Andykillua

I never played or liked LC but seeing how the competitive community for that tier grew in the last years and how much people enjoy it, I think it would be a really good move to implement it back at least for a testing period (and I believe it would be a success, resulting in permanent support).

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Due to balancing changes, Water-type Hidden Ability Patches and Heart Scales have been delisted from the GTL for this update.
 
Additionally, previous versions of the changelog forgot to mention that Johto's Gym Leader money rates have been fixed to match other regions.

Estoy de acuerdo con que vuelva la Tier LC Es una tier Bastante divertida y nos hemos mantenido Activos Torneos semanales y LCPL la mejor liga de LC 
Con todos sus tier ❤️

LC in PokeMMO history is a complicated case. I was there when LC was reintroduced and seen the hype it gathered but it never managed to keep the momentum and I was also there when it eventually died out. I have managed Yetto's Taillow Time back in my staff days for about 2 years from late 2018 to late 2020 and I've seen with my very own eyes the slow decline of LC. It went from easily filling 32-seat tour in the first months to barely filling them after a while, then when the decision was made to change them into 16-seat tour, it didn't take long before it also had issues filling seats. As time passed, little by little, the LC community kept shrinking in size until eventually staff pulled the plug. So what happened? What caused the downfall of LC? Was it inevitable? Could it have been prevented? Well I don't have all the answers and we will never really know for sure. I also don't think there's one reason in particular that caused the decline but I think these factors surely didn't help:
Absence of ranked matchmaking for LC; LC being overshadowed by other Tiers due it's gimmick and niche nature; Perhaps at the time there was a lack of official LC tournaments and support, which I think might be true; Perhaps at the time there was a slow decline in general player population between two major updates, which I also think might be true; Now it's been a few years since LC stopped being officially supported but has things really changed that much so that it would warrant its reintroduction? Here is what I can assess from my current and past observations :
Little Cup is a gimmick tier by nature and that will never change, as much as I appreciate LC it is much more of a gimmick than OU/UU/NU are and poses a challenge when it comes to attracting new players. OU attracts the majority of players and especially new players. It has a sets of extensive rules and bans other tiers don't which might be less appealing; Little Cup is very niche, it's rarely the first pick choice for any newcomers, they tend to go with the most played tier. It's usually played by relatively old or experienced player. Building around LC was much more difficult to beginners due to how stats are calculated and all. However, although still underground, there is now a fully dedicated server (LCPL) with guides and stat calculator and with its members offering assistance as well. It's still is a niche but it’s much more approachable; Little Cup was never given the same opportunities as the other tiers, it never had matchmaking and thus it never stood a chance. We will never know if it could have been sustainable with a MM system. (I personally think it would have not made much a difference but I'm ready to be proven wrong, I've seen some players bring up that point which is only fair); Tournaments would fail to fill all seats even in prime time. It would fail to fill 32-seat tour and would fail to fill 16-seat tour. Now it regained attraction with LCPL which allows for better organization and management, plus introduction of hidden abilities helped for most tiers. Is that enough though, how long will it last? Hopefully long enough but it's not a certainty either; Little Cup died before because it didn't have enough new players joining in vs old player departing. Over time it just got barely sustainable. The lack of exposure surely didn't help, as well as everything mentioned above. I’m unsure if it would be significant however; Little Cup was and is a generally stable tier, Pokemon rarely get banned and usages rarely move. I say generally because addition of hidden abilities shuffled things up a bit but once it settles I can only assume that it will remain relatively stable. Most Pokemon from 5 years ago are still the most played in term of usage as of today. which is a good thing if you want to get into LC; While OU/UU/NU are much less stable tiers, pokemon from lower tiers can have other usages in upper tiers and vice versa when they eventually move down a tier. Same for doubles. LC in the other hand requires specific breeds of pokemon that gets used in LC solely. This comes with a cost, and given the choice, most players will sadly find it more practical to spend their resources elsewhere; The more matchmaking options there are, the more the competitive scene gets sparse. The addition of LC on top of already having OU/UU/NU/Doubles and Randoms wouldn't help LC. Honestly though I'd trade randbats for LC anytime because holy this is even more gimmicky and just a nuisance for other tiers; We don't really know how LC will be affected once the Johto hype fades out and months or years go by without major updates. For now it's only been great but how long till we see the effects. I think LC will be the first community impacted by a decrease in player population due to its relatively small playerbase. LC still has its issues and challenges for sure. Some that will never change no matter how we look at it. But I think if we do things differently this time around it might have a chance to work. There is a dedicated community that keeps it alive and well, although very small in comparison to official tiers but significant compared to other unofficial tiers. The tier has also more merits than Randbats too. In some ways I feel randbats robbed LC from ever having any other opportunities. Randoms will always outperform LC, heck I'm pretty sure it outperforms UU and NU because there are no comps requirement and is easily accessible (hence why I consider it a nuisance). With all things considered I think LC deserves another chance, with ALL the same chances as other tiers and NOT put aside as a lesser tier. Otherwise it is doomed to fail again.

A matchmaking ranked would be the best thing devs and staff dont need to care about it bcs no tournament, we already have a random battles as matchmaking and its not a tier so why not LC ? Also it would be easier for New player to learn by watching matchmaking and trying lc with a matchmaking since u Can play it anytime

We just need at least a Matchmaking ranked system for LC and that it, official tours can wait... exactly like Randoms in the game.

Hello! I am VelvetLlama. This is going to be my suggestion on bringing back the LC (Little Cup) tier Officially. I saw it was an Official Tier back Pre-2020. (Announcement was made stating they are ending the tier officially on Dec. 28th 2020) but I think enough time has passed and still see an active community in the Tier that it should be taken into consideration to bring it back. 
I have some reasons why I think we should bring it back officially. First one is because it is one of the unofficial formats that I have been seeing a lot about it again. We have the LCPL (Little Cup Premier League) tournaments that are held yearly with HUGE prize-pools, the PokeMMO World Cups, and also the LC club weekly tournaments. Along with the Recent Patrouski Video on covering the Multiverse Tournament that is coming up has shed a lot of light onto the semi forgotten tier. 
 
There has been some discussion about dilemmas and solutions of the tier in previous topics that are on the forums. Like example, “The LC tier had a lot of bans and even ability bans (Download). Devs do not like tiers with a lot of bans.” The most likely problem is that tiers with high ban-lists are difficult to control. So a solution is simple: Leave the LC still under the control of the LC Club. What club leaders or moderators of the club can do is notify the devs in case of Bans on the monthly movement thread when the next one opens like I assume the tier council already does for the other tiers. The LC tier did not have a large player base because devs did not give us LC matchmaking, so that's an easy fix as well. Will they most likely have a smaller player-base on start? Yes, I believe that it's normal with any introduction of something new. But the player-base will increase with time, especially when most lucrative tours are on LC, so a lot of players will want to play and go for these prizes. Like the Multiverse Tournament stated above. I don’t think it would impact the other tiers at all. As they all already have a decent player base. Some might say that The LC tier didn't have a very versatile meta-game and was always defined by very high usage mons that usually ended up banned. But isnt that how OU is currently is to a point? Take example Gallade and the sharpness ability. Was brought in, Banned instantly due to how overpowered it was and its usage, and now it has been nerfed hard. Each Tier has its ups and downs but overall I think bringing back this Tier officially would be a good thing for alot of people as it brings a more unique experience with PokeMMO and its PvP.

Sources:
https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/150842-little-cup-dilemma-possible-reasons-for-its-removal-and-possible-solutions/#comment-1947382
https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/131653-deprecation-of-little-cup-tier/#comment-1768413
https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/157378-the-official-multiverse-tournament-of-power-1billion-prize-poolsunday-5-november/
https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/150666-wc-6-pokemmo-world-cup-6th-edition-general-thread-july-23rd-2023-to-october-29th-2023/
https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/158552-pvp-where-to-play-little-cup/#comment-2012319
https://forums.pokemmo.com/index.php?/topic/158551-lc-little-cup-weekly-tournaments/#comment-2012312

ING: Killuacuba
Team: Cuba

hope that once and for all they are complacent and in the next update they add rank Lc and the old tournaments that were held in this tier, a lot of players despite the fact that you wanted to bury it continue to play it and a lot more will play it if they install it how it has to be.


Espero que de una vez y por todas sean complacientes y en la siguiente actualización agreguen rank Lc y los antiguos torneos que se efectuaban de esta tier, montón de jugadores a pesar de que ustedes la quisieron enterrar la siguen jugando y montón más la jugarán si la instalan como tiene que ser.

hope that once and for all they are complacent and in the next update they add rank Lc and the old tournaments that were held in this tier, a lot of players despite the fact that you wanted to bury it continue to play it and a lot more will play it if they install it how it has to be.
 
Espero que de una vez y por todas sean complacientes y en la siguiente actualización agreguen rank Lc y los antiguos torneos que se efectuaban de esta tier, montón de jugadores a pesar de que ustedes la quisieron enterrar la siguen jugando y montón más la jugarán si la instalan como tiene que ser.
 
 
 
 

hope that once and for all they are complacent and in the next update they add rank Lc and the old tournaments that were held in this tier, a lot of players despite the fact that you wanted to bury it continue to play it and a lot more will play it if they install it how it has to be.


Espero que de una vez y por todas sean complacientes y en la siguiente actualización agreguen rank Lc y los antiguos torneos que se efectuaban de esta tier, montón de jugadores a pesar de que ustedes la quisieron enterrar la siguen jugando y montón más la jugarán si la instalan como tiene que ser.

hope that once and for all they are complacent and in the next update they add rank Lc and the old tournaments that were held in this tier, a lot of players despite the fact that you wanted to bury it continue to play it and a lot more will play it if they install it how it has to be.
 
Espero que de una vez y por todas sean complacientes y en la siguiente actualización agreguen rank Lc y los antiguos torneos que se efectuaban de esta tier, montón de jugadores a pesar de que ustedes la quisieron enterrar la siguen jugando y montón más la jugarán si la instalan como tiene que ser.
 
 
 
 

IGN: Killuacuba
Tiers: OU-LC
Discord Contact: Killuacuba #6849

In-Game Name: Killuacuba
Country: Cuba
Tiers: OU
Discord Tag: Killuacuba #6849

In-Game Name: Killuacuba
Country: Cuba
Tiers: OU
Discord Tag: Killuacuba #6849

[HDLM] CUMPLE CUATRO AÑOS! 
 
Con motivo de celebrar el cuarto aniversario de nuestro team, queremos nuevamente invitar a todos a nuestro torneo. Esperamos contar con la mayor participacion posible, asi como lograr pasar un momento entretenido tal como el año pasado. 
Solo que esta vez haremos 3 eventos en lugar de 1! 
En primer lugar tendremos un tag team de 5 jugadores, y ademas del tag haremos un torneo metronomo y un evento de captura, esto orientado a que los jugadores que no consigan equipo o que gusten mas del PVE puedan participar tambien.
 

 
TAG TEAM
 
FECHA: 01/05/2021 (Sabado 01 de Mayo de 2021)
 
HORA: 19hs BST - 15hs Hora Argentina - 20hs Hora España. 
 
LUGAR: Pueblo Caelestis, Sinnoh, CH1
 
  TIER: 
Contaran las 5 tiers para el torneo, OU, UU, NU, Dubs y LC.
 
MODALIDAD DEL TORNEO: 
SERA UN TORNEO POR EQUIPOS: 
Cada equipo registrara 5 jugadores como minimo, con opcion de incluir un sustituto. 
Los equipos seran libres, cada uno puede armar su equipo como mas le parezca, no necesitan ser del mismo equipo en el juego. 
Los equipos anotados NO PODRAN MODIFICARSE LUEGO DE INICIADO EL TORNEO. Una vez que esten anotados en el challonge y los brackets armados, la inscripcion y tiempo de modificacion de equipos quedan cerrados.
Al no poder modificarse los equipos, si uno de los jugadores necesita retirarse durante el torneo y el equipo no tiene suplente NO PODRA INCLUIR UN SUSTITUTO, por lo que ese equipo debera dar una win al equipo rival y jugar solo 4 tiers, a eleccion del equipo perjudicado. 
Todo el torneo se hara a traves de challonge.com, y este sera publico para todos los participantes.
Las inscripciones se cerraran una hora antes del inicio del torneo,  18hs BST - 14hs Hora Argentina - 19hs Hora España.
En el caso de que alguno busque equipo puede utilizar este mismo post para buscar compañeros.
PREMIO de 18m al equipo ganador y 3m al 2ndo lugar.
 

 
TORNEO METRONOMO
FECHA: 01/05/2021 (Sabado 01 de Mayo de 2021)
 
HORA: 19hs BST - 15hs Hora Argentina - 20hs Hora España. 
 
LUGAR: Cueva de Pueblo Caelestis, Sinnoh, CH1
MODALIDAD DEL TORNEO: 
Los equipos seran de 6 pokes, no solo Togepis. 
Se peleara en modo torneo LC en pelea triple, con la clausula de especie unica activa, esto significa que deben buscar 6 pokes con metronomo.
Solo se podra usar metronomo y los pokes solo podran tener equipada una baya zanama.
Usar mofa, otra vez, anulacion o cualquier movimiento que cancele el metronomo resultara en un reinicio del duel, sin importar que ventaja pueda tener un jugador.
Todo el torneo se hara a traves de challonge.com, y este sera publico para todos los participantes.
Las inscripciones se cerraran una hora antes del inicio del torneo,  18hs BST - 14hs Hora Argentina - 19hs Hora España.
PREMIOS: 1.5m al ganador y 500k al 2ndo lugar!
 

EVENTO DE CAPTURA
 
FECHA: 01/05/2021 (Sabado 01 de Mayo de 2021)
 
HORA: 19hs BST - 15hs Hora Argentina - 20hs Hora España. (Una hora de duracion)
 
LUGAR: Ruta 211, Sinnoh, CH1
PUNTUACION: Suma total de IVs + Bonus de naturaleza = Puntuacion total!
POKEMON VALIDO PARA PUNTUACION: Meditite

Bonus de naturaleza:
Alegre +5
Firme +3
PREMIOS:
1er lugar:  Medicham comp lvl 50 + 1m
2ndo lugar: 500k
3er/4to lugar: 250k
REGLAS
Del 1er al 3er lugar se contaran las puntuaciones mas altas, mientras que el 4to lugar sera la puntuacion mas baja. Cada jugador solo puede enviar un Meditite como entrada valida.  Todos los pokes enviados deben ser capturados en la ruta y el horario del evento, y deberan ser OT. En caso de un empate de puntuacion el ganador se decidira segun el horario de captura, priorizando al primero.  
 
 
 
INSCRIPCIONES Y COSTO: 
0k.
Completamente gratuito. Las inscripciones estan abiertas a partir del momento de publicacion de este post, pudiendo anotarse aca en este post.
Por motivos de organizacion como maximo se aceptaran 32 equipos para el tag team y 32 participantes para el torneo metronomo (Por determinar).
 
Para cualquier duda o consulta que se tenga pueden escribirnos ingame a NagaHex, RealDevilLegend o zMago.
Si alguien quiere aportar algo para los premios, todo lo que envien por correo a la cuenta "BancoHDLM" sera añadido.
 
 

ESPERAMOS CONTAR CON SU PARTICIPACION!
 
Teams (Tag team) (24/32):

Participantes (Metronomo) (7/32):

TRADUCCION / TRANSLATE:
 

@Munya I have a proposal: 

1) you change this event from a 64 players tournament to a 256 players tournament
2) if the tournament completely fills, you guys have to keep LC as an official tier;
     if the tournament doesn't fill completely, you guys get the community support (even if you don't really need it) to shut down LC for good.

If LC is indeed dying and the participation rate is unsustainably low, you guys really would have nothing to lose while us LC players risk losing our very last LC tournament (if we don't reach the minimum quota of 128 players) just to prove you wrong xD