VadimEmpoleon

Playing against the same player with the same team is boring for many reasons: Sometimes the match up favors a certain team and you are likely to get the same result in the match as previously. I've seen many people forfeit in few turns because of this. Both players will know their opponent's team which is not fun. Playing a duel of 30 mins or more just to get paired against the same player with the same team in your next duel is not fun and I've seen people forfeit because of this too. I think adding a 5-10 minutes cooldown before being able to be paired against the same player would fix this, not sure if it would be feasible though.

I don't think you will achieve much by creating a thread here. Tiering discussions now have place in PokeMMO's discord so you can try there.

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@Munya how long do you expect that it will take to decide everything about the new tiering system? (Discord rules and new tier policies) Also, should we already stop using forums for tiering discussions?

But Drizzle and Drought are still in the tier...

So Kingdra and Darmanitan were not deemed strong enough to prevent retesting them?

No, they did not. A discussion thread being opened proves that the TC may ban it and that if you disagree with it you should comment there. This is just a request thread, no reason to defend the mons here. Not following the rules = lying.

It does harm the possible people who wanted to discuss it in case of it being considered for a ban. If there is no thread then there is no reason to discuss it much, this thread is called UU tier discussion request thread for a reason. If Lucario's ban took to long too happen was because of TC not because of the process. If the process needs to change so be it but lying to people is not fine.

What is the reasoning to keep some mons in BL2 and reset everything in BL1? Why should Machamp, a mon with much higher usage in UU than Darmanitan in OU, be treated differently? Why should Medicham, a mon with a much lower usage in UU than Kingdra in OU, be treated differently?

The TC could have opened the thread to discuss it and instantly quick banned it if I am not mistaken but the thread had to be opened no matter what, and anyway opening a thread to quick ban it instantly is absurd. The obvious move was to open a thread if the TC found Togekiss problematic for example when LLH asked about the community's opinion on Togekiss. I totally agree with the ban but not with the process.

Does this imply that the TC found Kingdra and Darmanitan fine for UU if they happen to drop but not Medicham and Rhyperior in NU? Because this is what is being implied here.

Then the decision should be reverted until everything is updated, the community didn't have a chance to give any feedback, there was no reason for a ban if no thread to discuss that mon exists. The UU tier discussion thread exists mostly to request bans, it is not worth defending some mons from getting banned in this thread because if they don't even get a thread opened, it's simply a time waste.

@Munyawhy are Machamp, Feraligatr, Medicham and Rhyperior still BL2 after the BL2 reset but Kingdra and Darmanitan were removed from BL1 after the BL1 reset? Asking this because the TC didn't give a reply when I asked. This may seem irrelevant to a majority but it has some implications to their chance of dropping to NU in the future.

@Munyahow is it possible that Togekiss has been banned without a discussion thread being opened? That goes against the official tier policies which by the way are missing in the forums which seems very convenient. https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/57816-pokemmo-tier-council-and-official-tier-policies/ It is gone for now. And please don’t tell me that the policies are getting updated or something because that absolutely not the way to proceed. You first update the policies then act accordingly. Togekiss was not part of the BL1 reset and simply dropped by usage so it should not have a special treatment. What is the point of wasting everyone’s time or not even give a chance to discuss because no thread was opened and all we get is a ban announcement out of nowhere? If staff/TC don’t care at all about their community please say it so we can stop wasting our time in these discussions. Edit: and I am not saying this because I disagree with the ban or anything, I was actually in favor of banning Togekiss since the very first moment it dropped to UU even with Raikou in the tier.

Agreed. The item should have been banned in Doubles until VGC gets added if it was deemed broken instead of keeping the flash effect that affects all the tiers. I have not even seen many people running Covert Mantle from what I have played and watched apart from some Zapdos and Whimsicott.