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I'd rather say that it's banned for unhealthy characteristics because sleep powder is disgusting. imo Roserade is nowhere near uber offensive

Doubles and LC should be excluded from manager choices. This, or make it OUx2, UUx2, NUx2, Dubsx1, LCx1 and 0 MC Countries with a smaller playerbase will struggle to find 2 relevant Doubles and LC players

I don't believe that stalls would struggle vs specs Roserade at all. They all use Bronzor+Golbat, some use Audino, some use Skuntank. Audino would switch on any Roserade move, check the move it gets locked on and switch on the counter while proccing regenerator. And you'd need 2 different hidden powers to threaten Bronzor and Skuntank. Magneton does not work vs Bronzor, so you can't just use hpground + Magneton and get away with it. There are just too many flaws really. For a choice locked set to be too overwhelming I believe it needs to have its moves very spammable which means that its checks and counters should get heavily pressured by switching on a stab. For example, specs dracometeor Hydrei's power was absurd, it would always force any of your counters to heal and would annihilate your checks, like dealing 60% on a bulky Scizor. Prediction was needless. Entei is or has been arguably overwhelming with its CB set because of how nothing likes to switch on Sacred Fire and get burned, that move is the definition of spammable : clicking it is very low-risk high-reward. Roserade cannot do that. Your specs Roserade cannot afford to Leaf Storm into Golbat/Bronzor/Escavalier and deal 15%, or even 0% if you click Sludge bomb. Grass+poison stab combination is absolutely not spammable. Overall I think specs Roserade is very inferior to lifeorb.

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There you go, see, you could simply have answered my original post asking for specific sets with the lifeorb set instead of barking. What 4 moves are you suggesting? You have to make a choice in the builder. Hpground can be nice but that won't work against Bronzor/Escavalier/Durant. Feel free to think that Escavalier is unviable because of some fire types, if you don't even consider Escavalier being playable I'm not surprised you have difficulties beating Roserade. contrary to what you think I have played some NU games recently, with a Roserade team. It's a great mon but it didn't nearly feel as overwhelming as people claim it is. 90 speed is cute but I often found myself forced out by faster threats like Arcanine Durant Sharpedo Ninjask Zoroark Alakazam Froslass Drapion Scarfblaziken Moltres, or bulkier threats like AV Eelektross or Gallade. My set was more of a utility one, with blacksludge/spikes so it obviously didn't feel like it had absurd raw power. I admit I'm not that active in NU yet I'm doing my best to keep up with the meta changes. I see you enjoy spamming that thread so surely you must be very active, yet I don't even see your name in the top 100 NU ladder (20 games is enough to get in there), and I didn't see you entering an NU tournament in the past 2 weeks.

Oh don't worry I did read these posts of yours : Specs is very flawed because both of its stabs are not spammable at all and also leaves Roserade vulnerable to pursuit traps from Skuntank/Escavalier/Drapion. You are not going to convince me that Roserade is broken by telling me that specs is overwhelming. It is false. I made my post with genuine interest as of why the majority of the posters in that thread are adamant about Roserade being broken. Hopefully the next people that will answer me won't have the same little condescending attitude as you.

Currently, the Roserade ban vote is still ongoing. I have played Roserade in NU recently and watched some tournament games and I don't feel like Roserade is banworthy again. It's definitely a top-tier mon, but I fail to see how it is too much for the tier. Is there any set that might be too much for the tier to handle? I have seen specs Roserade being mentionned and that set is very flawed. Or is there any tournament replay I should look into that illustrates how Roserade is overwhelming ? I have looked for one and couldn't find one.

It's crazy to state that Rotom Slowbro and Mantine only rose to UU because of Lucario. As if they would be completely unviable in UU if not for Lucario? As if threats like Togekiss/Entei/rain were not a thing? The fact that these 3 moved up to UU shows that there is indeed room for new ideas and innovations. Lucario is very centralizing, yet I don't think it is necessarily unhealthy. Lucario does not invalidate any playstyle, and it is not mandatory to have a Lucario in your team for it to be viable. It has forced the playerbase to adapt, and from what I can read they are not happy about that. Personally I have enjoyed recent UU much more than pre-Lucario UU. Although I'm not so glad about it it looks like Tangrowth is also about to drop to UU to give yet another Lucario check. There is more than a dozen of them in the tier at the moment. Looking forward to Chandelure dropping in the following months as Heatran's arrival in OU definitely burried Chandelure's viability up there.

Big no. Even if we add fairies. What are fairies going to change anyway? There would be like 3 good fairies in OU. Their presence wouldn't be near enough to justify such a change. And what about the fairy-gens typing adjustments on steel? Would we buff Knock Off AND make it neutral on Steel type ? When mons like Tyranitar have access to Knock Off? Even without the changes to the typing, most fighting types would become unbearable to switch around. And this move would be so stupidly good that all mons that have access to it (a lot of them have since the recent gens move updates) would just use it most of the time. I am not sure why this is being suggested tbh.

Although I'm very confused as of why Gliscor was sent against a +6 Poliwrath instead of a scarf Magnezone, if that 15 turns-long battle is all the evidence provided, it is clearly not enough to judge

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It has only been 4 days and I don't think anything should get quickbanned anytime soon, especially not Togekiss. Togekiss is nowhere near as centralizing as Lucario right now. No it can't. Unless you would let him calm mind 3 times for free but I trust you won't; Raikou would just win by spamming tbolt and Togekiss will run out of roosts well yeah I mean that's what Togekiss is all about, destroying slower teams. That argument sounds the same as "Blissey is too good because it tanks all special attacks in the game" for example. Sounds a bit silly to me Sounds scary indeed. But I think the reason why people would mostly use the slow bulky setup sets is because it's simply much better. Much more consistent, much more useful. I assume you would drop heal bell to fit in one of its coverage moves? You really don't want your Togekiss to lose the duel against Blissey or lose to toxic in general. It usually can't afford running coverage moves for that reason, unless you're using a scarf Togekiss which would still lose to the usual stuff (Raikou RotomHeat and friends) Don't get me wrong, Togekiss is great, but I believe it's much more limited than what people tend to think. Now speaking of my own experience, I have been enjoying the new UU very much. I'm not so sure what to think of Lucario so far : very limited by 4mss, it doesn't easily get an opportunity to setup and lifeorb recoil helps a lot to play around it. Hippo and Sableye seem to be the best counters to it, and your team will probably be weak to atleast 1 Lucario set if you don't use one of these 2. I found Staraptor surprisingly underwhelming and I don't even think the team I've been using is particularly good against it. And for some reason, out of 25ish games so far I have only faced Haxorus twice so idk yet Looking forward to play more UU

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