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I see you care a lot about Gallade's financial issues.

How TC sees sharpness on Gallade.

Worth noting that with Blaziken gone, Venomoth has an easier time playing Modest, which grants it much better odds fs those walls. (Depending how people play medicham IF it is dropped)

sacred fire is a gen 3? move, so it will be added here for Entei.

1- What you said about suicune is wrong. Suicune is broken in the tier, since we literally have no offensive threats to properly pressure it. You are the one not watching OU enough, otherwise you'd understand just how much pressuring (no pun intended) Suicune is to opposing teams. 2- Using usage for a Pokemon that is incredibly more restricted than anything else is very misleading. Suicune is by far much more useful than Raikou and yet they are at around the same usage.

1- Medicham has no issues going adamant, since the main contenders for the speedtie are gone. (Also the speedy walls can outspeed any spread they desire neverhteless) 2- Any hazards turn that jolly calc into something not favorable for dusknoir. 3- Dusknoir has no reliable recovery, meaning the best it can do after the first Zen to recover any HP is to pain split. 4- Even considering alignea 3, Dusknoir loses in this scenario, and the best it can do is trade its life for a burn.

Medicham is able to 2hko the entire the tier with the same 4 moves. Not only that it is also able to play plenty of viable variants, including priority to deal with offense and a Bulk up set for a sweeping set. The only Pokemon that could stop Medicham reliably would be Musharna, which is irrelevant, non-existant, and way too exploitable/abusable nevertheless. I could utter a bible for why venomoth is also too absurd in the tier, but Medicham is my main priority here, because there is no way this Pokemon is any legit in this NU format.

Damn. two whole pages worth of content. People really paid to play this... I miss the good old days where we'd have multiple pages of hype and drama.

You forgot landorus.

Yes bring Slowbro Regen.

What I understood from this thread: Legendaries are not a thing to discuss when related to PvP Kappa.

the TC

Politoed having no pivoting move is actually something I admit I overlooked. For the "Counters". Eh. Tentacruel can be exploited easily by Poliwrath and Seismitoad. Same Tosicroak, and sadly Gastrodon doesn't have the stats to actually stop anything (Altho it does prevent water spam). Slowbro seems very very shaky (Only really works vs Poliwrath). But Slowking seems slightly better. Of all those I say only Mantine is a reliable answer (Which also feels decently reliable vs potential Sun). I don't think this is nearly enough to stop the entire archetype, but fair enough on the lack of a pivoting move, slowing down the entire rain team. edit: For some reason I missed Jelli. Either way, I am torn with this one. Poliwrath can abuse it with some sets. Ludicolo murders it. It might stop seismitoad tho. Either way, and the main reason why I am torn, is because I am fairly sure Jellicent might rise if nothing is made regarding Suicune in OU.

Genuine question: What stops rain in UU? And please don't mention Empoleon, because at least 3 different rain abusers bully that penguim

I am very very disappointed. The old rys would remind us all what calculating is.

Not even "Girafa Rigged the Safari" 0/10 event. bad name. Huge missed potential.

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hum, no. All of those end up losing to Suicune, except for Jellicent. Toxicroak also needs a very tailored set to deal with Suicune, and even then loses if Suicune has ice beam.

No problemo. Just run facade.

Holy crap. You made me realize I actually have a comp adamant lanturn rotting in my PC. Time to revive the good stuff.

This thread has devolved into a "Whoever can mention the most irrelevant never seen gimmick to deal with Suicune" contest, and the sad (and hilarious) part is that they are serious about it. Wait. My bad. Not just to deal with Suicune as a whole, but to try to deal with 1 set of Suicune, mostly because any other way would be impossible and pointless, and how dare a Pokémon preventing any argument at all. Same people that claimed Gallade was definitely broken day one are now apemad because we are not giving people time to adapt to Suicune. Same people that are bringing all sort of random garbage are also the same that went apemad whenever someone mentioned spiritomb or sableye to deal with Gallade in general. And no, I don't care about Gallade's judgment at all, but it was the last pokemon to be banned to UBER and the way people are so completely blinded by bias is very glaringly obvious here. On the bright side, allow me to congratulate you all for coming up with even worse arguments than the infamous: Tyranitar could be NU in gen 3 because of Hitmontop, Truly. I am impressed. It requires a lot of special brainpower to outmeme a 10 year old meme. Either way, I am gonna join the parade and claim the crown by mentioning this one very viable, or at least as viable as some Pokémon I found mentioned in this thread. The ultimate counter to any Suicune. Here it is folks: - Bibarel: - Item: Leftovers - Ability: Unaware - Nature: Any ( But +spdef suggested) - Moves: Rest - Taunt - Scald (To avoid ice beam freezes) - Any Now let me reply to probably one of the few people here that are actually trying to bring valid arguments. I don't think relying on potential stuff that can come in the future is solid enough to keep a potentially broken Pokémon in the tier. First because we know absolutely knothing about whenever new stuff will come, and second because we also don't know if the new stuff that would come are able to actually hinder Suicune. In other words, it makes no sense to keep a potentially uber Pokémon in OU (If deemed that way) for as long as new stuff are not coming. This will just create an unbalanced metagame that will tryo to unhealthily adapt to something that may or may not just disappear either way. IF Suicune is deemed an issue in the current meta, I'd say get it banned and then re-evaluate it after new stuff comes, IF, that new stuff proves to be solid enough to make Suicune balanced in the future tier.

At this point I am convinced they are just sadist. Imagine implying we would have fun figuring out the rates (Something impossible to do either way), in the most boring ad pointless system in the game lmao.

Which Assault vest users are viable in OU AND deal with Suicune overall? Serperior loses to sub protect cune Amoonguss loses to both sub protect and calm mind ice beam Conkeldurr? But that absolutely needs tpunch with sheer force to even have a chance (And honestly im not even sure that isn't pp stalled as well) and is chipped way too easily. What else is there?

lmao. Either way, I agree. Our meta game is really not fit to handle Suicune at all. Most of the already very few and shaky answers rely on low pp moves, allowing Suicune to abuse side builds in order to pp stall all those. It is also super impressive Suicune was the first of the dogs to be added, in a metagame that is already so many leagues below any similar meta with Suicune around when it comes to offensive presence.

Your english is perfectly fine. Also I agree. Rocks are a bigger factor here when compared to more modern metas. When it comes to finding out which sets are more or less common, you can always check the statistics tab under the PVP menu. It shows you the most common abilities-items-natures and partners for any given Pokemon. But yeah, wallbreaker Dragonite is really really powerful if it is given a free turn. So powerful that I find it is usually a good idea to just manipulate the field in order to prevent it from coming in multiple times. Enjoy the game my man!