Heimann Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 You stated "Off topic" is fine with only one moderator, if that's true why did Daft request multiple times for staff to assign someone to help him? Because he doubted himself every time he locked /hid something & is rather bad with conflict. No offense. KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Hassan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Because he doubted himself every time he locked /hid something & is rather bad with conflict. No offense.I understand, that's why he wanted another moderator to assist him with the decisions, he was forced to make the decisions himself which he disliked and wanted to have another moderator to discuss with before making certain decisions. KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Noad Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 You stated "Off topic" is fine with only one moderator, if that's true why did Daft request multiple times for staff to assign someone to help him in the section? That is only something that Daft can answer but before that Xela was modding OT on his own and then after him Jindu was as well. Daft was also a new mod as well and in hindsight he probably should not have been put into Off Topic while he was still trying to find his feet. It's pretty daunting when you first become staff as you want to make a good impression to the posters so there is a habit of over thinking everything. KingofChess, Heimann and HerpDerpBox 3 Link to comment
Dougington Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 It doesn't even matter how many staff moderate OT. It matters how heavily said staff enforce your rules. KingofChess and Heimann 2 Link to comment
Emlee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I was just saying that it doesn't make sense for Off Topic to receive the amount of moderation that Comp Alley and other sections receive, which is also what seemingly the off topic posters don't want to happen either. Moderation if Ot has little to nothing to do with CA. Please be a bit open minded. Two mods could have been better for Daft for example. There's no harm in it. Also "what Ot posters want" are you serious? We are a bunch of different people and don't all want the exact same thing. Don't be ridiculous, you're not that oblivious. All I can guarantee is that we want Ot back and think this has been far too drawn out. KingofChess and TheGloriousWalrus 2 Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Calm down peeps I think we just all mean the same thing but are saying it in a different way: More Moderators =/= more moderation Hassan, fredrichnietze, Misfire33 and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Noad Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Moderation if Ot has little to nothing to do with CA. Please be a bit open minded. Two mods could have been better for Daft for example. There's no harm in it. Also "what Ot posters want" are you serious? We are a bunch of different people and don't all want the exact same thing. Don't be ridiculous, you're not that oblivious. All I can guarantee is that we want Ot back and think this has been far too drawn out. Wasn't the whole issue that happened in Off Topic before it was closed about the fact that threads were being prematurely locked and posters wanted more freedom in what they posted in the section. I'm not saying that all off topic posters want the same thing, but this is the impression that staff are getting from this thread by reading the points being made. KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Malorne Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) "oh look, a few posts look similar... they must want the same thing, lets make it worse" [spoiler] if this post gets hidden and the result will be worst, i'll be on someone's ass[/spoiler] Edited June 30, 2015 by Malorne KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Heimann Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I personally want equality in the moderation & OT to be opened back up. If what's called a shitpost gets hidden in OT I expect every similar post in Rt,trade,gd etc to be treated the same way. Emlee, axx and KingofChess 3 Link to comment
Emlee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Wasn't the whole issue that happened in Off Topic before it was closed about the fact that threads were being prematurely locked and posters wanted more freedom in what they posted in the section. I'm not saying that all off topic posters want the same thing, but this is the impression that staff are getting from this thread by reading the points being made. I have no idea what provoked you/the staff to think closing OT was a smart and productive idea. I don't care if threads are locked prematurely, I care that when that happens communication occurs and issues are solved or addressed. Mistakes happen in moderation and yes reducing them is crucial - but that doesn't mean they cannot be addressed and resolved when they do occur. This requires both an effort of the mod and the posters in the section. Your impression seems to be a reflection of your bias against us. From your past posts I recognize that you can't be bothered to look at off topic because of all the "negativity". Can you just gather the staff and put OT back. If Squirtle is away then bother H or Kyu. They're not idiots when it comes to the admin panel I am sure. axx and KingofChess 2 Link to comment
Heimann Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Wasn't the whole issue that happened in Off Topic before it was closed about the fact that threads were being prematurely locked and posters wanted more freedom in what they posted in the section. I'm not saying that all off topic posters want the same thing, but this is the impression that staff are getting from this thread by reading the points being made. I still don't understand why OT needs to be locked for us to discuss this like civilized people. Don't know how accurate it would be, but why not make a poll for the thread and see how people are feeling ? Something along the lines of; A. 1 Mod who understands the section. B. 2 Mods so they can pingpong ideas/decisions. C. No mods & we self moderate with the report function. D. No specific mods, just globally watched by all. E. Change nothing I think those are the only 'moderation' ideas we had discussed so far. I'd be in favor of A or B at this point as long as all sections of this forum get treated the same. Edited June 30, 2015 by Heimann KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Emlee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 But a vote doesn't always represent what is best, and if what is voted in is used for the section and needs to be changed then (because it's not working) then some people will be fairly unhappy if what they wanted/were promised isn't adhered to. Really there should just be a "E. Just put OT back option". I do think two mods could be useful but truly being adaptable is the best approach. If Daft had another mod (I have no idea if staff straight up told him no) and was denied that then that's not good practice for a section. Sub forums change over time and require different levels of attention imo depending on those changes and the mods running them. KingofChess and Heimann 2 Link to comment
Gilgamesh Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Wasn't the whole issue that happened in Off Topic before it was closed about the fact that threads were being prematurely locked and posters wanted more freedom in what they posted in the section. I'm not saying that all off topic posters want the same thing, but this is the impression that staff are getting from this thread by reading the points being made. This can be accomplished with one mod who knows the community, or two mods where at least one of them knows the community and the other can turn to them for advice before making a sketchy action. So you're both correct. Edited June 30, 2015 by Gilgamesh KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Noad Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 I have no idea what provoked you/the staff to think closing OT was a smart and productive idea. I don't care if threads are locked prematurely, I care that when that happens communication occurs and issues are solved or addressed. Mistakes happen in moderation and yes reducing them is crucial - but that doesn't mean they cannot be addressed and resolved when they do occur. This requires both an effort of the mod and the posters in the section. Your impression seems to be a reflection of your bias against us. From your past posts I recognize that you can't be bothered to look at off topic because of all the "negativity". Can you just gather the staff and put OT back. If Squirtle is away then bother H or Kyu. They're not idiots when it comes to the admin panel I am sure. You misinterpreted the point I made in the post you are referring to, I will repost it here. I personally don't have issue with anyone's individual behaviour in here, I don't tend to come in here a lot unless I am directed here. I don't think I've ever removed a post here from the long running threads unless they were a ban evader's but I have hidden threads that have needed to be hidden. The thing I don't understand is that, and I hope you don't mind me speaking truthfully here, why you guys draw a bunch of negative attention to yourselves. Examples: Off Topic Rules V3.0 or whatever and the time some of you guys decided to spam a bunch of useless threads for nearly a whole day. To you guys that might be fun but for moderators it isn't so much and that is where we all butt heads. Hopefully you don't find this offensive but I personally really don't care what you guys do as long as you aren't bullying someone, you aren't posting sex/gore stuff and well to be honest that is pretty much it from me. A lot of you think that we take some sort of great pleasure in issuing warning points but that really isn't the case at all, truthfully I would much rather be doing my tournament stuff and comp alley things which is literally the reason I ever wanted to be staff here. Basically if people cooled down on the blatant rule breaking like I listed above in my example I really don't see why mods would even need to be in here and you guys could do pretty much what you like. That's where I stand anyway. Also I just noticed Daft is locking the thread so feel free to PM me or whatever if you still wanted to discuss this. I don't mind being added to a group message if some of you have concerns still. When I said that I preferred to be doing event stuff I was talking in regards to handing out warning points/ punishments to people, not moderating Off Topic. It's true I don't visit the section a lot, not because I have some sort of negative bias towards the posters in there it's just I don't get a lot of time outside of RL stuff or keeping an eye on my own sections. Before I was staff I rarely went into Off Topic either, so it is a habit that I have stuck to. It's true that I'm not bothered by what you guys do in there, not because I don't care just because it is really none of my business unless someone is posting porn ect. I think that some of the stuff that has happened in there recently hasn't reflected well on the posters or the staff and if anything shows that there needs to be work done to improve aspects from both groups. Some off topic posters do have a habit of drawing negative attention to the section, but you and other posters are right, it is not fair to punish the whole section rather than the minority. I made the mistake of generalising in my above post and I apologise for that, even the posters who can have their moments aren't what I would consider to be bad people or someone who I would want to see go. Anjovies, KujoKun, Misfire33 and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Darkshade Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Don't know how accurate it would be, but why not make a poll for the thread and see how people are feeling ? Something along the lines of; A. 1 Mod who understands the section. If we need a moderator who specifically 'understands' the section, then that would imply that it is being treated differently to other sections of the forums. This isn't 4chan, people should not have to lurk to get a better understanding of a specific sections culture. If a moderator cannot understand the section then a new user to the forums will have equal amounts of trouble. Off Topic will be treated the same as any of our other sections and should be able to be moderated by any moderator capable of doing so. KingofChess 1 Link to comment
flavajabari Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 If we need a moderator who specifically 'understands' the section, then that would imply that it is being treated differently to other sections of the forums. This isn't 4chan, people should not have to lurk to get a better understanding of a specific sections culture. If a moderator cannot understand the section then a new user to the forums will have equal amounts of trouble. Off Topic will be treated the same as any of our other sections and should be able to be moderated by any moderator capable of doing so. good job ignoring all the above posts stating OT IS NOT being treated the same way as any of your other sections, picking out 1 line and giving your same old response to it. it looks like you're not even trying at this point. also we are very aware this is not 4chan, thank you. Vaeldras, KingofChess, Orangeslash and 4 others 7 Link to comment
Hassan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 If we need a moderator who specifically 'understands' the section, then that would imply that it is being treated differently to other sections of the forums. This isn't 4chan, people should not have to lurk to get a better understanding of a specific sections culture. If a moderator cannot understand the section then a new user to the forums will have equal amounts of trouble. Off Topic will be treated the same as any of our other sections and should be able to be moderated by any moderator capable of doing so. As I stated before, assign two moderators that can work together. I truly believe that would make the off topic section much more suitable for OT posters and the public. We should not expect one person to moderate, and make all the decisions themselves. I always like to think that two heads would work better than one. (Also to avoid something like this from ever happening again) KingofChess 1 Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 If we need a moderator who specifically 'understands' the section, then that would imply that it is being treated differently to other sections of the forums. This isn't 4chan, people should not have to lurk to get a better understanding of a specific sections culture. If a moderator cannot understand the section then a new user to the forums will have equal amounts of trouble. Off Topic will be treated the same as any of our other sections and should be able to be moderated by any moderator capable of doing so. 'That would imply' KingofChess and Orangeslash 2 Link to comment
Plague Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) So, what needs to actually happen for Off-Topic to re-open? What objectives need to be accomplished? If it's just new moderation, it doesn't sound like any input is needed there from us. If it's just a new set of rules, it sounds like Darkshade already knows what he wants OT to be. What else is there to discuss? Is there anything else that requires input from the community? Edited June 30, 2015 by Plague KingofChess, shervinz, Vaeldras and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Gilgamesh Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) If we need a moderator who specifically 'understands' the section, then that would imply that it is being treated differently to other sections of the forums. This isn't 4chan, people should not have to lurk to get a better understanding of a specific sections culture. If a moderator cannot understand the section then a new user to the forums will have equal amounts of trouble. Off Topic will be treated the same as any of our other sections and should be able to be moderated by any moderator capable of doing so. Except it isn't being treated the same as the other sections, and lurking is an effective way to learn how to fit in no matter where you are. Some people choose not to. That's okay. Nobody HAS to. Some people don't. And we've been asking THIS WHOLE TIME for a moderator who DOES understand the section. You keep assigning mods who aren't capable of doing so. Daft was almost successful, I honestly really liked him but he needed assistance. Like what are you even saying anymore? You say we don't need a moderator to understand the section's culture, then go on to say that if a moderator cannot understand the culture then new users will have trouble with it too. So what do you even want? Clearly not everyone is cut out for the job or else we wouldn't be here right now. You may not take kindly to this, but there are things that need to be said. I would politely ask you to stop posting, because you clearly do not care about making everyone happy as opposed to making yourself happy. Every single time you post, all you do is feed us this drivel, and don't try to work together with us to make everyone happy. I wanted communication with staff, and this isn't communication, this is us being given orders. This is not a demand, but a request. You are free to continue posting, but unless you plan on working with us instead of against us, everyone would benefit from you not saying anything. Edited June 30, 2015 by Gilgamesh Misfire33, londark, Vaeldras and 11 others 14 Link to comment
Emlee Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 You misinterpreted the point I made in the post you are referring to, I will repost it here. When I said that I preferred to be doing event stuff I was talking in regards to handing out warning points/ punishments to people, not moderating Off Topic. It's true I don't visit the section a lot, not because I have some sort of negative bias towards the posters in there it's just I don't get a lot of time outside of RL stuff or keeping an eye on my own sections. Before I was staff I rarely went into Off Topic either, so it is a habit that I have stuck to. It's true that I'm not bothered by what you guys do in there, not because I don't care just because it is really none of my business unless someone is posting porn ect. I think that some of the stuff that has happened in there recently hasn't reflected well on the posters or the staff and if anything shows that there needs to be work done to improve aspects from both groups. Some off topic posters do have a habit of drawing negative attention to the section, but you and other posters are right, it is not fair to punish the whole section rather than the minority. I made the mistake of generalising in my above post and I apologise for that, even the posters who can have their moments aren't what I would consider to be bad people or someone who I would want to see go. This is true but people attract negative attention in any section here and then those very same people attract positive attention at other times. It's not isolated to OT alone. If we need a moderator who specifically 'understands' the section, then that would imply that it is being treated differently to other sections of the forums. This isn't 4chan, people should not have to lurk to get a better understanding of a specific sections culture. If a moderator cannot understand the section then a new user to the forums will have equal amounts of trouble. Off Topic will be treated the same as any of our other sections and should be able to be moderated by any moderator capable of doing so. There is nothing wrong with having a moderator who understands a section moderating it. For example putting people interested in comp or at least hosting competitive events makes the most sense in CA. This doesn't mean that a moderator can be assigned somewhere and learn to understand a section. You don't need to have a major understanding but it does help. You also mention that it should be moderated by a moderator capable of doing so... well that is exactly what we are asking for. :s Also I don't think anyone believes MMO forums is 4chan. KingofChess 1 Link to comment
King Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 It's great that Darkshade misbehaves when Squirtle's away. May I suggest we allow sub forums to actually have a culture and we acknowledge that a little bit of lurking increases the quality of posts Heimann, Misfire33, Shiny and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Orangeslash Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 For the record, this occurred in response to continuous shit-modding one day. KingofChess 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 For the record, this occurred in response to continuous shit-modding one day. and that made it necessary KingofChess 1 Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 and that made it necessary no Orangeslash and KingofChess 2 Link to comment
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