Mnemosyne Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Mnemosyne’s Never Used competitive guideWelcome everyone, In the last couple of months I noticed that the popularity of the NU tier has grown alot, because of this I decided to make a Never Used Competitive Guide. I will try to keep this guide updated with the monthly tier changes due to usage and adjust sets if needed. If anyone has feedback about sets, or has new sets to add, that they would like to share, feel free to reply =). The following pokemons are Never Used pokemons: Aggron Bellosom Camerupt Cacturne Claydol Chimecho Diglett Electabuzz ElectrodeExploudFearow Flareon Gligar Golduck Gorebyss Hitmontop Kabutops Kadabra Kecleon Kingler Magmar MantineMasquerainMawile Metang Muk Octillery Piloswine Pinsir Qwilfish Raichu Roselia Sableye Sandslash Scyther Shiftry Shuckle Solrock Stantler Tangela Tropius Torkoal Victreebell Venomoth Walrein WhiscashXatuAggronHP 70 / Atk 110 / Def 180 / Sp Atk 60 / Sp Def 60 / Speed 50With it’s amazing rock + steel typing, 110 attack stat and sturdy ability, Aggron is one of the most dangerous wallbreakers in the current NU tier, that gives your opponent a lot of pressure. It is a lot of predicting, and it’s best stab move only has 75% accuracy but there are barely pokemons that don’t get 2HKO’d by this monster. Watch out for water and ground moves.Choice BanderItem: Choice Band Nature: Adamant Ability: Sturdy EV’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Iron Tail - Rock Slide - Earthquake - Thunderpunch Best counters: Tangela and WhiscashBellosomHP 75 / Atk 80 / Def 95 / Sp Atk 90 / Sp Def 100 / Speed 50Bellosom is a good defensive wall that has access to synthesis and leech seed for recovery. Being a grass type gives a good answer to water and ground moves. Bellosom is one of the few pokemons that stop Kingler and Whiscash and checks offensive Raichu. Watch out for Victreebells and Roselia that could easily switch in.Defensive wallItem: Leftovers Nature: Bold Ability: Chlorophyll EV’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Giga Drain – Sludge Bomb/HP Ice – Synthesis – Leech Seed/Toxic Cacturne CameruptHP 70 / Atk 100 / Def 70 / Sp Atk 100 / Sp Def 75 / Speed 40Camerupt has pretty poor defensive statt’s but it’s electric immunity, 4 resists and having only 2 weaknesses makes it a decent special defensive wall that can counter Electabuzz and switch in on grass types like Bellosom andTangela. Eruption is it’s strongest stab move that could be used on a offensive set to break walls. Camerupt benefits a lot from a spikes user. Earthquake is mainly for hitting other Camerupts.Special Defensive wallItem: Leftovers Nature: Sassy EV’s: 252 Hp / 252 Sp Def Moveset: Flamethrower - Earthquake – Toxic – RoarEruptionItem: Special Choice band / Swift Choice Band Nature: Mild Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Eruption – Flamethrower – HP Grass – EarthquakeClaydolHP 60 / Atk 70 / 105 Def / 70 Sp Atk / 120 Sp Def / 75 SpeedClaydol is one of the few spinners in the current NU tier. It has impressive defensive stats but pretty poor offensive stats. Has 6 amazing resistances but also 6 weaknesses. Only use it as a spinner. You could also go for the special defensive set as a Raichu + Electabuzz counter if you want to.Defensive Rapid SpinnerItem: Leftovers Nature: Relaxed/Bold Ability: Levitate Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Earthquake/Ice Beam – Psychic – Rapid Spin – Toxic/RestSpecial Defensive Rapid SpinnerItem: Leftovers Nature: Sassy Ability: Levitate Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Sp Def Moveset: Earthquake – Psychic – Rapid Spin – Toxic/RestChimechoHP 75 / Atk 50 / 80 Def / 95 Sp Atk / 90 Sp Def / 65 SpeedThis year Chimecho got a very nice buff in HP, Def and Sp Def which have made Chimecho a decent support pokemon. It has an amazing movepool with moves like: Wish, Heal Bell, Recover, Thunder Wave to support your team. If you go recover in stead of wish, I suggest you to pick Calm Mind fort he second slot.SupportItem: Leftovers Nature: Bold Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Wish/Recover – Protect/Calm Mind – Heal Bell – Psychic DiglettElectabuzzHP 65 / Atk 83 / Def 57 / Sp Atk 95 / Sp Def 85 / Speed 105Electabuzz has one of the highest speed stats in this NU tier. It’s very good stats and amazing movepool makes Electabuzz currently one of the best offensive sweepers.Special sweeperItem: Life Ball Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Thunderbolt – HP Ice/Grass – Psychic – Signal beamMixed offensiveItem: Life Ball Ev’s 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Cross Chop – HP Ice – Psychic – Thunderbolt Best counters: Kecleon (If not Cross Chop) Whiscash (If not HP Grass) Claydol Bellosom Raichu (If not Cross Chop) MukElectrodeHP 60 / Atk 50 / Def 70 / Sp Atk 80 / Sp Def 80 / Speed 150Electrode is the fastest pokemon in the game. The best way to use Electrode is to try and get behind a substitute, then toxic while behind the sub. Even though it’s offensive stat isn’t the best it can still give the opponent a lot of pressure. 108 Speed EV’s gives you 184 speed at level 50. Sub + Toxic Item: Leftovers Nature: Modest Ev’s: 144 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 108 Speed Moveset: Thunderbolt – HP Ice – Toxic – Substitute Best counters: Muk Metang Kecleon RaichuExploudFearowHP 65 / Atk 90 / Def 65 / Sp Atk 61 / Sp Def 61 / Speed 100Fearow is the fastest normal spammer in this Never Used tier. It’s movepool is pretty horrific but it can do the job for you. It has access to a priority stabmove and can pursuit. Choice BanderItem: Choice Band Nature: Jolly Ev’s 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Return/Double Edge – Drill Peck – Quick attack – Pursuit Best counters: Solrock Metang Aggron ShuckleFlareonHP 65 / Atk 130 / Def 60 / Sp Atk 95 / Sp Def 110 / Speed 65Flareon can either be used as a mixed wallbreaker or special defensive support set. Flareon isn’t used that much currently, but it is a good pokemon that should defenitely be used more often. The 220 speed ev’s on the wallbreaker set lets Flareon outspeed max speed Whiscash. Mixed wallbreakerItem: Life Ball/Choice Band Nature: Lonely Ev’s: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Speed Moveset: Superpower / Overheat / Quick Attack/HP Grass / Bite/HP GrassWish SupportItem: Leftovers Nature: Calm Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Sp Def Moveset: Flamethrower – Toxic – Protect – Wish Best counters: Chimecho Solrock Qwilfish ShuckleGligarHP 65 / Atk 75 / Def 105 / Sp Atk 35 / Sp Def 65 / Speed 85Gligar it’s typing makes it immune to Thunderbolt and Earthquake and also resistances to Fighting, Bug and Poison moves. Gligar is as it’s best as a offensive swords dancer or defensive wall. Watch out for ice or water moves. HP Ice is a move that is used a lot on Electabuzz, Electrode and offensive Raichu these days.Offensive Swords Dance:Item: Leftovers Nature: Jolly Ability: Hyper Cutter Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Earthquake – Aerial Ace – Quick Attack – Swords DanceDefensive Wall:Item: Leftovers Nature: Impish Ability: Hyper Cutter Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Earthquake – Aerial Ace – Toxic – CounterGolduckHP 80 / Atk 82 / Def 78 / Sp Atk 95 / Sp Def 80 / Speed 85Golduck has very all-rounded stats and one of the few water pokemons that has access to Psychic. Golduck is a decent offensive calm minder. It’s ability Cloud Nine blocks the effects of weather. Although there are better calm minders in this meta like Xatu. Gets pretty easily walled by Kecleon and Raichu.Offensive Calm MinderItem: Life Ball / Leftovers Nature: Timid Ability: Cloud Nine Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Surf – Ice Beam – Psychic – Calm Mind Best counters: Raichu KecleonGorebyssHP 54 / Atk 84 / Def 105 / Sp Atk 114 / Sp Def 75 / Speed 52The ability Swift Swim makes Gorebyss the best special attacking rain user. Rain Dance boosts your speed and powers up Surf, turning Gorebyss into an offensive powerhouse. Rain Dance SweeperItem: Life Ball Nature: Modest Ability: Swift Swim Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Surf – Ice Beam – HP Grass /HP Electric– Rain Dance Best counters: Raichu MukHitmontopHP 50 / Atk 95 / Def 95 / Sp Atk 35 / Sp Def 110 / Speed 70Even though Hitmontop it’s HP is pretty low, the ability Intimidate and it’s 95 defensive and 110 special defensive makes Hitmontop a very good wall. Having Rapid spin only makes it even better.Rapid SpinnerItem: Leftovers Nature: Impish Ev’s: 252 HP, 252 Def Moveset: Mach Punch/High Jump Kick – Earthquake/Rock Slide – Rock Slide/Toxic – Rapid SpinBulk UpItem: Leftovers/Chesto Berry Nature: Careful Ev’s: 252 HP, 252 Sp Def Moveset: High Jump Kick – Earthquake/Rock Slide – Bulk Up – Rest/Rock Slide/EarthquakeKabutopsHP 60 / Atk 115 / Def 105 / Sp Atk 65 / Sp Def 70 / Speed 80Kabutops can either be used as a rain dance sweeper or choice scarfer. It’s water + rock typing gives it 2 very solid stab moves. The rock typing allows Kabutops to stop normal spam. 118 speed is needed to outspeed everything as a rain dance user. If you already got a rain dancer, defenitely use aerial ace.Rain Dance sweeperItem: Life Ball Nature: Adamant Ev’s: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 142 Speed Moveset: Rain Dance/Aerial Ace – Waterfall – Rock Slide – SuperpowerChoice ScarfItem: Choice Scarf Nature: Jolly Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Speed Moveset: Rock Slide – Waterfall – Superpower – Aerial Ace Best counters: Bellosom Tangela Hitmontop QwilfishKadabraHP 40 / Atk 35 / Def 30 / Sp Atk 120 / Sp Def 70 / Speed 105This thing is a very dangerous sweeper in Never Used. Psychic + Signal Beam is a very strong offensive combination. It can either be used as a calm minder or as a special bander. Just make sure you switch this thing in safely. Also watch out for special defensive Metang that could pursuit trap you.Calm MinderItem: Life Ball Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Psychic – Signal beam/Shadow Ball – HP Fighting/HP Ground – Calm MindSpecial Choice bandItem: Special Choice Band Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Psychic – Signal beam/Shadow Ball – HP Fighting/HP Ground – Trick Best counters: Metang Raichu KecleonKecleonHP 60 / Atk 90 / Def 70 / Sp Atk 60 / Sp Def 120 / Speed 40Having the ability Color Change and an amazing 120 Special Defense stat makes Kecleon one of the best special defensive walls in the game, if not the best. What color change does is it changes the type to the type of the last attack that hit this pokemon. Also has Recover and Thunder Wave. Thunder wave helps crippling fast opposing attackers or slow defensive calm minders like Chimecho and Xatu.Specially Defensive:Item: Leftovers Nature: Careful Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 SP Def Moveset: Seismic Toss – Thief – Recover – Thunder Wave/ToxicKinglerHP 55 / Atk 130 / Def 115 / Sp Atk 50 / Sp Def 50 / Speed 75Another amazing wallbreaker in the tier. Can either be used as a Choice Bander, Swords Dancer or Choice Scarfer. Crabhammer is defenitely something to watch out for. The best counters for this gigantic krab are Tangela and Bellosom. For the Choice Banded and Scarf set I would just pick Swords dance in the last slot because it only has 3 proper moves to use anyway. Choice BandItem: Choice Band Nature: Adamant/Jolly Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Crabhammer – Return – Superpower – Swords Dance (Could use Rock Tomb, but meh)Swords DanceItem: Life Ball Nature: Adamant/Jolly Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Crabhammer – Superpower – Return – Swords DanceFlail + Swords DanceItem: Salac Berry Nature: Jolly Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Crabhammer – Flail – Substitute – Swords Dance Choice ScarfItem: Choice Scarf Nature: Adamant/Jolly Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Crabhammer – Return – Superpower – Swords Dance (Could use Rock Tomb, but meh) Best counters: Tangela Bellosom Edited August 10, 2017 by Mnemosyne GBush, Zehkar, Parke and 7 others 10 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) MagmarHP 65 / Atk 95 / Def 57 / Sp Atk 100 / Sp Def 85 / Speed 93Magmar is a very solid offensive pokemon that should be used as a mixed offensive or belly drummer. On the mixed offensive set I would advise using HP Grass for Whiscash or HP Ice for Gligar.Mixed Offensive Item: Leftovers Nature: Hasty/Mild Ev’s: 252 SP Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Flamethrower/Fire Blast – Cross Chop/Focus Punch – Thunderpunch – HP Grass/IceBelly Drummer Item: Salac Berry Ev’s: 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Belly Drum – Fire Punch – Thunderpunch – Mach Punch Beste counters: Torkoal SolrockMantineHP 85 / Atk 40 / Def 70 / Sp Atk 80 / Sp Def 140 / Speed 70With a blazing 140 stat in Special Defense Mantine can take special attacks, not named Thunderbolt pretty easy. Unfortunately in the current NU tier Electric pokemons like Electabuzz and Raichu are pretty common so make sure you got something for these two pokemons when using Mantine. Mantine it’s Special Defense is already so high that it doesn’t really need more investment. Also Mantine has a pretty bad movepool.Physically Defensive Item: Leftovers Nature: Bold Ability: Water Absorb Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Surf – Air Cutter/HP Fly – Toxic/Sleep Talk/Haze – RestMasquerainHP 70 / Atk 60 / Def 62 / Sp Atk 100 / Sp Def 82 / Speed 80Masquerain got a buf this year in Pokemon where it’s Sp Atk and Speed got a pretty decent raise, which made it viable to use in the NU Tier. Unfortunately it only has 80 base speed, so it gets revenge killed pretty easily by other offensive pokemons unless Choice Scarf. Although 100 Sp Atk is not something to laugh about. It’s offensive movepool though is good. I would recommend using either Choice Specs or Life Ball.Offensive sweeper (Special thanks to @xStarr) Item: Choice Specs/Life Ball Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Air Cutter/HP Fly – Signal Beam – Ice Beam – Hydro Pump/Giga Drain Best counters: Raichu Kecleon MukMawileHP 50 / Atk 85 / Def 85 / Sp Atk 55 / Sp Def 55 / Speed 50 When you see the base stats you probably thinking it’s really bad, having 4 stats < 60. But fortunately it’s amazing defensive typing, ability and good movepool really makes up for that. Mawile has 12 resistances and is only weak to three typing. It’s immune to toxic (a very common move) and stops normal spam from Fearow and Stantler. It is also one of the few hard counters for mixed swords dance Victreebell.Defensive Support Item: Leftovers Nature: Impish Ability: Intimidate Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Seismic Toss – Super Fang – Knock Off – ToxicMetangHP 60 / Atk 75 / Def 100 / Sp Atk 55 / Sp Def 80 / Speed 50 The good thing about Metang is the 4x resistance to Psychic. It has his niche to counter Kadabra and pursuit trap it, but also being able to check Venomoth. It’s typing and defensive stats are excellent for a wall. Trick can be used to swift choice band walls like Whiscash, Torkoal or Solrock that could come in and get leftovers.Special Defensive wall Item: Leftovers/Swift Choice Band Nature: Sassy Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Sp Def Moveset: Meteor Mash – Psychic – Toxic/Trick – PursuitMuk HP 105 / Atk 105 / Def 75 / Sp Atk 65 / Sp Def 100 / Speed 50When you these stats you probably thinking, why is this even NU? Well pretty simple because it doesn’t have a proper physical stab move. Sticky Hold is a very good ability to have because it can’t lose its item by Knock Off. Unfortunately for Muk is that Ground and Psychic moves are pretty common in this tier. The best way to go is using a Curse set or Subpunch set.Curse Item: Leftovers Nature: Careful Ability: Sticky Hold Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Sp Def Moveset: Curse – Rest – Ice Punch – Thunderpunch/Body SlamSubpuncher (Special thanks to @DiDi) Item: Leftovers Nature: Adamant Ability: Sticky Hold Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Atk Moveset: Substitute – Toxic/Thunderpunch – Focus Punch – Ice Punch/Thunder Punch Edited March 30, 2017 by Mnemosyne Link to comment
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Crazyhell Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 many shit here i can't correct all your mistake but : 51 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said: KinglerBest counters: Tangela Bellosom Qwilfish NO Mantine NO +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mantine: 164-193 (85.4 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO 0 SpA Mantine Hidden Power Flying vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Kingler: 58-69 (41.7 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 56 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said: KadabraCalm MinderItem: Life Ball Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Psychic – Signal beam – Shadow Ball – Calm MindSpecial Choice bandItem: Special Choice Band Nature: Timid Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Psychic – Signal beam – Shadow Ball – Trick where is hp ground/fight ?! hp fight + shadow or ground + signal 59 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said: KabutopsRain Dance sweeperItem: Life Ball Nature: Adamant Ev’s: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 142 Speed Moveset: Rain Dance/Aerial Ace – Waterfall – Rock Slide – Superpower lol and qwilfish is not a counter lel Rockslide SD or CB rip 1 hour ago, Mnemosyne said: GorebyssRain Dance SweeperItem: Life Ball Nature: Modest Ability: Swift Swim Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Surf – Ice Beam – HP Grass – Rain Dance Best counters: Raichu Mantine NO Muk stop copy showdown plz u need hp eleck for mantine ( and pelliper too ) fuck hp grass 252+ SpA Life Orb Gorebyss Surf vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Whiscash in Rain: 206-244 (110.7 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 1 hour ago, Mnemosyne said: CameruptEruptionItem: Special Choice band Nature: Modest Ev’s: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Eruption – Flamethrower – HP Grass – Earthquake plz MILD ! MILD ! dsteel23, aftershocker, BigPapi and 13 others 16 Link to comment
aftershocker Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 should add diglett to the list. beats two of the most common sp def walls in the meta and can run either scarf or sub/screech. Link to comment
DiDi Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 if you try to counter electrode with kecleon, you're gonna catch a toxic every time Guillian and Crazyhell 2 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, aftershocker said: should add diglett to the list. beats two of the most common sp def walls in the meta and can run either scarf or sub/screech. I could ask Diglett to the list, although I don't really know what the used sets for it is. Same goes for Cacturne. aftershocker 1 Link to comment
DiDi Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Mnemosyne said: I could ask Diglett to the list, although I don't really know what the used sets for it is. Same goes for Cacturne. lol scarf set of course. cacturne is different since there are so many options, with diglett you know what you're going to get Mnemosyne 1 Link to comment
xStarr Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Even if you don't know the set of a mon, should still be listed since its NU. Someone will write it down eventually Mnemosyne 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 My guess is you've never seen a Flareon. Spoiler Flareon: Mixed wallbreakerItem: Choice Band - Lol?Nature: Lonely Ev’s: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 46 Speed Moveset: Superpower / Overheat / Quick Attack / Bite Why HP invest instead of Speed? Why no HP Grass to ohko the "counter" Whiscash? Wish SupportItem: Leftovers Nature: Calm Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Flamethrower – Toxic – Protect – Wish > Defense, serious? Hitmontop: Bulk UpItem: Leftovers/Chesto Berry Nature: Careful Ev’s: 252 HP, 252 Sp Def Moveset: High Jump Kick – Earthquake – Rock Slide – Rest Bulk Up set probably needs Bulk Up. ShadowGary, Risadex, Camyy and 7 others 10 Link to comment
Risadex Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, LifeStyle said: My guess is you've never seen a Flareon. Hide contents Bulk Up set probably needs Bulk Up. LMAO Edit: Good Luck with the project, it ll take Kinda time for this. And just for mention u forgot a popular Purple guy named Muk. Edited March 29, 2017 by Risadex DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, LifeStyle said: My guess is you've never seen a Flareon. Reveal hidden contents Flareon: Mixed wallbreakerItem: Choice Band - Lol?Nature: Lonely Ev’s: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 46 Speed Moveset: Superpower / Overheat / Quick Attack / Bite Why HP invest instead of Speed? Why no HP Grass to ohko the "counter" Whiscash? Wish SupportItem: Leftovers Nature: Calm Ev’s: 252 HP / 252 Def Moveset: Flamethrower – Toxic – Protect – Wish > Defense, serious? Hitmontop: Bulk UpItem: Leftovers/Chesto Berry Nature: Careful Ev’s: 252 HP, 252 Sp Def Moveset: High Jump Kick – Earthquake – Rock Slide – Rest Bulk Up set probably needs Bulk Up. I already changed some things you noticed before you told. Is if worth investing in more speed on Flareon though? HP Grass is a good shout, I will add it later. Thanks for the feedback. Edited March 29, 2017 by Mnemosyne Oh I guess something got wrong with saving Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mnemosyne said: Is if worth investing in more speed on Flareon though? I mean, why would you not want to outspeed things like Aggron or Offensive Whiscash? smh Mnemosyne and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
Mnemosyne Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Risadex said: LMAO Edit: Good Luck with the project, it ll take Kinda time for this. And just for mention u forgot a popular Purple guy named Muk. Thanks Risadex, I appreciate the support. I will add the pokemons that starts with L-Z later. I also changed Flareon wallbreaker set. Edited March 29, 2017 by Mnemosyne Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) PinsirHP 64 / Atk 125 / Def 100 / Sp Atk 55 / Sp Def 70 / Speed 85Currently lacking a reliable STAB, the horned-wonder can still get by with its incredibly high attack stat and its diverse move-pool. Pinsir is best used as a wallbreaker and can even sweep with Thunderwave support to slow down its faster opponents. Consider Pinsir an awesome lead with Choice Band or Swift Band, as it can typically force a first-turn switch and gain you a bit of momentum. With this hit-and-run tactic, Pinsir can break open your opponents team for something else to sweep. Tired of being being out-predicted with your Choice Pinsir? Consider Life Ball Swords Dance with a +Speed nature and ensure yourself a quick momentum grab against a stall-heavy opponent. Common checks include Solrock, Defensive Whiscash or Bellossom, and Torkoal; but in all honesty this bug can take down any "switch in". Consider Thief if you predict Solrock, as you can do up to 75% damage with a Swords Dance under your belt. The classic QuakeSlide combo hits everything in the game excluding Claydol but suffers against Solrock barring a lucky flinch. Consider Quick Attack only if you want to surprise a revenge killer Raichu that might feel comfy simply using Thunderbolt. Unfortunately this bug is quite slow, and thus it is forced out by revenge killers such as Fearow, Raichu, Scyther, etc. Promising teammates include Spikes users to help Pinsir sweep, the aforementioned paralysis spammers, and defensive options that can tank hits from any revenge killer. CB Metang with Pursuit is also helpful to remove Kadabra and also Fearow, which might Pursuit you. Choice Bander / Swift BandItem: Choice Band Nature: Adamant Ability: Hyper Cutter EV’s: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Return / Rock Slide -- Earthquake -- Superpower -- Quick Attack / Thief Termite (Break them Walls Down!)Item: Life Ball Nature: Jolly Ability: Hyper Cutter EV’s: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Swords Dance -- Return / Rock Slide -- Superpower/Earthquake -- Thief / Quick Attack Edited March 29, 2017 by DoubleJ aftershocker and Mnemosyne 2 Link to comment
DiDi Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: PinsirHP 64 / Atk 125 / Def 100 / Sp Atk 55 / Sp Def 70 / Speed 85Currently lacking a reliable STAB, the horned-wonder can still get by with its incredibly high attack stat and its diverse move-pool. Pinsir is best used as a wallbreaker and can even sweep with Thunderwave support to slow down its faster opponents. Consider Pinsir an awesome lead with Choice Band or Swift Band, as it can typically force a first-turn switch and gain you a bit of momentum. With this hit-and-run tactic, Pinsir can break open your opponents team for something else to sweep. Tired of being being out-predicted with your Choice Pinsir? Consider Life Ball Swords Dance with a +Speed nature and ensure yourself a quick momentum grab against a stall-heavy opponent. Common checks include Solrock, Defensive Whiscash or Bellossom, and Torkoal; but in all honesty this bug can take down any "switch in". Consider Thief if you predict Solrock, as you can do up to 75% damage with a Swords Dance under your belt. The classic QuakeSlide combo hits everything in the game excluding Claydol but suffers against Solrock barring a lucky flinch. Consider Quick Attack only if you want to surprise a revenge killer Raichu that might feel comfy simply using Thunderbolt. Unfortunately this bug is quite slow, and thus it is forced out by revenge killers such as Fearow, Raichu, Scyther, etc. Promising teammates include Spikes users to help Pinsir sweep, the aforementioned paralysis spammers, and defensive options that can tank hits from any revenge killer. CB Metang with Pursuit is also helpful to remove Kadabra and also Fearow, which might Pursuit you. Choice Bander / Swift BandItem: Choice Band Nature: Adamant Ability: Hyper Cutter EV’s: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Return / Rock Slide -- Earthquake -- Superpower -- Quick Attack / Thief Termite (Break them Walls Down!)Item: Life Ball Nature: Jolly Ability: Hyper Cutter EV’s: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed Moveset: Swords Dance -- Return / Rock Slide -- Superpower/Earthquake -- Thief / Quick Attack sub bulk too ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, DiDi said: sub bulk too That set is shit. Let's keep it simple for this meta. ShadowGary and Crazyhell 2 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 29 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: That set is shit. Let's keep it simple for this meta. Sub bulk is fye af Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, Torinnnnn said: Sub bulk is fye af Oh yea, because Poliwrath is still in the tier, amirite? Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 You obvi haven't faced gg no re Link to comment
Parke Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Sub bulk pinsir lel, what is this 2012 Link to comment
DiDi Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 sub bulk pinsir is good lol Torinnnnn 1 Link to comment
Gazelli Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I'm the one who created the sub bulk up set, was first used by laza when he shrekt kanyninelx. there was also a CC in which daryl was losing 5-6 to sebat, but pinsir came in and 5-0'd sebat. in the current meta its not great, but its worth putting. Was a lot better when poli had a lower base attack since it set up on that. Link to comment
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