RysPicz Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 So guys just wanted to ask... What do you think about Heracross in UU currently? Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, RysPicz said: So guys just wanted to ask... What do you think about Heracross in UU currently? 2 op ban him Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 First, excuse me for my poor English, I use Google Translate ^^ I propose to ban Torkoal tier UU, because the climate in general is too abused in this tier, as the rain. Let's leave it all in the OU domain. Of course, before being a suggestion, it is a request, so I ask you what do you think about it O:) Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bomberfox said: First, excuse me for my poor English, I use Google Translate ^^ I propose to ban Torkoal tier UU, because the climate in general is too abused in this tier, as the rain. Let's leave it all in the OU domain. Of course, before being a suggestion, it is a request, so I ask you what do you think about it O:) Gigalith > Torkoal. TohnR 1 Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) But Exeggutor/Shiftry with sun (Chlorophyll) > ALL > Gigalith Edited November 26, 2018 by Bomberfox Link to comment
Mkns1070 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Bomberfox said: But Exeggutor/Shiftry with sun (Chlorophyll) > ALL > Gigalith Mandibuzz > Exeggutor/Shiftry gbwead 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bomberfox said: But Exeggutor/Shiftry with sun (Chlorophyll) > ALL > Gigalith Chlorophyll is not active if you send Gigalith against Torkoal. Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 But Torkoal > Mandibuzz just switch on these 3 pokémons ----> easy win Link to comment
Nawe Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Bomberfox said: But Torkoal > Mandibuzz just switch on these 3 pokémons ----> easy win just play rocks and let the other change all he want? Link to comment
Mkns1070 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Bomberfox said: But Torkoal > Mandibuzz just switch on these 3 pokémons ----> easy win give me some calc so Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, gbwead said: Chlorophyll is not active if you send Gigalith against Torkoal. But if you switch again, it is not. I consider that climates belongs to the OU, I still do not understand why it was allowed in UU ^^ Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bomberfox said: First, excuse me for my poor English, I use Google Translate ^^ I propose to ban Torkoal tier UU, because the climate in general is too abused in this tier, as the rain. Let's leave it all in the OU domain. Of course, before being a suggestion, it is a request, so I ask you what do you think about it O:) damn, and i was the one who wanted torkoal nu to abuse vileplume and exxeggutor lul soyhector 1 Link to comment
BlizzardGG Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Bomberfox said: But if you switch again, it is not. I consider that climates belongs to the OU, I still do not understand why it was allowed in UU ^^ it seems that you got some bad experinces with torkoal like @MknsZblex and @gbwead said... gigalith and mandi will handle them Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 During the tournament, I suddenly noticed that all teams were composed of either Gigalith or Vullaby and just to counter the Chlorophyll, it's not what I call the strategy :V Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Bomberfox said: But if you switch again, it is not. I consider that climates belongs to the OU, I still do not understand why it was allowed in UU ^^ Because it's bad. And that fact is reflected in it's usage. Torkoal is suspectible to rocks, has no reliable recovery, it's very slow and sun teams can be easily blocked by Sand Stream Gigalith which was mentioned earlier by my friends. Only pokemon which currently deserves a discussion in UU tier is a Heracross (as an offensive uber). Torkoal with amount of his flaws and a very hard counter in Gigalith does not fit uber support characteristics at all. Lin 1 Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The sandstorm and the hail are not too cheat weather, but the sun and the rain are. Rain has been banned, so why not the sun? Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bomberfox said: But if you switch again, it is not. I consider that climates belongs to the OU, I still do not understand why it was allowed in UU ^^ So Vanilluxe, Hippopotas, Gigalith and Torkoal should all be banned from lower tiers even though they are in not broken in any way just because you consider that weather belongs in OU? I fail to see your argument here. Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, RysPicz said: Because it's bad. And that fact is reflected in it's usage. Torkoal is suspectible to rocks, has no reliable recovery, it's very slow and sun teams can be easily blocked by Sand Stream Gigalith which was mentioned earlier by my friends. Only pokemon which currently deserves a discussion in UU tier is a Heracross (as an offensive uber). Torkoal with amount of his flaws and a very hard counter in Gigalith does not fit uber support characteristics at all. But precisely, Gigalith is opposed by pokémons Chlorophyll, it is enough that it has another attack of the type plant and it is finished, easy win Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, gbwead said: So Vanilluxe, Hippopotas, Gigalith and Torkoal should all be banned from lower tiers even though they are in not broken in any way just because you consider that weather belongs in OU? I fail to see your argument here. """The sandstorm and the hail are not too cheat weather, but the sun and the rain are. Rain has been banned, so why not the sun?"""" Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 @gbwead noob ban torkoal it uber -.- Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The sun and the rain, in addition to boost the speed of some pokémons or heal (for rain), they boost certain types and lower the power of other attacks, not like hail or sandstorm. Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bomberfox said: """The sandstorm and the hail are not too cheat weather, but the sun and the rain are. Rain has been banned, so why not the sun?"""" Nothing was banned. Rain is not banned from lower tiers. Pelipper is OU by usage. Pelipper wasn't banned from lower tiers. suigin and soyhector 2 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Bomberfox said: But precisely, Gigalith is opposed by pokémons Chlorophyll, it is enough that it has another attack of the type plant and it is finished, easy win Not sure if you are aware, but Gigalith disables every Solarbeam user when it brings sand in, while also it has titanic physical bulk AND special bulk boasted by Sand. Could you please tell me how much experience you have in UU this far and where do you draw your conclusions from? Please do not misunderstand me, I do not intend to attack you or insult, I would just like to know specific situations that happened to you that made you think about Torkoal being broken. I play UU ever since Unova started. Lately much less than I used to in previous meta, but I still know the tier really well and Sun teams are incredibly gimmick currently and with very little viability. Link to comment
Mkns1070 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Bomberfox said: The sun and the rain, in addition to boost the speed of some pokémons or heal (for rain), they boost certain types and lower the power of other attacks, not like hail or sandstorm. you forgot Excadrill/Stoutland with Sand Rush. Also Sand boost SpeDef of rock mons Link to comment
Bomberfox Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'm not talking about the Sunny Day attack, but the Drought talent. The sun stopped? Easy, just redo Torkoal appear. Link to comment
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