc. Dat coin toss, kek.

 

+6 Linoone ExtremeSpeed vs. Aerodactyl: 141-167 (90.9 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Edited December 24, 2014 by OrangeManiac

[londark]

XSpeed > Quick Attack in priority so no Dodrio

Better prepare a Pressure Protect bulky Aero for it

[OrangeManiac]

XSpeed > Quick Attack in priority so no Dodrio

Better prepare a Pressure Protect bulky Aero for it

 

 

Extremespeed works quite special kind of way in Generation 3, making the +2 priority basically mean nothing in singles.

 

 

 

Generations II to IV

ExtremeSpeed inflicts damage and is an increased priority move. If the target does not use an increased priority move during the round that it is used, ExtremeSpeed will go first regardless of the user's or target's speed. If the target also uses a move with an increased priority of +1 during the same round that the user uses ExtremeSpeed, the attack order of the users will be determined normally. If the user is put to sleep or frozen during the round that ExtremeSpeed is (or is attempted to be) used, ExtremeSpeed's increased speed priority will not be reset. Subsequently, it will only be reset on the turn after the user wakes up or is defrosted, or if the user switches out.

Generation V

ExtremeSpeed now has +2 priority.

 

 

Not sure if it has been intentionally made to work later gen mechanics but at least some months ago that wasn't the case.

Edited December 24, 2014 by OrangeManiac

[Eggplant]

Extremespeed works quite special kind of way in Generation 3, making the +2 priority basically mean nothing.

 

Not sure if it has been intentionally made to work later gen mechanics but at least some months ago that wasn't the case.

Updated During-Turn priority. Ordering is now:

[spoiler]+7.  Pursuit (If target opponent switches, otherwise priority is 0)
+6.  Switching out, using items, escaping, charging of Focus Punch
+5.  Helping Hand
+4.  Detect, Magic Coat, Protect, Snatch
+3.  Endure, Fake Out, Follow Me
+2.  ExtremeSpeed,
+1.  Bide, Mach Punch, Quick Attack
 0.   All other moves
-1.   Vital Throw
-2.   None
-3.   Focus Punch
-4.   Revenge
-5.   Counter, Mirror Coat
-6.   Roar, Whirlwind
-7.   Fleeing [/spoiler]

Source

[londark]

From last Changelog, Extreme Speed has Priority +2, Quick Attack +1 so Extreme Speed will go first

[OrangeManiac]

Source

 

From last Changelog, Extreme Speed has Priority +2, Quick Attack +1 so Extreme Speed will go first

 

Assuming that +2 means the real +2, not "Generation 3 +2" then fair enough.

[Inarin]

 Gotta Go Fast! 

[Noad]

Thank you OldKeith and OrangeManiac for your input, I will have a think about this.