Full box trading

[Poratne]

The past few weeks, even months I've noticed an increase in scams regarding Ditto boxes. 
I've also been scammed a couple of times now, but a few days ago this was the reply given to me. 

The same reply has been given to many of my friends, teammates and others. 

Where as I try to understand where they're coming from as SGM+ etc. and that these types of reports take up a lot of time for them. I feel like for long-term the "Pay X amount for 5 dittos" is very inconvenient and wont get rid of all scams regarding these type of transactions, cause majority will still pay full price upfront. 

Refusing to restore money that has been scammed in the future too will make people not want to report them anymore, cause whats the gain of them reporting if they wont get their money back. It's a give and take situation.

I can see these type of scams being resolved by adding a feature where we can trade FULL boxes only for X amount of $. 
 

[Poratne]

8 hours ago, enzo172014 said:

Majority including me will also want ditto box trading feature. Who does not want an easier way to trade Dittos. Of course everyone will want that.

 

My main point here is, why would you say the "pay $x per trade" is not solving the issue? If you use this method, you will NEVER be scammed because the trade will not happen unless you are checking the trade details (w/c definitely is your fault). Thus, resolving the ditto scam issue.

 

1 out of 50 will do the pay per trade option? I don't think so. But if your numbers (WITHOUT BASIS) is correct, it is the fault of the 49 people's fault they were scammed. It is not the dev's fault if the players cannot or refuse to follow a simple rule.

 

Lastly, it does not harm the community if they don't restore the scammed money. I think, it will make the community better because the community will be more resilient to correct and just suggestions they are providing. You can argue here that the dev's are not always correct but they are correct this time.

Brother, there isn't a single rule that states how u should buy dittos properly, they know how big the shiny hunting community has become over the years, and in general the shiny hunting community that have been doing this for quite some time barely complained about anything.

Does their suggestion resolve the issue? Somewhat yes, but for the long run its better to have a feature like this, to not rely on players following their (unwritten) rule and avoid getting scammed, in a more convenient way. They need to understand that PokeMMO is growing as a playerbase and as such, this method is becoming quite outdated. 

And that it doesn't harm the community either? Is quite laughable, u probably haven't played PokeMMO long enough to see how the community reacts to being denied something like that, especially when the whole game revolves around economy. 

There's literally more positive points on why they should add a feature like this instead of not.

Idk where u think anybody disagreed with that it doesnt solve the issue btw, no one said anything about it but, they rather thought that the ticket reply isn't how they should handle these kinds of situations, and are dissatisfied that they put all blame on the ditto buyer when it comes to it.
You know... the main reason as to why I also made this suggestion & to counter their argument with solid points, especially those from other players and hopefully make their voices be heard too.

Edited January 26 by Poratne

[enzo172014]

9 hours ago, Poratne said:

Brother, there isn't a single rule that states how u should buy dittos properly, they know how big the shiny hunting community has become over the years, and in general the shiny hunting community that have been doing this for quite some time barely complained about anything.

Does their suggestion resolve the issue? Somewhat yes, but for the long run its better to have a feature like this, to not rely on players following their (unwritten) rule and avoid getting scammed, in a more convenient way. They need to understand that PokeMMO is growing as a playerbase and as such, this method is becoming quite outdated. 

And that it doesn't harm the community either? Is quite laughable, u probably haven't played PokeMMO long enough to see how the community reacts to being denied something like that, especially when the whole game revolves around economy. 

There's literally more positive points on why they should add a feature like this instead of not.

Idk where u think anybody disagreed with that it doesnt solve the issue btw, no one said anything about it but, they rather thought that the ticket reply isn't how they should handle these kinds of situations, and are dissatisfied that they put all blame on the ditto buyer when it comes to it.
You know... the main reason as to why I also made this suggestion & to counter their argument with solid points, especially those from other players and hopefully make their voices be heard too.

Brother, there isn't a single rule that states how u should buy dittos properly, they know how big the shiny hunting community has become over the years, and in general the shiny hunting community that have been doing this for quite some time barely complained about anything.

 

 - They just created the rule as per your post. I am not sure if this should be written somewhere else. Maybe ask them to write it somewhere else instead of throwing tantrums like a spoiled brat.

 

Does their suggestion resolve the issue? Somewhat yes, but for the long run its better to have a feature like this, to not rely on players following their (unwritten) rule and avoid getting scammed, in a more convenient way. They need to understand that PokeMMO is growing as a playerbase and as such, this method is becoming quite outdated. 

 

 - IT RESOLVES THE ISSUE 100% if 100% of the traders can follow the SIMPLE RULE they have set. Don't dismiss a working method because you have thought of something better. That is very immature.

 

And that it doesn't harm the community either? Is quite laughable, u probably haven't played PokeMMO long enough to see how the community reacts to being denied something like that, especially when the whole game revolves around economy.  

 

 - Like children throwing tantrums when they don't get what they want? Do you think they can add a feature done within 2 days?

 

There's literally more positive points on why they should add a feature like this instead of not.

 

 Again, I didn't say the idea is bad. I said I WOULD WANT IT AS WELL. My point is that you should not dismiss the working "rule" set by mod's.

 

Idk where u think anybody disagreed with that it doesnt solve the issue btw,
 

Your reply to me said "it does not solve the issue because 1/50 will follow it." 

no one said anything about it but, they rather thought that the ticket reply isn't how they should handle these kinds of situations, and are dissatisfied that they put all blame on the ditto buyer when it comes to it.

 

I would agree that the reply was somewhat worded poorly. This is what they must have meant to say.  Here is a more poorly worded reply that is easily understood.

 

"IF you are scammed again, it will be your negligence already because they have provided you with a more secure way of trading. Since you didn't follow a simple rule, it is already your fault."

[Poratne]

3 hours ago, enzo172014 said:

Brother, there isn't a single rule that states how u should buy dittos properly, they know how big the shiny hunting community has become over the years, and in general the shiny hunting community that have been doing this for quite some time barely complained about anything.

 

 - They just created the rule as per your post. I am not sure if this should be written somewhere else. Maybe ask them to write it somewhere else instead of throwing tantrums like a spoiled brat.

 

Does their suggestion resolve the issue? Somewhat yes, but for the long run its better to have a feature like this, to not rely on players following their (unwritten) rule and avoid getting scammed, in a more convenient way. They need to understand that PokeMMO is growing as a playerbase and as such, this method is becoming quite outdated. 

 

 - IT RESOLVES THE ISSUE 100% if 100% of the traders can follow the SIMPLE RULE they have set. Don't dismiss a working method because you have thought of something better. That is very immature.

 

And that it doesn't harm the community either? Is quite laughable, u probably haven't played PokeMMO long enough to see how the community reacts to being denied something like that, especially when the whole game revolves around economy.  

 

 - Like children throwing tantrums when they don't get what they want? Do you think they can add a feature done within 2 days?

 

There's literally more positive points on why they should add a feature like this instead of not.

 

 Again, I didn't say the idea is bad. I said I WOULD WANT IT AS WELL. My point is that you should not dismiss the working "rule" set by mod's.

 

Idk where u think anybody disagreed with that it doesnt solve the issue btw,
 

Your reply to me said "it does not solve the issue because 1/50 will follow it." 

no one said anything about it but, they rather thought that the ticket reply isn't how they should handle these kinds of situations, and are dissatisfied that they put all blame on the ditto buyer when it comes to it.

 

I would agree that the reply was somewhat worded poorly. This is what they must have meant to say.  Here is a more poorly worded reply that is easily understood.

 

"IF you are scammed again, it will be your negligence already because they have provided you with a more secure way of trading. Since you didn't follow a simple rule, it is already your fault."

Ur literally arguing for the sake of seeking for an argument, no point of trying to convince u that the points the community are making are valid points. 

No one said a feature like this should be added in 2 days, LITERALLY NO ONE, Im saying that this method they're suggesting for the long run wont do anything good, I swear try to read.

I dont know how u literally argue with me when the whole point is that their method isn't foolproof, especially for the community that grows bigger this suggestion would make things 100x better for both staff and the community regarding this. And as such, they don't have to tell people to follow their (unwritten) rule AFTER they got scammed already. The whole point is to prevent scams in the first place of happening, not to lecture people after they got scammed. 

Its not a tantrum we're throwing, its a logical solution to an existing problem.

Edited January 26 by Poratne

[enzo172014]

4 hours ago, Poratne said:

Ur literally arguing for the sake of seeking for an argument, no point of trying to convince u that the points the community are making are valid points. 

No one said a feature like this should be added in 2 days, LITERALLY NO ONE, Im saying that this method they're suggesting for the long run wont do anything good, I swear try to read.

I dont know how u literally argue with me when the whole point is that their method isn't foolproof, especially for the community that grows bigger this suggestion would make things 100x better for both staff and the community regarding this. And as such, they don't have to tell people to follow their (unwritten) rule AFTER they got scammed already. The whole point is to prevent scams in the first place of happening, not to lecture people after they got scammed. 

Its not a tantrum we're throwing, its a logical solution to an existing problem.

1. Trade per 5 ditto. 

2. Confirm that amount of ditto/Yen is correct 

3. Complete trade. 

 

Vs

 

1.Trade x dittos worth of yen on the 1st trade.

2. Pray to God that you are not dealing with a scammer.

 

Which is more secure? Would the first one lessen the scams? Answer honestly please.

 

Here is an analogy.

You purposely drop your toy car 3 feet high and hoped it will still work after that. After dropping it 3x, it broke. You cried to your mom and said you wanted to get a new one. You got your new toy car and your mom told you to stop dropping your car or else it will break again. After getting the new toy car, you still drop it 3 feet. Would you expect your mom to buy you another if it breaks again?

You can't throw a tantrum because you refuse to follow a completely valid suggestion. 

 

"Again, I didn't say the idea is bad. I said I WOULD WANT IT AS WELL. My point is that you should not dismiss the working "rule" set by mod's."

 

I Am not sure how if I can make this a blinking text so you understand that I am not saying that your suggestion is wrong. 

 

Edited January 26 by enzo172014

[Poratne]

1 hour ago, enzo172014 said:

1. Trade per 5 ditto. 

2. Confirm that amount of ditto/Yen is correct 

3. Complete trade. 

 

Vs

 

1.Trade x dittos worth of yen on the 1st trade.

2. Pray to God that you are not dealing with a scammer.

 

Which is more secure? Would the first one lessen the scams? Answer honestly please.

 

Here is an analogy.

You purposely drop your toy car 3 feet high and hoped it will still work after that. After dropping it 3x, it broke. You cried to your mom and said you wanted to get a new one. You got your new toy car and your mom told you to stop dropping your car or else it will break again. After getting the new toy car, you still drop it 3 feet. Would you expect your mom to buy you another if it breaks again?

You can't throw a tantrum because you refuse to follow a completely valid suggestion. 

 

"Again, I didn't say the idea is bad. I said I WOULD WANT IT AS WELL. My point is that you should not dismiss the working "rule" set by mod's."

 

I Am not sure how if I can make this a blinking text so you understand that I am not saying that your suggestion is wrong. 

 

Literally not throwing a tantrum, if anyone is, its u. Disagreeing and neglecting the same thing I've said over and over and over again unwillingly to listen the other side of the story and not accepting that ur in the wrong.

You cant seem to grasp me saying that yes it helps but not for a long time. Which I already said in my previous statements but okay, reading is hard I know.

No one is dismissing the mods suggestion, its literally you dismissing the whole point of this suggestion and saying it is okay for staff to do the bare minimum for this.
(I do appreciate what they do for the community, dont get me wrong. I just dont see them eye to eye on this matter)

They struggle with tickets regarding Ditto box scams cause of how many they receive and that adding this suggestion would help them majorly, especially so they wont have to rely on the seller or buyer. If they wanna lessen the whole ditto box scam situation they're better off going this way instead of expecting everyone to do as they say. 

To prevent scamming as a whole regarding these kinds of trades, this suggestion is the most effective and healthiest approach.

Stop trying to look smart when its not working. I've debunked your arguments in every post at this moment, just accept that this is the better approach for them to go to in the future. 

Edited January 26 by Poratne

[XanarchyNL]

41 minutes ago, enzo172014 said:

1. Trade per 5 ditto. 

2. Confirm that amount of ditto/Yen is correct 

3. Complete trade. 

 

 

 

Step 2 20 seconds wasted as both players check every thing every trade, its not sustainable

[enzo172014]

20 minutes ago, XanarchyNL said:

Step 2 20 seconds wasted as both players check every thing every trade, its not sustainable

Hahahahahahahaha. 20 seconds? Really? Takes you 20 seconds to read this?

 

"$10,000"

 

Or understand 5 small ditto icons?

[enzo172014]

36 minutes ago, Poratne said:

Literally not throwing a tantrum, if anyone is, its u. Disagreeing and neglecting the same thing I've said over and over and over again unwillingly to listen the other side of the story and not accepting that ur in the wrong.

You cant seem to grasp me saying that yes it helps but not for a long time. Which I already said in my previous statements but okay, reading is hard I know.

No one is dismissing the mods suggestion, its literally you dismissing the whole point of this suggestion and saying it is okay for staff to do the bare minimum for this.
(I do appreciate what they do for the community, dont get me wrong. I just dont see them eye to eye on this matter)

They struggle with tickets regarding Ditto box scams cause of how many they receive and that adding this suggestion would help them majorly, especially so they wont have to rely on the seller or buyer. If they wanna lessen the whole ditto box scam situation they're better off going this way instead of expecting everyone to do as they say. 

To prevent scamming as a whole regarding these kinds of trades, this suggestion is the most effective and healthiest approach.

Stop trying to look smart when its not working. I've debunked your arguments in every post at this moment, just accept that this is the better approach for them to go to in the future. 

Debunked how? By saying everyone in your post wanted your suggestion? I like them as well don't worry. 

 

You can't even answer if what you have been doing is better than what the mods suggested. 

 

Nobody is dismissing what the mods suggested? But you said 1/50 will follow it and it will not solve the problem. Yes. I understand.