DrCraig Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Azumarill Viable Moves: Offensive: Waterfall Ice Punch Return / Double Edge Superpower Focus Punch Iron Tail Surf / Hydro Pump Ice Beam Knock Off Bounce (what) Status: Belly Drum Substitute Endure Premier Set: Choice Band Azumarill Item: Choice Band Nature: Jolly / Adamant Ability: Huge Power EVs: 252HP+252ATK or 252ATK+252SPE Moves: - Waterfall - Ice Punch - Return / Double Edge - Superpower / Focus Punch Belly Drum Item: Salac Berry Nature: Jolly Ability: Huge Power EVs: 252ATK+252SPE Moves: - Waterfall - Return - Belly Drum - Substitute / Endure Azumarill has a literally huge ability and a huge attack stat. When boosted by CB, Azumarill is an extremely strong attacked which has access to a nice stab, and superb coverage. Azumarill has mediocre speed and decent bulk. It has a nice amount off opportunities to come and destroy. Due to the move split, a lot of Azumarills counters have become checks. It is a huge physical presence, similiar to that of Crawdaunt. I'd like to discuss it moving to BL. (as a request) Discuss moving to BL. Edited March 5, 2015 by DrCraig Zorres00 and Toast 2 Link to comment
Toast Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) it's awfully hard to switch in on an azumarill. stab waterfall hurts like fuck. amazing coverage aswell, superpower/icepunch/de/waterfall un-limited coverage. EDIT: why the FUCK is un-limited filtered Edited March 5, 2015 by Toast Link to comment
Munya Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 it's awfully hard to switch in on an azumarill. stab waterfall hurts like fuck. amazing coverage aswell, superpower/icepunch/de/waterfall un-limited coverage. EDIT: why the FUCK is un-limited filtered Because of some shitty pokemon game that somebody spammed. Link to comment
Goldeneyes Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 EDIT: why the FUCK is un-limited filtered You can't advertise other pokemon mmos. Link to comment
YagamiNoir Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Belly Drum set pls include. Noting that it hits 168 after Salac, which makes it barely faster than positive base 100s. DrCraig 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I like how all of these threads are popping up for uu and we've only had one tournament. Mas chaos por favor. Tengo mas. karimologia 1 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 I like how all of these threads are popping up for uu and we've only had one tournament. Mas chaos por favor. Tengo mas. I like how it doesn't matter when they're made. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I like how it doesn't matter when they're made. It stretches the tier council and the community thin. What is really ban worthy? What should be banned right now? I mean espeon outclasses Alakazam, both threads are up, one longer than the other but nothing has been done. You've gotten little response from the uu council on any of them as well. Do it piece by piece not all at once brudda man, otherwise things might get banned that could actually fit. Edited March 6, 2015 by DoubleJ karimologia, felix and RysPicz 3 Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 It stretches the tier council and the community thin. What is really ban worthy? What should be banned right now? I mean espeon outclasses Alakazam, both threads are up, one longer than the other but nothing has been done. You've gotten little response from the uu council on any of them as well. Do it piece by piece not all at once brudda man, otherwise things might get banned that could actually fit. Just because they were posted doesn't mean they have to be replied to. The meta is still new, they can sit there and collect dust for all I care until discussion kicks up. Goldeneyes 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Idk it just seems distracting seeing these handful of threads in comp alley. I guess I can cope tho if it's just me Link to comment
Robofiend Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Craig just wants attention I kinda agree with JJ, although it doesn't hurt to have the threads up it does make the metagame discussion kind of confusing. I think incremental bans are the way to go because some of the supposedly broken pokes aren't even seen much use given how big the current UU tier is. Nontheless, it's not a bad idea to have discusssions going early, it helps players get a grasp for what's going on in the tier. Just because there's a thread doesn't mean that there's even support for something to be banned, it could just be a mechanism for looking at how a pokemon functions in its tier. Edited March 7, 2015 by Robofiend RysPicz, felix, DrCraig and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Zorres00 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Are there any real walls for this thing? Because each time I make a team and come up against this thing, I need to rely on predicting well. Otherwise cband waterfall/dedge/superpower pretty much reks most teams. Would like to hear some opinions as to how this poke can be dealt with Link to comment
DrCraig Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are there any real walls for this thing? Because each time I make a team and come up against this thing, I need to rely on predicting well. Otherwise cband waterfall/dedge/superpower pretty much reks most teams. Would like to hear some opinions as to how this poke can be dealt with I think Azum is placed under the "Use predictions because CB" category, but I would like to see calcs. I doubt there is a safe switch. Maybe Slowking can take the normal moves? Link to comment
OldKeith Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) The thing about Azumaril is that yes, it hits hard, and yes, it involves prediction. However, its speed is not so high, and many things can punish it. What survives an Azumarill hit can retaliate and make Azu almost useless, at low hp. This water mouse has answers left and right: Poliwrath resists and heavily punishes Waterfall + Ice Punch. Cradily Resists Double Edge+Waterfall. Quagsire is a safe switch regardless. Slowking resists Waterfall/Ice Punch/Superpower, while Haunter sets up a sub nicely on a banded Double Edge. And let's not forget Double Edge self inflicts damage too. So as tough as Azumarill is, it can get walled pretty hard, and is threatened by many UUs that outspeed it. If it does not run the band, more pokemon will be able to wall it, like Exeggutor, Blastoise, and other inferior walls. No reliable recovery, no setting up except Belly Drum, which is pretty much a waste without priority. I think Azumarill is a threat and it is definitely powerful, but not a banworthy. Edited March 17, 2015 by OldKeith JayMetaGod, Havsha and RysPicz 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The thing about Azumaril is that yes, it hits hard, and yes, it involves prediction. However, its speed is not so high, and many things can punish it. What survives an Azumarill hit can retaliate and make Azu almost useless, at low hp. This water mouse has answers left and right: Poliwrath resists and heavily punishes Waterfall + Ice Punch. Cradily Resists Double Edge+Waterfall. Quagsire is a safe switch regardless. Slowking resists Waterfall/Ice Punch/Superpower, while Gengar sets up a sub nicely on a banded Double Edge. And let's not forget Double Edge self inflicts damage too. So as tough as Azumarill is, it can get walled pretty hard, and is threatened by many UUs that outspeed it. If it does not run the band, more pokemon will be able to wall it, like Exeggutor, Blastoise, and other inferior walls. No reliable recovery, no setting up except Belly Drum, which is pretty much a waste without priority. I think Azumarill is a threat and it is definitely powerful, but not a banworthy. Well said. Sadly, cradily doesn't resist waterfall though (storm drain would be very nice) Link to comment
Toast Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The thing about Azumaril is that yes, it hits hard, and yes, it involves prediction. However, its speed is not so high, and many things can punish it. What survives an Azumarill hit can retaliate and make Azu almost useless, at low hp. This water mouse has answers left and right: Poliwrath resists and heavily punishes Waterfall + Ice Punch. Cradily Resists Double Edge+Waterfall. Quagsire is a safe switch regardless. Slowking resists Waterfall/Ice Punch/Superpower, while Gengar sets up a sub nicely on a banded Double Edge. And let's not forget Double Edge self inflicts damage too. So as tough as Azumarill is, it can get walled pretty hard, and is threatened by many UUs that outspeed it. If it does not run the band, more pokemon will be able to wall it, like Exeggutor, Blastoise, and other inferior walls. No reliable recovery, no setting up except Belly Drum, which is pretty much a waste without priority. I think Azumarill is a threat and it is definitely powerful, but not a banworthy. wrong tier Link to comment
OldKeith Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 well, haunter. you know ... Link to comment
Tyrone Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 The UU Council finds that Azumarill currently does not meet the criteria for being banned to BL (OU). So this means that for now, Azumarill will stay in the UU tier. In the future, when the UU tier has seen some changes, this pokemon may be discussed some more. On that note I'll be locking this thread and putting it in the Competition Archive. Link to comment
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