NikhilR Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Slowking atm is one of our best answers to kingler / azumarill / scizor and many more other choicebanders. If you're gonna even consider banning it, ban the others first. DrCraig 1 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 iron def / amnesia / rest / toxic. thats 16/16/24/32 pp. rest=4 turns per one rest pp, so thats 136 turns off stall. literally nothing but perish trappers and a few set up pokes can break this. if you bring a cb poke slowking will laugh 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 94-112 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery [spoiler] pokes that can actually break this SD zangoose (cb loses) +6 252 Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 67-79 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 11.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +6 252+ Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 73-87 (36.1 - 43%) -- 96.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery SD absol (however if slowking iron defs on the switch in, it can toxic absol then switch out. round 2 absol wont be able to come in and break slowking. while absol user can use heal bell/aroma, once slowking set up a few iron defs, it can toxic absol any time it comes in and just stall until absol dies or switches out to heal bell/aroma user. ofc toxic has more pp then bell/aroma) +6 252 Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 114-136 (56.4 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +6 252+ Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 124-148 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery SD crawdaunt but not CB/DD. in same situation as absol SD shiftry but not CB. in same situatoin as absol/cradaunt SD breloom can beat it, but not before it dies to toxic unless good luck with spore sleep times. +6 252+ Atk Breloom ThunderPunch vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and the obvious perish trapper beats it too. [/spoiler] btw 136 turns is GUARANTEED a time clause with only one pokemon. i'll start doing calcs for curse/calm mind set. also it's not that they dont have any counters, but they have few and half off them are being looked at for BL also. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 iron def / amnesia / rest / toxic. thats 16/16/24/32 pp. rest=4 turns per one rest pp, so thats 136 turns off stall. literally nothing but perish trappers and a few set up pokes can break this. if you bring a cb poke slowking will laugh252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 94-112 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery [spoiler]pokes that can actually break thisSD zangoose (cb loses)+6 252 Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 67-79 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 11.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery+6 252+ Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 73-87 (36.1 - 43%) -- 96.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recoverySD absol (however if slowking iron defs on the switch in, it can toxic absol then switch out. round 2 absol wont be able to come in and break slowking. while absol user can use heal bell/aroma, once slowking set up a few iron defs, it can toxic absol any time it comes in and just stall until absol dies or switches out to heal bell/aroma user. ofc toxic has more pp then bell/aroma)+6 252 Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 114-136 (56.4 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery+6 252+ Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 124-148 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recoverySD crawdaunt but not CB/DD. in same situation as absolSD shiftry but not CB. in same situatoin as absol/cradauntSD breloom can beat it, but not before it dies to toxic unless good luck with spore sleep times.+6 252+ Atk Breloom ThunderPunch vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftoversrecovery and the obvious perish trapper beats it too. [/spoiler] btw 136 turns is GUARANTEED a time clause with only one pokemon. i'll start doing calcs for curse/calm mind set. also it's not that they dont have any counters, but they have few and half off them are being looked at for BL also. That is insane, ugly way to play but insane at the end, no one should play like that but maybe we have to be ready for someone playing with this moveset Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 iron def / amnesia / rest / toxic. thats 16/16/24/32 pp. rest=4 turns per one rest pp, so thats 136 turns off stall. literally nothing but perish trappers and a few set up pokes can break this. if you bring a cb poke slowking will laugh 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 94-112 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery [spoiler] pokes that can actually break this SD zangoose (cb loses) +6 252 Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 67-79 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 11.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +6 252+ Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 73-87 (36.1 - 43%) -- 96.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery SD absol (however if slowking iron defs on the switch in, it can toxic absol then switch out. round 2 absol wont be able to come in and break slowking. while absol user can use heal bell/aroma, once slowking set up a few iron defs, it can toxic absol any time it comes in and just stall until absol dies or switches out to heal bell/aroma user. ofc toxic has more pp then bell/aroma) +6 252 Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 114-136 (56.4 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +6 252+ Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 124-148 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery SD crawdaunt but not CB/DD. in same situation as absol SD shiftry but not CB. in same situatoin as absol/cradaunt SD breloom can beat it, but not before it dies to toxic unless good luck with spore sleep times. +6 252+ Atk Breloom ThunderPunch vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and the obvious perish trapper beats it too. [/spoiler] btw 136 turns is GUARANTEED a time clause with only one pokemon. i'll start doing calcs for curse/calm mind set. also it's not that they dont have any counters, but they have few and half off them are being looked at for BL also. That staller set is so ugly, please Fred. Link to comment
ShucklePwnz Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 iron def / amnesia / rest / toxic. thats 16/16/24/32 pp. rest=4 turns per one rest pp, so thats 136 turns off stall. literally nothing but perish trappers and a few set up pokes can break this. if you bring a cb poke slowking will laugh 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 94-112 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery [spoiler] pokes that can actually break this SD zangoose (cb loses) +6 252 Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 67-79 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 11.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +6 252+ Atk Zangoose Return vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 73-87 (36.1 - 43%) -- 96.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery SD absol (however if slowking iron defs on the switch in, it can toxic absol then switch out. round 2 absol wont be able to come in and break slowking. while absol user can use heal bell/aroma, once slowking set up a few iron defs, it can toxic absol any time it comes in and just stall until absol dies or switches out to heal bell/aroma user. ofc toxic has more pp then bell/aroma) +6 252 Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 114-136 (56.4 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +6 252+ Atk Absol Megahorn vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 124-148 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery SD crawdaunt but not CB/DD. in same situation as absol SD shiftry but not CB. in same situatoin as absol/cradaunt SD breloom can beat it, but not before it dies to toxic unless good luck with spore sleep times. +6 252+ Atk Breloom ThunderPunch vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery and the obvious perish trapper beats it too. [/spoiler] btw 136 turns is GUARANTEED a time clause with only one pokemon. i'll start doing calcs for curse/calm mind set. also it's not that they dont have any counters, but they have few and half off them are being looked at for BL also. Scizor with Swords Dance+Fury Cutter beats that set though, hue. Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Scizor with Swords Dance+Fury Cutter beats that set though, hue. have you ever seen or heard of this ever? DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
ShucklePwnz Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 have you ever seen or heard of this ever? You don't know Vermilion and occasionally some of them go to officials, so watch out kappa. Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yea too bad Fury Cutter at +6 is still extremely bad Link to comment
Robofiend Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Do you even play the game, ever? If I had a nickel... What UU do you watch? I subscribe to Bestfriends on youtube ;_; No need to be vitriolic, just seems like we have different perspectives on this RysPicz and DrCraig 2 Link to comment
Shaniqualela Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yea too bad Fury Cutter at +6 is still extremely bad Not after 5 turns Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Right now I'm seeing: Arguments to move it to BL with reasoning Arguments to keep it UU with no reasoning Slowking's CM set can easily set up on a majority of the pokemon which it stops due to its great defensive stats and typing. Once a Slowking gets going it is tough to stop. The tier really does not have much for Surf/Psychic spam with Calm Minds, but UU is also abundant with toxic users. Slack off is clearly the superior HP recovery move, but exposes it to toxic. However, it is also abundant with clerics. I don't consider toxic as completely reliable for taking down King anyway, it is only a status move. It rather forces it out. I'm on the edge with determining whether it meets the criteria to be moved up and for what reason. I realize it is an important counter/check to a few powerhouses which possibly result more bans, but that is irrelevant. I want to see more solid discussion with less posts about surskit (what kind of fgt would post that). Archinix, fredrichnietze and OrangeManiac 3 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) He doesn't cooperate, but here is his opinion/facts on Slowking's lack of ability to easily switch in on the top used pokemon. Edited March 26, 2015 by DrCraig Link to comment
OldKeith Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I agree with the zebra. Sure, once poisoned, we can argue that a cleric will heal it. But, at the same time, the attacking player has an obligation to put pressure on the cleric, otherwise he will be punished. Edited March 26, 2015 by OldKeith Link to comment
Archinix Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Art asked for my opinion on this the other day and I was kinda vague so I'll provide a better responce now (sorry Art ;- ;) Lets have a go: It has access to instant recovery. It has access to Calm Mind For the Special Bulk and extra power. (Or Amnesia if you prefer) It has 202 HP / 145 Def+ stats as Bold Lv 50. Resists the popular Hitmonlees Blaze Kick & Mach/Superpower How do you take it down? Toxic. Which encourages a playstyle of stall. Calc time? Why not: These are the only things that come to mind that resist both stabs Cacturne (LF Water Absorb pls) Sharpedo Crawdaunt (I honestly have no idea what Cacturne runs for attacker, so lets go with Adamant for the sake of this) 252+ Atk Cacturne Faint Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 86-104 (42.5 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Cacturne: 39-47 (26.8 - 32.4%) -- 52% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery Cacturne cannot consistently come in on Slowking, unless predicting the Psychic. 252+ Atk Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 116-140 (57.4 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Adamant Endure/Dbond set) 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 54-63 (36.9 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO or Jolly CB 252 Atk Choice Band Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 162-192 (80.1 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Crawdaunt 252 Atk Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 108-128 (53.4 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 42-51 (30.2 - 36.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery Yes these will beat Slowking in 1v1, but cannot, continiously come in on a Surf as these are extremely frail. Absols Pursuit on the switch 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 186-222 (92 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO There's also CB Sneasel: 252 Atk Choice Band Sneasel Faint Attack vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 104-126 (51.4 - 62.3%) -- 97.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery but, still can't come in on switch. Let's see on some SE Special (rip physical bug) 252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Still no kill. And rip Pika: 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pikachu: 108-127 (98.1 - 115.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pikachu: 102-121 (92.7 - 110%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 114-134 (56.4 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pikachu: 160-190 (145.4 - 172.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pikachu: 153-180 (139 - 163.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Manectric time! 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 132-156 (65.3 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Manectric: 79-94 (54.4 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 86-104 (42.5 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Manectric: 118-141 (81.3 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery How's Electabuzz do I wonder: 252 SpA Electabuzz Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 122-146 (60.3 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Electabuzz: 61-73 (43.8 - 52.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Electabuzz: 93-109 (66.9 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Electabuzz Thunderbolt vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 84-98 (41.5 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery After Slowking reaches +1, it will pretty much beat all the special attacking threats with a stab SE. I might do more calcs later but I'm gettin hungry EDIT: Just saw Craigs post with Zebra, will check this all out soon. Edited March 26, 2015 by Archinix Robofiend and DrCraig 2 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) tfw i blinked and this turned into a "[discussion] viability of fury cutter" thread. promised and only a little late calcs on cm slowking. curse calcs coming to theaters near you soon(tm) [spoiler] now im going to calc with calmin + slak or rest + ice beam/signal beam/surf/psychic/flamethrower. i do however realize that cm slowking only has 4 moves. i will post calcs of each move vs each possible check/counter so everyone can see what moves are required to beat what pokemon. slowking bold 252 hp 252 def 6 spdef @leftovers crauwdant adamant max att invest 4 hp 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 42-51 (30.2 - 36.6%) -- 55.1% chance to 3HKO 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 28-34 (20.1 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 90-108 (64.7 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 28-34 (20.1 - 24.4%) -- guaranteed 5HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 64-76 (46 - 54.6%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 43-51 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 60.3% chance to 3HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 136-162 (97.8 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 43-51 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 60.3% chance to 3HKO 252 hp 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 42-51 (24.7 - 30%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 28-34 (16.4 - 20%) -- possible 5HKO 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 90-108 (52.9 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 28-34 (16.4 - 20%) -- possible 5HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 64-76 (37.6 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 43-51 (25.2 - 30%) -- guaranteed 4HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 136-162 (80 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crawdaunt: 43-51 (25.2 - 30%) -- guaranteed 4HKO ofc psychic does nothing no + 252+ Atk Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 116-140 (57.4 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery CB/DD +1 252+ Atk Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 176-210 (87.1 - 103.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO SD +2 252+ Atk Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 236-278 (116.8 - 137.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO sharpedo 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 54-63 (36.9 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 36-42 (24.6 - 28.7%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 36-42 (24.6 - 28.7%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 114-136 (78 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 80-95 (54.7 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 53-63 (36.3 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 53-63 (36.3 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Sharpedo: 170-202 (116.4 - 138.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO ofc psychic does nothing no cb neutral nat 252 Atk Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 108-128 (53.4 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery no cb adamant 252+ Atk Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 116-140 (57.4 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery cb neutral nat 252 Atk Choice Band Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 162-192 (80.1 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery CB adamant 252+ Atk Choice Band Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 176-210 (87.1 - 103.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO shiftry 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 40-48 (24 - 28.9%) -- 98.6% chance to 4HKO 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 108-128 (65 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 108-128 (65 - 77.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 172-204 (103.6 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 60-72 (36.1 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 162-192 (97.5 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 162-192 (97.5 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Shiftry: 256-304 (154.2 - 183.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO ofc psychic does nothing neutral nat no cb/sd 252 Atk Shiftry Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 108-128 (53.4 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery adamant no cb/sd 252+ Atk Shiftry Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 116-140 (57.4 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery cb neutral nat 252 Atk Choice Band Shiftry Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 162-192 (80.1 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery cb adamant 252+ Atk Choice Band Shiftry Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 176-210 (87.1 - 103.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO SD neutral nat +2 252 Atk Shiftry Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 216-254 (106.9 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO absol 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 81-96 (57.4 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 54-64 (38.2 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 54-64 (38.2 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 86-102 (60.9 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 121-144 (85.8 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 81-96 (57.4 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 81-96 (57.4 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Absol: 128-152 (90.7 - 107.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO ofc psychic does nothing neutral nat 252 Atk Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 114-136 (56.4 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery adamant 252+ Atk Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 124-148 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery neutral nat cb 252 Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 170-202 (84.1 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO adamant cb 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 188-222 (93 - 109.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO SD neutral nat +2 252 Atk Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 226-268 (111.8 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO SD adamant +2 252+ Atk Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 248-294 (122.7 - 145.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO at this point im calc'ing the stuff zebra mentioned steelix 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Steelix: 152-182 (83.5 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO same speed stat so that aint going over well kangaskhan 252+ Atk Choice Band Kangaskhan ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 94-112 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Choice Band Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 102-120 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhan: 66-78 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhan: 97-115 (53.5 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO if you are running max speed/att cb khan you will have a 20%~ chance at loosing blastoise legit counter unless king runs rest as blast cant really hurt it much except through toxic vileplume 0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 80-96 (39.6 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. +1 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 54-66 (26.7 - 32.6%) -- 47.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery set up bait porygon 252+ SpA Porygon Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 82-98 (40.5 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Porygon Thunderbolt vs. +1 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 56-66 (27.7 - 32.6%) -- 75.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery more set up bait houndoom 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Houndoom: 132-156 (87.4 - 103.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Houndoom Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 146-174 (72.2 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery clefable what is i run rest? lanturn 252+ SpA Lanturn Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 116-138 (57.4 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Lanturn Thunderbolt vs. +1 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 78-92 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery kek gligar 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gligar: 152-182 (88.3 - 105.8%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO slowking(we tried this zebra remeber? we got time claused) scizor 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 66-78 (37.2 - 44%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Scizor: 176-208 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO hitmonlee 252 Atk Choice Band Hitmonlee Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 68-80 (33.6 - 39.6%) -- 24.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery manetric 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 132-156 (65.3 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. +1 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 86-104 (42.5 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery altaria what if i run rest? or ice beam? exeggutor 252+ SpA Exeggutor Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 126-150 (62.3 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Exeggutor Giga Drain vs. +1 252 HP / 6 SpD Slowking: 84-102 (41.5 - 50.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery also sig beam looks like a REALLY good option to stop darks so if you come up against a sig beam cm slowking then rip swellow 252 Atk Choice Band Swellow Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 82-97 (40.5 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery uhuh umbreon >_> we did this remeber? breloom 252 Atk Breloom ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 72-86 (35.6 - 42.5%) -- 92.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Breloom ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ Atk Choice Band Breloom ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 118-140 (58.4 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Breloom: 152-182 (111.7 - 133.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO k shuckle >_> quagsire >_> kingler kingler needs jolly 212 speed to hit 134 and outspeed the whole meta but ninjask/trode after salac. so 252 Atk Kingler Flail (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 95-112 (47 - 55.4%) -- 73.4% chance to 2HKO 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 44 HP / 0 SpD Kingler: 87-103 (63.9 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 44 HP / 0 SpD Kingler: 130-154 (95.5 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO either it switches in on a attack and dies or on cm and endures then dies. it cant get the SD up. SD/cb set has same problem azumaril assuming max att azu, 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 105-124 (51.9 - 61.3%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (105, 106, 107, 109, 110, 111, 112, 114, 115, 116, 117, 119, 120, 121, 122, 124) 105-124 damage means 35-41 in recoil. leftovers + slak heals nearly all of that if not all. all slowking has to do is keep slaking off and let azu kill itself with recoil. zangoose 0 SpA Slowking Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zangoose: 81-96 (54.3 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 Atk Zangoose Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 133-157 (65.8 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery is 2hko'd and needs set up to 2hko back haunter 252 SpA Haunter Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowking: 116-138 (57.4 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Haunter Shadow Ball vs. +1 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowking: 78-92 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Haunter: 246-290 (203.3 - 239.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO no set beats slowking except taunt + d bond and suicide=/=counter. hariyama 252+ Atk Choice Band Hariyama ThunderPunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowking: 112-132 (55.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Hariyama: 110-132 (50.2 - 60.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO shit library closing will finish at home tomorrow i did some more but had client issues that took forever to fix. [/spoiler] Edited March 26, 2015 by fredrichnietze Robofiend and Archinix 2 Link to comment
Archinix Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 ok fine fred can deal with Zebras points, saves me time lel fred don't bother with curse, it's just plain bad and you know it :P OldKeith and DrCraig 2 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 ok fine fred can deal with Zebras points, saves me time lel fred don't bother with curse, it's just plain bad and you know it :P no u also back and editing now Link to comment
karimologia Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Encore and pray for not being hitted by ice beam... 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Jumpluff: 316-372 (89.2 - 105%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Encore and pray for not being hitted by ice beam... 0 SpA Slowking Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Jumpluff: 316-372 (89.2 - 105%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue32/checks-and-counters DrCraig 1 Link to comment
karimologia Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue32/checks-and-counters Just sayin'... Too bad I'm too lazy to read, but maybe I get the point. In that case Politoed: Outspeed Slowking Surf does nothing Encore then toxic/hp grass/bug/electric/dark, if calm mind-> CB Absol/Sharpedo 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Politoed: 51-61 (25.8 - 30.9%) -- 7.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Politoed: 48-57 (24.3 - 28.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Politoed: 70-84 (35.5 - 42.6%) -- 91.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 SpA Slowking Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Politoed: 76-91 (38.5 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Politoed: 27-32 (13.7 - 16.2%) -- possibly the worst move ever 0 SpA Slowking Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Politoed: 29-35 (14.7 - 17.7%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Slowking: 58-70 (28.7 - 34.6%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Slowking: 54-64 (26.7 - 31.6%) -- 29% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery #BanSlowking ----------- Fi-Fi-Fixed, sorry I messed up... Edited March 26, 2015 by karimologia fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Just sayin'... Too bad I'm too lazy to read, but maybe I get the point. In that case Politoed: Outspeed Slowking Surf does nothing Encore then toxic/hp grass/bug/electric/dark 0 SpA Slowbro Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Politoed: 88-105 (22.9 - 27.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Slowbro Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Politoed: 50-59 (13 - 15.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever 252 SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowbro: 144-170 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252 SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowbro: 96-114 (24.3 - 28.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowbro: 158-186 (40.1 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowbro: 106-126 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- 41.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery #BanSlowking thats a good counter. the article is worth a read when you have the time. i have read it at least half a dozen times so far. still #banslowking karimologia 1 Link to comment
Shaniqualela Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 why did you use slowbro calcs for slowking? Not that it makes a difference, but yeah encore politoed is a nice counter to it karimologia and fredrichnietze 2 Link to comment
londark Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) why did you use slowbro calcs for slowking? Not that it makes a difference, but yeah encore politoed is a nice counter to it It makes difference...Bro has 80 Base Sp.Def against 110 of Slowking 252 SpA Politoed Hidden Power Electric vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Slowking: 112-132 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 95.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery Level 100 cause reasons Altho in themdnd Encore politoed works Edited March 26, 2015 by londark Link to comment
YagamiNoir Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Bulky Misdreavus can probably pit off against Slowking pretty well be it either Curse or Calm Mind, given it can Taunt it, Pain Split it for recovery, Toxic it if it decides to have it, or wear it down with Super Effective Shadow Ball if it has nothing else to do, as much as it doesn't do too much. That it also gets Perish Song to stop it from getting too far on things. I'd also say that Misdreavus also shuts down most of Slowking's synergetic clerics that are listed, such as against Chansey and Vileplume. 0 +1 Slowking Surf vs. 252/252+ Misdreavus: 66-78 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Misdreavus Shadow Ball vs. +1 Slowking: 51-60 (25.2 - 29.7%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery I suppose Absol's frail, but it still fares pretty good, and if necessary, can Taunt it, and debate it into either dying on the spot to Megahorn or switching out and dying due to Pursuit. Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. 252/252+ Slowking: 188-222 (93 - 109.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO Choice Band Absol Pursuit on switch out vs. 252/252+ Slowking: 188-222 (93 - 109.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO 0 +1 Slowking Surf vs. 4/0 Absol: 122-144 (86.5 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO Taunt Hypno with Toxic also seems satisfactory. Stops it's recovery and boosts, healing with Wish if necessary, and taking it's hits comfortably. Umbreon can probably do the same thing but better, so I'll only calc Hypno. +1 Slowking Surf vs. 252/92+ Hypno: 61-72 (31.7 - 37.5%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Depending on what move it has for coverage, doesn't Quagsire seem ideal for walling Surf/Flamethrower or Fire Blast variants? Not that it takes a boost Psychic comfortably, but you get the picture. Unlike other Water types that resist this combo, it can actually deal damage back but setting up Curse and hammering with Earthquake I suppose. It can Haze too, but I suppose that's not too relevant. I'm not really convinced it's banworthy, but I guess we'll see. Edited March 26, 2015 by YagamiNoir Link to comment
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