JSTUD Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I won. GGs http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-240096126 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-240098509 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-240093705 Edited June 12, 2015 by JSTUD DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
TheLordagamer Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Me and ThinkNice battling at Saturda around 12am gmt +2 since we both decided to not play today Edited June 12, 2015 by TheLordagamer Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Me and ThinkNice battling at Saturda around 12am gmt +2 since we both decided to not play today Well, I can play now if you want I just got back. Link to comment
codylramey Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Will my ou match have to be w/o lax n bliss? Link to comment
Frexa Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) AQA told me he could play around 10pm gmt today, but he hasnt been online all day.. Edited June 12, 2015 by Frexa Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Will my ou match have to be w/o lax n bliss? I doubt it, bans that occur during the week are usually enforced the next week Link to comment
JonazDK Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) i am playing frags in a moment or something like that... he needed to sent a mail or something like that... EDIT: 10-15 min from now Edited June 12, 2015 by JonazDK Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Highlights from the Frags v Jonaz match Vorred, Spaintakula, dedegendut and 7 others 10 Link to comment
JonazDK Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 i lost :((( we did else have a really good battle Link to comment
TheLordagamer Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Well, I can play now if you want I just got back.could only play now but that's kinda late edit: im waiting arround 30 minutes or so till I go to sleep Edited June 13, 2015 by TheLordagamer Link to comment
AQA Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 AQA told me he could play around 10pm gmt today, but he hasnt been online all day.. sorry :( but i said friday or saturday Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 could only play now but that's kinda late edit: im waiting arround 30 minutes or so till I go to sleep alright Im in old gens Link to comment
LionKIng Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) ME vs walpayer in 15-20 mins Edited June 13, 2015 by LionKIng Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen3ou-240149411 Link to comment
TheLordagamer Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Holy crap that was a disaster. 2 weeks of preparation with this team never failed and then this. I should sink in the ground Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 somebody stop me http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen3ou-240149411 SPHEALS#1 DrCraig, Frag, Kizhaz and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) I'd suggest a rematch on the Walpayer vs TheFireLion thing. The ruling was made to suggest that Walpayer had the advantage considering a Granbull was still in play with Intimidate against a Kingler that had Shell Armor. Well I don't think that was such a big factor in the match considering Crabhammer was still going to hit something at -1 if Granbull switched in and took the hit. Granbull without recovery would have lost to Kingler in this match-up if it decided to stay in, but we are assuming that Vileplume or Tentacruel would have came back in to take a weakened Crabhammer. I'm assuming Vileplume as sack material. -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Granbull: 106-126 (53.8 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 33-40 (18.1 - 21.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery -2 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Granbull: 81-96 (41.1 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Assuming Vileplume had around 30% health (which was the consensus), Kingler would have won this match-up unless Walpayer swapped back to Granbull a second time. -2 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 25-30 (13.7 - 16.4%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery This play would have effectively forced Walpayer to sack his Granbull while giving Vileplume the opportunity to live a -2 CB Crabhammer after leftovers recovery when it was struck at -1. It would then Giga Drain the Kingler and faint it. Vileplume would have regained approximaly 65 HP back in the process bringing it to about 45% health. Hitmonlee would then come in and proceed to EQ with a Choice Band. 252 Atk Choice Band Hitmonlee Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 64-76 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- 88.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hitmonlee: 40-48 (31.7 - 38%) -- 87.5% chance to 3HKO If the Vileplume play paid off, Hitmonlee would 2HKO after the initial hit and also Giga Drain and Leftovers recovery, losing approximaly 40% health. Tentacruel would then swap in with approximately 35% health. It would be unable to kill the Hitmonlee at ~60% and the Hitmonlee would then faint it with EQ. The win condition for Walpayer would be entirely lost if the Tentacruel happened to be slower, which was likely. 252 Atk Choice Band Hitmonlee Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tentacruel: 228-270 (146.1 - 173%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Tentacruel Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hitmonlee: 55-66 (43.6 - 52.3%) -- 13.7% chance to 2HKO This was the best case scenario for Walpayer. If he chose to bring in Tentacruel on the -1 or -2 Kingler he would have still been OHKO'd by Hitmonlee. He would have also been unable to attack Hitmonlee with Vileplume as it would have been in range of a OHKO with CB EQ at 30%. A Crabhammer miss can be negated as a Critical Hit (increased ratio with Crabhammer) would have been just as likely, and would have given TheFireLion the same advantage as Walpayer would have gained with a miss. So despite TheFireLion being a wimp and hitting the AFK, without a written rule in place and considering the match was decided on an improbable advantage for Walpayer, I think a rematch should happen. Just my thoughts, ThinkNice and Noad the top dogs here. EDIT: It's a bit of a stretch to say Walpayer would have won. He would have needed a bulky Granbull, a perfect +Def Vileplume, and a + Spe Tentacruel to even fit my scenario which still has Lion winning barring a miss. Edited June 13, 2015 by DoubleJ Kanzo and Zorres00 2 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I'd suggest a rematch on the Walpayer vs TheFireLion thing. The ruling was made to suggest that Walpayer had the advantage considering a Granbull was still in play with Intimidate against a Kingler that had Shell Armor. Well I don't think that was such a big factor in the match considering Crabhammer was still going to hit something at -1 if Granbull switched in and took the hit. Granbull without recovery would have lost to Kingler in this match-up if it decided to stay in, but we are assuming that Vileplume or Tentacruel would have came back in to take a weakened Crabhammer. I'm assuming Vileplume as sack material. -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Granbull: 106-126 (53.8 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 33-40 (18.1 - 21.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery -2 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Granbull: 81-96 (41.1 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Assuming Vileplume had around 30% health (which was the consensus), Kingler would have won this match-up unless Walpayer swapped back to Granbull a second time. -2 252+ Atk Choice Band Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 25-30 (13.7 - 16.4%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery This play would have effectively forced Walpayer to sack his Granbull while giving Vileplume the opportunity to live a -2 CB Crabhammer after leftovers recovery when it was struck at -1. It would then Giga Drain the Kingler and faint it. Vileplume would have regained approximaly 65 HP back in the process bringing it to about 45% health. Hitmonlee would then come in and proceed to EQ with a Choice Band. 252 Atk Choice Band Hitmonlee Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 64-76 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- 88.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hitmonlee: 40-48 (31.7 - 38%) -- 87.5% chance to 3HKO If the Vileplume play paid off, Hitmonlee would 2HKO after the initial hit and also Giga Drain and Leftovers recovery, losing approximaly 40% health. Tentacruel would then swap in with approximately 35% health. It would be unable to kill the Hitmonlee at ~60% and the Hitmonlee would then faint it with EQ. The win condition for Walpayer would be entirely lost if the Tentacruel happened to be slower, which was likely. 252 Atk Choice Band Hitmonlee Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tentacruel: 228-270 (146.1 - 173%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Tentacruel Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hitmonlee: 55-66 (43.6 - 52.3%) -- 13.7% chance to 2HKO This was the best case scenario for Walpayer. If he chose to bring in Tentacruel on the -1 or -2 Kingler he would have still been OHKO'd by Hitmonlee. He would have also been unable to attack Hitmonlee with Vileplume as it would have been in range of a OHKO with CB EQ at 30%. A Crabhammer miss can be negated as a Critical Hit (increased ratio with Crabhammer) would have been just as likely, and would have given TheFireLion the same advantage as Walpayer would have gained with a miss. So despite TheFireLion being a wimp and hitting the AFK, without a written rule in place and considering the match was decided on an improbable advantage for Walpayer, I think a rematch should happen. Just my thoughts, ThinkNice and Noad the top dogs here. what if instead of giga draining the -1 or -2 kingler, the plume had synthesis'd up to full? DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 You can hit the AFK button in the PSL? Are you guys fucking squares? Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 I was assuming 40% on Vile being able to take a Chammer and OHKO with Giga. He just shouldnt have hit the AFK button when it came that close. Link to comment
DrCraig Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I was assuming 40% on Vile being able to take a Chammer and OHKO with Giga. He just shouldnt have hit the AFK button when it came that close. Are you even allowed to? That's so fucking lame bro, this isn't an official and everybody mutually hates that rule. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 I was assuming 40% on Vile being able to take a Chammer and OHKO with Giga. He just shouldnt have hit the AFK button when it came that close. No he shouldn't and I totally agree, but that wasn't the ruling on the field unfortunately. Either way you're call, just trying to lay out a likely scenario. what if instead of giga draining the -1 or -2 kingler, the plume had synthesis'd up to full? Vileplume using Synth would have been the best play and I overlooked that. It would then come down to Tentacruel being max speed or not since Hitmonlee probs still beats Vileplume there since it can't PP stall EQ with Synth (unless protect). It also has to attack at some point. Gunthug 1 Link to comment
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