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    Ban appeal system

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    2 minutes ago, Desu said:

    As for the main subject, the user was not left unbanned because of some friendship, nepotism, pity, or any other reason.

     

    To better understand, here is some context. We have had an internal amnesty policy where users can voluntarily admit to attempting to or successfully purchasing items via RMT. If a user reports their purchase in a reasonable time frame, before it is noticed, we will simply confiscate the item and let them off with a warning. Sellers do not get any leniency.

     

    I want to say thank you for your reply and the explanation of all this situation. This is going to be my answer to this situation.

     

    I wanna see the rule talking about "amnesty policy" when we talk about RMT 'cause I don't find it in any part of the rules and If it's secret well I think is not a good way to avoid this horrible episode we are facing right now. Talking about the context, I'm thinking about sharing the proofs inside this topic ' due to the decision of making this public. They surely need the context but I prefer to wait for your permission to do that 'cause I don't wanna make big drama here because is not the place for that and thats Why I suggest to discuss this on PM'S

    27 minutes ago, Desu said:

    As a slight extension to this policy, this also extends to RMT scammers. If you attempt to buy an item via RMT never receive the item, you can report it to us and the scammer will still be punished. Extending this policy this way prevents an abusable situation where a user is able to scam other users with impunity. If we have an environment where we ban the victim, then nobody will ever come out to report the scam.

    So in a resume, you are punishing scammers who get the money but You are not punishing the players who seek that deal and make the RMT and give the money. Even IF HE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE ITEM HE ASKED FOR IT AFTER THE TRY OF GETTING IT AND HE REPORTED THE RMT BECAUSE HE NEVER RECEIVED THE ITEM. This is pretty clear If he received the item, He will never report the scam but due to He was scammed so that's why he admitted he asked for the item. ELECTRIC STORM. I agree to make the punishment to the scammer but the punishment against someone who searches for RMT and paid for it must be happening too. He is not a victim and that's something you are not understanding. HE SEARCHES FOR RMT DEAL. There is no victim there. If you make that kind of deal You take the risk of being scammed. We are not talking about someone who trade an item for pokeyens and was scammed. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RMT WHICH IS ILLEGAL IN THE GAME AND THE PLAYER PAID FOR IT IF HE WAS SCAMMED DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE HE ACCEPT THAT DEAL HE IS NOT A VICTIM. You have a lot of staff who suppose to do that kind of investigations and decide if they deserve or not a ban without mattering If there is a victim of scam or not. Why do you give a special treat to this situation?

     

    31 minutes ago, Desu said:

    As you may have guessed by now, the user in question attempted to make an RMT purchase an item and was scammed. They never received the item they attempted to purchase. Admittedly we did not do the best at explaining this reasoning to the user.

    Is not an attempt of RMT, Is a clear RMT deal. Doesn't matter the angle you see this. The payment for an electric storm was there and he was scammed. Part of the risk to do that and I don't know If you the staff have an advertisement about that but I think you have that just like the advertisement about give pokemon to other people or pokeyens. 

     

    34 minutes ago, Desu said:

    This is (as far as I know) the first time we've applied this specific policy to a scam, but we've often applied it users who learn the rules after committing RMT. This was not a decision made at the behest of a single SGM, but something that was discussed.

    This is the first time too where SGM forgives an RMT case and they don't even force the player to do a Ban appeal like the rest of the community. This is the first time The community hears about giving this kind of privilege to a player who clearly admits the RMT and reports that cause he was scammed after paying for that not cause he felt guilty about doing that. 

     

    So You are breaking your own rules to just save the credibility of an SGM because that's What I saw. You are running this "amnesty policy" to save some kind of credibility which is already broken for sure. You are admitting that staff allowed an RMT case and not only that, You banned many people for the same situation  and now you come with this explanation. This is pretty clear I think and is clear what is happening here for sure too.

     

    I know you guys are trying to do the best but this is unfair for all the other people who were already banned for RMT unfair or not the ban. 

     

    You already admit that RMT IS OK IF YOU ARE SCAMMED so You can pay for it and If you are scammed You are a victim and will receive no punishment even If you search for that  deal and paid for that. 

     

    I will wait again for your reply. I suggest again to continue with this in PM's to avoid any kind of extra drama. Up to you guys.

     

    Greetings and have an excellent night / morning.

    Ban appeal system

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    31 minutes ago, Kupokun said:

    RMT is straight up banned, end of story. 
    Better safe then sorry because %90 of them will make a ban appeal so they can review it further regardless.
     

    Quoting this once again. Ban appeal is useless and is not to prove u are inocent like Desu said above. For what I saw today is not straight up banneable or at least not for all players. 

    Ban appeal system

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    17 minutes ago, FighterChamp said:

    Well Just to Clarify A SGM Banned All My Alt By Himself/Herself though I was his/her Friend. And Then Said Me In Discord that It Was me -.-

    It wasn't RMT, But Still there is no profit of being Friends with SGM. 

    Hello!!

    Sorry to hear that but I'm still thinking is diferent with every player. The stuff i sent already is a proof about that. SORRY AGAIN1! 

    Ban appeal system

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    24 minutes ago, Kupokun said:

    Speaking from experience of having a 7-day Ban with the reason of "Scam" & had the provided proof otherwise & getting approved after further reviewing, I can ensure you they do check all of them. 
    Having any connection with staff is merely a friendship | small talk | Catching up & that's it. 
    When it comes down to doing their job, they can't be biased.. no matter how well they know someone, even within the staff ranks included they get the same treatment if they did something wrong.

    RMT is straight up banned, end of story. 
    Better safe then sorry because %90 of them will make a ban appeal so they can review it further regardless.
     

    I think u didn't paid atention about the post. I know much people will try to clarify about being friends of a SGM have nothing to do about having favour about being banned or not.

    Someone already spoke about that too above. I'm speaking about a curious situation happened in few weeks ago with proofs in hand. Is not empty talk. I even quote a bit of that that conversation say. A confession of RMT to a SGM and asking for not being banned for that. Clearly against the rules. 

     

    They don't check ban appeal and that's a reality. You can ask around mmo community and will tell you If they pay atention or not to ban appeals.

     

    Ban appeal system is kinda bad. Players dont get same treatment aswell. You were lucky they checked ur appeal but other players are not lucky like you. 

    Thank you for talking about your own experience kupo but I think is not the same with all the players. 

    Ban appeal system

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    1 minute ago, Desu said:

    Did you even read my reply? Ban appeals are not a place to argue your innocence, they are a place for oversight and review of bans and for us to be able to inquire about specific actions taken.

     

    I can assure you we do review evidence in every appeal.

    Sorry yes I did. But if the actual staff dont read the evidence and all the player bring them then it's kinda impossible. Thats why im talking ban appeal system.

     

    2 minutes ago, Desu said:

    i'm confused as to why you haven't sent it already if you have more proof. Send me everything you have via PMs.

    I already sent you all in your pm in your forum account. We can continue there to avoid any other drama if you like. You can close this post if it's better too. 

    Ban appeal system

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    10 minutes ago, Desu said:

    This isn't a full response, it's only my initial thoughts.

     

    First of all, to address your complaints about being being banned "unfairly", you can't provide proof you didn't do something. You can provide all the proof in the world that you had some legitimate transactions and exclude the parts you don't want to admit. Everyone claims to be innocent, points to a few things they think clears them while pretending there was nothing else. We do not publicly discuss bans, so users feel impunity to claim their innocence without fear of being called out.

     

    Ban appeals are not a place to argue your innocence, they are a place for oversight and review of bans and for us to be able to inquire about specific actions taken.

     

    I haven't had a chance to look into the other claims yet, but one thing I can say is a player claiming to be a friend of staff doesn't actually mean they have a personal relationship with a staff member. This particular member in question is not friends with any SGM, even if he claims to.

     

     

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    I can even dig a bit more (I already done it) Around all this kind of situations. irregular stuff on their choices taken about RMT bans. I have more proofs about the actual situation

     

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    Ban appeal system

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    Posted · Edited by Xigbar

    7 minutes ago, Desu said:

    This isn't a full response, it's only my initial thoughts.

     

    First of all, to address your complaints about being being banned "unfairly", you can't provide proof you didn't do something. You can provide all the proof in the world that you had some legitimate transactions and exclude the parts you don't want to admit. Everyone claims to be innocent, points to a few things they think clears them while pretending there was nothing else. We do not publicly discuss bans, so users feel impunity to claim their innocence without fear of being called out.

     

    Ban appeals are not a place to argue your innocence, they are a place for oversight and review of bans and for us to be able to inquire about specific actions taken.

     

    I haven't had a chance to look into the other claims yet, but one thing I can say is a player claiming to be a friend of staff doesn't actually mean they have a personal relationship with a staff member. This particular member in question is not friends with any SGM, even if he claims to.

     

     

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    The proofs I sent you have clear RMT and a SGM not punishing that even if he lost money too. That's not excuse. Like SGM say all the time.

    RULES ARE RULES. 

    PD: They don't even bother to check any ban appeal or evidence so like I said in the post. We need a better ban appeal system or people who can follow the ban reasons. 

    Ban appeal system

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    Posted · Edited by Xigbar

    8 minutes ago, Desu said:

    This isn't a full response, it's only my initial thoughts.

     

    First of all, to address your complaints about being being banned "unfairly", you can't provide proof you didn't do something. You can provide all the proof in the world that you had some legitimate transactions and exclude the parts you don't want to admit. Everyone claims to be innocent, points to a few things they think clears them while pretending there was nothing else. We do not publicly discuss bans, so users feel impunity to claim their innocence without fear of being called out.

     

    Ban appeals are not a place to argue your innocence, they are a place for oversight and review of bans and for us to be able to inquire about specific actions taken.

     

    I haven't had a chance to look into the other claims yet, but one thing I can say is a player claiming to be a friend of staff doesn't actually mean they have a personal relationship with a staff member. This particular member in question is not friends with any SGM, even if he claims to.

     

     

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    THANK YOU FOR THE PADORU!!!

    I sent you proofs in ur private in forums about this situation. Proofs are directly about Staff ignoring and not punishing RMT.

     

    Ban appeal system

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    Posted · Edited by Xigbar

    Just to add. If a SGM just ignored the RMT i mentioned above I think you should re check the last RMT cases from the last 2 months. At least. You don't know what can u find there. 

    Pd: I have the proofs about the SGM if needed too. 

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    Ban appeal system

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    Hello mmo community & staff members

     

    First of all, I wish you are having an excellent day full of health and fun. I wanna clarify that this is not a Ban appeal & I'm not banned. This is a topic to talk about How SGM usually judge ban's and ban appeals 

     

    I know that must be hard to make this game "Healthy" with the kind of people who usually join the game. But talking seriously lately I watched a wave of bans for "RMT" some are friends and other ones just randoms.

     

    I took the work of investigating a bit about the situation and I found something interesting about this. I saw that many of the players banned were banned unfairly. Most of them got proof about they didn't make the RMT. Most of them just give money to their friends' other ones just kept the mons and money from players who quit the game and after a week or 2 weeks He returned to the game and He gave back their stuff. The players I'm talking about showed to the SGM the proofs about this misunderstanding but the SGM rejected to even show up the proofs about RMT to them which is weird cause If it's true SGM don't need to share to all the server the proofs of why They are banning someone but I think at least they must show the proofs to the players with the punishment and they didn't do that, They never showed up the proofs to them. 

     

    I watched something curious about this situation too. A case of RMT happened last month in November. The player bought a valuable item with in real life money. The player who has done this wasn't banned and is playing free without any kind of punishment. This is not the issue at all. The real issue and is kinda a worrying situation is that one of the SGM knew about this situation via Discord and he just does what this guy asked for "I hoped in a sense you'd help me out a last time. Maybe turn an eye".

     

    The SGM answer was the next one "cause You lost something you will not be banned". This is just a resumed answer which I think is enough. Having knowledge about RMT and not banning that for a SGM is kinda bad. So If I do RMT and lose something and confess to an SGM. I will have no punishment and will be able to play free even if I hurt the game and I broke the rules? 

     

    The SGM suppose to act fair and square without any preference. They suppose to be fair judges under the ban situation and more in RMT situation. I wanna ask something directly to @Squirtle & @Kyu. RMT suppose to be an instant ban. Why this player wasn't banned and forced to do the ban appeal like any other player? Being a friend of an SGM is proof enough to not be banned? I'm showing up this situation cause is kinda unfair, is against the rules and hurts the game They suppose to apply the same judgment to all the players not only a few ones. 

     

    In my opinion, the SGM must re-think how they judge the ban appeal. We have clearly innocent players with proofs and even witnesses who are permabanned just cause they are not SGM friend.

     

    I know this may cost me a ban from forums or warning but This must be showed up to have a better ban appeal system. I know SGM are not gods and can make mistakes like happened in the past but Watching the mistake and refuse to change even having the proofs and witnesses about that is kinda bad. I suggest to before to reject a ban appeal read all the proofs the players send to you. Like a friend told me a long time ago "The really smart people use to recognize a mistake" I know you are smart enough and will rewatch the last cases of RMT where some players are innocent.

     

    You guys are hurting the game just banning the players who have a lot of money for any silly reason and players who ADMIT in front of you the RMT are free without any kind of punishment. 

     

    I hope for a reply about this situation or an explanation at least which is What am i looking for. Please take more serious the bans appeals. Avoid ban appeals from players who just wanna really know why that happen is bad. 

    The Official Tournament of Power 600M+ (Sunday, 20th December)

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    Posted · Edited by Xigbar

    35 minutes ago, ThinkNicer said:

    What's the meaning of 'captain' if you are basing it on who is the best OU player of your team, not who is the best overall leader.

    The captain must be someone who have knowledge of all tiers so then He can make the subs too and can help their team mates. 

    I don't see why a captain can't play Ou and I don't see why a player can't help (coach) other player in this kind of tournaments. Is a "fast tournament" Trying to avoid coaching in this kind of events is kinda impossible. 

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