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    OU Tier Discussion Request Thread

    in Competition Archive

    Posted · Edited by pachima

    5 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

    Was making a thread to discuss the ubers, but then realized they're all still broken as fuck. Was leaning towards testing Salamence, but 135 base Attack stat is just too much for the tier with CB Dragon Claw spam. We can already see how powerful Dragon Claw can be on Flygon, which has an base Attack stat of 100, 35 less than Salamence. Mence, like Flygon, can also dispatch its primary counters with Fire Blast or EQ. Milotic adds an element of "maybe", but I don't think the community wants to rely on Milotic as a safe counter/check.

    Where are slowbros and porygon2? 

    Hey, it has more counters than snorlax

    Reset Shiny rate

    in Trash

    Posted

    Everyone knows shiny rate is not the same for everyone. While in some circunstances it can be logic, in others is absurd.

    I myself have met over 50k pokemons and no shiny. With this Im not even bothering to waste 1m for a month of donator.

    If we could somehow have a yeard reset or something like that would be nice.

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

     

    It beats Chansey much more reliably than it beats snorlax though. It can come in on any of its moves, it can kill under pretty much any circumstance except sub which again just means trying again later with EQ. Where as it can't come in on most of snorlax's moves, and it can't even reliably ohko. 

     

    The point is, in a meta where chansey exists without snorlax, trapinch becomes much more viable. As is, Snorlax appears on most teams and has a lot of better ways to be dealt with than trapinch, so those alternatives are used much more often. If chansey were around without snorlax, and like you said Trapinch beats most chansey, it'll go up in usage. That's the whole point, trapinch usage will go up, which was the entire point of the last page because you said:

    I didnt start this whole chansey /trapinch stuff and I dont want to proceed it either.

    Back to the topic and really summed.

    Either keep snorlax and give us some tool to handle it better or ban it.

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    13 minutes ago, Rigamorty said:

    except with sub, once the trapinch player sees sub he can just switch out and try again next time using earthquake. 

     

    lol especially if you're EVing chansey's sp.def instead of defense

     

    252+ Atk Choice Band Trapinch Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Chansey: 520-613 (145.6 - 171.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Choice Band Trapinch Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 228-268 (63.8 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

     

    although I guess def + sp.def is a thing instead of HP + Defense, but yeah, bulk is pretty precious 

    If you think about hp + def, I´m done!

    And honestly I don´t know why I am having this conversation.

    Trapinch beats most chansey. Period, But also beats most snorlax on quite a lot of circunstances.

    Nothing else to say.

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Rigamorty said:

    you cant argue double switches as a point and then try to say chansey 2hkoing with ice beam is also a point in the same post cmon man

    Hold ur horses. I just finished what spaintakula said about ice beam.

    With subs even in a double switch trapinch cant kill chansey barring a crit.

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted · Edited by pachima

    7 minutes ago, Spaintakula said:

    seeing how with a certain set, snorlax can easily avoid getting killed, while chansey just gets straight out shut down.

    First- Most snorlaxes are not that physically defensive invested.

    Second- Spikes exist.

    Third- 20 hp snorlax becomes too useful with his negative speed stat (Unless you plan on switching it into banded protect stuff and rest)

    Fourth- I also see how with a certain set chansey does not fall to trapinch.

    Last:

    Increasing usage doesn´t mean it wasn´t there before

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

    The goal of tiering is to limit the number of bans while maintaining competitiveness. I might suggest taking a long hard look at Blissey, Gengar, and Mence now that Snorlax has found its place in our OU. 

     

    Dnite I'm on the fence with. That boy is just a wall breaking menace with superpower/espeed.

    Nah, As stated, blissey with chansey completely ruins special side of the game which is awful. Gengar is the pure definition of unhealthiness. Dnite is just a slower but better stallbreaking dragon, which is probably too much. Salamence I srsly cant see why its banned now that lax isnt.

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Murcielago said:

     Chancey usage will skyrocket then will trapinch. 

    This is wrong at so many different levels.

    Snorlax is one of the reasons why trapinch is used.

    Full speed trapinch outspeeds and traps snorlax for a clean OHKO.

    If you say trapinch cant come in, I see clearly how wall dedicated you are.

    Wall cores are literally brainless play. U use the wall appropriate for the scenario.(I´m not saying its bad, because it isnt)

    With offensive game, u should and must predict most of stuff throw at you so You dont lose a pokemon too early.

    This was to state that double switching to trapping snorlax isnt that hard at all.

    If anything, snorlax should just increase trapinch´s usage.

     

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted · Edited by pachima

    8 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

    If the thread remains open, then I suggest finding a good argument outside of just whining about the decision. 

     

    Maybe we should consider bringing mence back down, but the comparison between snorlax and salamence just does not hold. Mence IS an offensive uber. Snorlax is borderline unhealthy. As gunt argued we should compare Snorlax to Blissey if we hope to establish a solid argument to get it banned. 

     

    Although, with lax back why is bliss still banned?

    First, you are right, sala and snorlax are completely different mons. It´s just how about the tier handles those two that makes the comparison between them this similar. 

    Second, keeping snorlax on OU is a double edged sword. With this I mean that while snorlax itself is not the monster I probably let you think (It´s not). The problem, as stated above, is how the tier handles it. If something else is implemented on the game to balance this offensive/defensive tier snorlax is pressuring towards, or even the demote of a uber pokemon, I don´t mind at all snorlax being OU. 

    All in all, My hate towards snorlax might have distorted a bit my words in earlier posts (Sry of thats the case). But probably would be highly beneficial for the meta if something else was given to us to handle lax a bit better. Forcing ppl to give up on certain strategies just becaus one pokemone, it its kinda bad imo.

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted · Edited by pachima

    26 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

    Kanga is test banned to assess whether it is broken or not. It could literally be brought back tomorrow. 

     

    You know how snorlax can sweep an unprepared team with curse? Mence can sweep almost every team with DD or even just a CB.

     

    Snorlax is fat.

    If the guy doesnt use slowbro, if porygon2 doesnt shake is nose towards mence, If milotic doesn´t exist, If garde doesnt says Hi and if scarf is unusable, yes, Mence can sweep every team with dd or a CB. The difference between that and lax is that lax has more opportunites to switch-in. 

    Note I´m not saying mence should be OU. No, Im just stating snorlax is as banworthy as mence is. Both have few checks. Both can sweep. Both have huge versatility. What I just seem to notice is that pokemmo´s mentality consists in removing every offensive pokemon able to sweep after a set up. (Even zangoose is wanted by some players to be banned)

    Edit:

    Lastly, even if its not banned. I support @gbwead by not closing this thread. 

    People have been saying tier has been more versatile now. Honestly, I see more versatility on snorlax sets, aside from that, versatility consists in the same mons over and over again in OU. Not fun anymore.

     

    [OU Discussion] Snorlax [Test banned]

    in Competition Archive

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

    Again close this thread. A decision was made. Time to live with it. 

    If someone gives me a couple of valid reasons why was kanga banned and snorlax wasnt, and how is salamence uberwise and snorlax isnt. If someone explain me why snorlax wasnt banned and those pokemons were, I will happily forget this matter and pass on.

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