MadaraSixSix

Scyther is my favorit pokemon

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just because you don't understand an argument or don't try to understand it doesn't make it stupid I'm not going to elaborate because you can just reread my posts and maybe understand why I compare certain things.

IGN: MadaraSixSix Name (Showdown/Smogon Forums): MadaraSixSix Time Zone (UTC): Utc+1 Discord: madara66 Preferred tiers: OU,UU,NU Motivation: I thought about leaving the game but we always come back home, Accolades or experience outside MMO (Showdown, Smogon): OT CATCH 160/608 !

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the guarantee of k.o a pokemon with dugtrio in a match is not true "For instance, if they switch in Garchomp, I can’t stay in" it's not really true, for example if you have the info that the garchomp is scarf or cb it's not especially easy for him to click earthquake in a team so it's a brain knowing that the poke in front threatens the k.o too "You mention the damage from Magma Storm, but if it doesn’t successfully trap the target, it’s just a move with no further impact" an attack that prevents a double switch is an attack with an impact in our meta tiers are precisely pokemon flight levitation spectre that constitutes the meta so arena trap is not magic since there are things that are not done trap so for the shot dugtrio arena trap is banned today it's digglet the trapper is mineshao life orb is not trap by digglet so if you want your example to serve as an argument it must be coherent if I can say that the example does not work it loses coherence we don't care about smogon because if we follow smogon's choices then there is no point in debating anything here anymore i expressed myself badly, for the screen the optimal set of digglet is : Eartquakes, endeavor, reversal and sucker punch but admit we consider rock slide digglet, you can run volcarona timid is always faster than him and you just have to put something like 100evs in pv to tank digglet rock slide for my part I debate, because I find that magma strom linked to heatran is more stupid than digglet arena trap and that it would take dugtrio to match vs heatran "Basically, it could be any Pokémon without needing to rely on Magma Storm. For example, if I send out Garchomp against Chandelure and it has HP Ice, the outcome would be the same." it's not the same, where chandelure hurts vs hazard heatran no, where chandelure is neutral vs a dragon move, heatran resists it so the situation in a match is totally different the argument of well played is not taken into account when we play well we can win most of the time otherwise I can say the same thing a player who plays heatran well will win to finish I understood well that the trap heatran and dugtrio are not exactly but points it is that if one is harmful, the other is both

If you're talking about me, know that it's a team like any other in my builder that I have already played and don't worry I didn't create it to fight you especially

dugtrio doesn't just need the arena trap ability to trap because it's one of the most fragile pokemon in the game so it generally needs a team adapted to the pokemon, that is to say pivot moves sometimes several defog users and always the sash item yes magma storm a little missed but in return does big damage + trap so the miss is really anecdotal the "lost" place on heatran, it's the same with dugtrio in a team the pokemon removes a place in the team 1) I will take your example of Volcarona : It's basically quite strange to put Volcarona in a volt switch because it always gives the momentum to the opponent zapdos and rottom are volt switch users so volarona is ok just to come on a canon magnzeone flash prediction if it does volt switch you are already in a burning situation 2)then on pokemmo we have the team preview so you already know that you are facing an arena trap so depending on how you play you can obviously give yourself the opportunity to get trapped but you can also play it the other way around 3)what are we talking about? dugtrio or arena trap because for me dugtrio with arena does not deserve his ban in this meta but he is banned anyway the current arena trap user is digglet who is threatened to lose his arena trap precisely if we follow your example it's diglett who will trap volcarona, except here digglet doesn't really trap volcarona because diglett (the terrifying one) doesn't have rock slide and volcarona is faster, that is to say that volcarona can have will-o wish, u turn, and in addition if digglet anticipates volcarone's attack move he can die just with volcarona's ability (because digglet's fear move is a contact move) so it's not an automatic kill for the trapper ok for the difference between the abilty and the move it's up to me to explain the differences between heatran magma and arena trap digglet/dugtrio magma trap almost all pokemon; even if they are resistant they can only switch with a pivot move or threatened with kill to be able to escape dugtrio or digglet trap not all and we can escape in the same way as with heatran with pivot or threatened with kill so basically it's the same thing except that heatran is a pokemon that can come on the field much more easily than a dugtrio I add another difference between arena trap and magma storm, the move magma storm traps more pokemon than arena trap when we look at the tier Over Used we realize that dugtrio does not trap levitation, flying pokemon weezing, and specters where heatran just does not trap specters and flash fire, (heatran) and chandelure (lol) in Over Used I didn't understand what the purpose of your list was I assumed it was a list that counters heatran so I talked about a possible heatran set that made it dangerous for the so-called counters when two pokemon threaten each other with KO the move is not free so your garchomp is threatened with ice hp it is not a set that does not exist in all the heatran player has more options than the chomp player, because he can switch stagnates while the chomp can only stagnate what do you mean by good timing? yes arena can finish pokemon for example chomp 30% can be trapped and killed by dugtrio (currently it's digglet so it wouldn't work) I give you this point: a low pokemon can switch vs heatran, but can be killed by dugtrio/digglet Arena Trap is a trap that traps Pokémon that cannot pivot, Pokémon that are not ghosts, Pokémon that are not flying, Pokémon that do not have levitation, Pokémon that do not have neutralized gas, and the poke with not ballon, now even trap pokemon can kill dugtrio/diglett because they are super fragile pokemon and therefore run away so no dugtrio/digglet can trap a lot of things but can't necessarily eliminate a lot of things if digglet or dugtrio has already trapped and killed a poke your gyradoss will just be able to rk, the thing is that digglet or dugtrio will not always lead this mission so your argument is based on the success of the trap and then for volcarona if he switches to heatran he cannot reposition gyradoss except with a tur

so I agree with your personal thoughts about scald I even used it a lot and for me it was the strongest move in the game (now there is magma storm) I have nothing against people who want to ban Scald, but a forum is used to exchange ideas. If you have an opinion, you can always share it and you will always have opinions for and against, which is normal. Now I find that Magma Storm is broken/not healthy and I say it's my opinion, you have the right to think differently pokemon is also a strategy game where sometimes there are particular strategies, and that's the beauty of the game we can win with many different wanting to remove teambuilds at all costs is also wanting not to diversify knowing that there are failures in all teams so we want to ban arena trap and when, there is only one who defends the arena we ban this message to silence him or did I misunderstand?

in this case: arena trap is also a talent like any other for arena trap you have the possibility to prepare for teambuilding, for example you can always play one of the items that switch

my thought is that those who defend magma strom in the pokemmo meta and who in return want to ban arena are hypocrites

it's true that a move like magma storm is similar to rain dance or growl IMAOO IMAOO IMAOOO

surely no brain players who when they see a problem with their broken pokemon instead of thinking they prefer to ban to cancel the problem

what I'm saying is that it was decided to ban dugtrio's arena trap because preventing the switch is considered unhealthy for the meta and that magma strom also prevents the switch but is it healthy? if we stay in the logic of preventing the switch is not healthy then yes you can ban fire spin like that it is in the same direction dugtrio does not trap instantly either so you have to either pivot with a move or rk or the hard switch to trap with heatran you have to click on magma storm it's a little different but whether the poke is trap with magma or with arena trap it can't switch in the same way if you can pivot vs heatran with u turn or teleport you can also do it against dugtrio Where are you going with your pokemon list? when i look at this list i see half of the pokemon that are not trapped by dugtrio either: namely gyradoss, peliper, rottom, hydreigon, glisgor the pokemon listed can also kill dugtrio just like heatran even if you send garchomp on heatran for example well you are deprived of the double switch mechanic so you may not be dead but you can't switch sending garchomp on heatran is already risky toxic or hp ice in the worst case it makes magma strom and you can't even double switch so no more possibility for the heatran player so yes if you think that dugtrio blocks the counter play heatran does the same if I don't say much for fire spin for example it's just that it's very rarely played while heatran let's not be naive is going to be spammed and with this famous move heatran is a pokemon with an interesting double team, perfect stats and an interesting movepool, so let him have a move with 100 power that does continuous damage and that also traps that's a lot we have dugtrio who plays a little against heatran and I think that's cool wanting to ban arena trap: just means I want to spam my heatran without compensation and I say it again you ban arena trap because it blocks the switch but heatran beyond the fact that it's a very good pokemon it blocks the switch TOO if we ban magma strom and we ban arena trap with it I would then agree with you,