Vaeldras Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Have a feeling sunnybeam can be very dangerous once ludi is weak. 252+ SpA Charizard Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo: 136-162 (37.3 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Charizard Air Cutter vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo: 128-152 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- 78% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 SpA Ludicolo Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard: 216-254 (72.7 - 85.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Mfw, ludi can barely come in on zard. A rain sweeper could easily take a hit and outspeed/1hko with surf, but the bulky one is at risk against it. Not to mention petaya/blaze. Link to comment
codylramey Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I was thinking at the very least blaze. petya was mainly for bliss i believe, i think salac would be beneficial for sweeping now. Link to comment
RysPicz Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 +1 252+ SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo in Sun: 129-153 (68.9 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO For Cody Link to comment
codylramey Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) still say salacs better., especially with all the jolts and espys around. And ludis gonna get you into blaze range whiile hes trying to kill you with surf in the sun. But hey what do i know, i got second rounded in the oceanic. Edited June 22, 2015 by codylramey Link to comment
raaidn Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Actually i think surf only does around half in sun. And petaya vs salec is all situational. Gotta love that Stab+sun+blaze+petaya flamethrower doh Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Actually i think surf only does around half in sun B-but i posted calcs. When did salac/petaya activate btw? 25%? Link to comment
RysPicz Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 B-but i posted calcs. When did salac/petaya activate btw? 25%? Yes, 25% or below Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 +1 252+ SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo in Sun: 129-153 (68.9 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO For Cody +1 252 SpA Blaze Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo in Sun: 174-204 (93 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 told u charizard was going to be op Link to comment
RysPicz Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 +1 252 SpA Blaze Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo in Sun: 174-204 (93 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO So timid in Blaze range can OHKO, while modest +1 252+ SpA Blaze Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo in Sun: 190-224 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 So timid in Blaze range can OHKO, while modest +1 252+ SpA Blaze Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ludicolo in Sun: 190-224 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO And we're not even using fire blast, let alone overheat lmao Link to comment
Barrage Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 woof woof flash fire arcanine guys! DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) woof woof flash fire arcanine guys! Bdrum earthquake zard doe Edit: And no, espeed won't stop a zard with enough investment, not even at 25% Edited June 25, 2015 by Vaeldras Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Those moments when you bring a great counter for common movesets and out of nowhere your opponent that has never scouted you brings a new move to beat your one counter. I could guarantee that there are going to be no EQ Drum Zards used in today's meta. I validate arc as a counter in this meta. Also why are we talking about gimmicky zard? Edited June 25, 2015 by DoubleJ Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Those moments when you bring a great counter for common movesets and out of nowhere your opponent that has never scouted you brings a new move to beat your one counter. I could guarantee that there are going to be no EQ Drum Zards used in today's meta. I validate arc as a counter in this meta. Also why are we talking about gimmicky zard? lel gimmicky Edit: talking about bdrum, right? Edited June 26, 2015 by Vaeldras Link to comment
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