[Denied]Change GameCorner payouts

[Darkshade]

[quote name='shadowjrg2' timestamp='1365635671' post='277705']
>RNG
>Skill

Choose one
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Yeah... that's exactly the point.


[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365635617' post='277702']
FACT: Most players want the game corner to be at least an easier grind than it is right now.
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I'm sure they do, and that will come in due time, making it easier now will be screwing our payout times in the future over.

[deered]

[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365635617' post='277702']
If it weren't for the players, there wouldn't be a game in the first place.

FACT: Most players want the game corner to be at least an easier grind than it is right now.
[/quote]

I understand the players are important overall. But, I think everyone needs to understand this game isn't a payed service. And complaining isn't going to help either.

[shadowjrg2]

ITT: Darkshade acting like a developer,and his word is final

[Patrick]

[quote name='shadowjrg2' timestamp='1365636333' post='277743']
ITT: Darkshade acting like a developer,and his word is final
[/quote]

Darkshade doesn't have to be a developer to answer the question.

[skazord]

[quote name='deered' timestamp='1365635814' post='277712']
I understand the players are important overall. But, I think everyone needs to understand this game isn't a payed service. And complaining isn't going to help either.
[/quote]

How is it complaining? The community gave multiple suggestions and asked plenty of times before to change or at least improve the current system. All we get is a "soon we'll have other stuff, so we can't change what we have now". How soon is soon? 1 month? 6 months? Because in that time frame, you'll be losing players every day, players that get bored because nothing changes, even though the whole community is asking for it.

You didn't see me complaining, you saw me giving a constructive suggestion that apparently a lot of people supported right away. There's a good reason for that too.

[Darkshade]

[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365637014' post='277785']
How soon is soon?
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No idea, but coming up with alternate suggestions when we've said were going to give you alternate games to play in the game corner, does not mean we'll be implementing those methods in a faster way than we would making a new game.

In other words is the same as asking for an ETA on an update, we cannot give one, but we have said we will indeed implement an update, so you just need to have a little patience.

[skazord]

[quote name='Darkshade' timestamp='1365637305' post='277798']
No idea, but coming up with alternate suggestions when we've said were going to give you alternate games to play in the game corner, does not mean we'll be implementing those methods in a faster way than we would making a new game.

In other words is the same as asking for an ETA on an update, we cannot give one, but we have said we will indeed implement an update, so you just need to have a little patience.
[/quote]

When the community is massively unhappy about something, I'd say it should be a priority to you guys, or at least get a temporary solution that will make the community happier.

Usually, I'm not for simplifying or making content easier. But right now, this content isn't helping. It's not fun. The community is not happy. If you don't want to deal with the problem, it'll create a bigger problem in the future.

And no, saying "we have stuff planned in the future" doesn't fix the problem. We still don't have anything. The problem is sitll there.

[AzizFTW]

[quote name='TheGloriousWalrus' timestamp='1365627693' post='277462'] +1 it still takes way too long to get one single TM. [/quote]

Talk about you; I just had to grind for one Iron tail + a HP, and gonna have to grind another HP.






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[Darkshade]

[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365638046' post='277825']
Usually, I'm not for simplifying or making content easier. But right now, this content isn't helping. It's not fun. The community is not happy. If you don't want to deal with the problem, it'll create a bigger problem in the future.
[/quote]

So will increasing Game Corner payout now, as it will permanently damage the value of those Game Corner prizes.

If you're saying you would like us to work on the other games sooner, then sure, I could understand why you might want it that way, but that's not for me to decide upon, and we have many other new features to work on at the same time.

[DoctorPBC]

[quote name='Darkshade' timestamp='1365638283' post='277835']
So will increasing Game Corner payout now, as it will permanently damage the value of those Game Corner prizes.

If you're saying you would like us to work on the other games sooner, then sure, I could understand why you might want it that way, but that's not for me to decide upon, and we have many other new features to work on at the same time.
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its a TM..... nobody gives 2 craps about the value

[skazord]

[quote name='Darkshade' timestamp='1365638283' post='277835']
So will increasing Game Corner payout now, as it will permanently damage the value of those Game Corner prizes.
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Change them later, when said alternatives come? Make it a temporary fix? Instead of 5 hours, it takes 2. Isn't the time sink still there? Isn't that what you want? It will still be anti-fun. But people might actually fell like doing it. While right now, people just go "I really want this, but the grind... fuck it, I'll just go with the worse option" or "fuck it, I'll just logout and leave". And guess which one people are going to do more and more each time, while we still don't have a solution?

[Munya]

It takes on average ~ an hour and 30 minutes to get any tm there with the exception of HP/Return/Frustration which take an additional 20-30 minutes, not 5.

[Darkshade]

[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365638461' post='277839']
Change them later, when said alternatives come? Make it a temporary fix? Instead of 5 hours, it takes 2. Isn't the time sink still there? Isn't that what you want? It will still be anti-fun. But people might actually fell like doing it. While right now, people just go "I really want this, but the grind... fuck it, I'll just go with the worse option" or "fuck it, I'll just logout and leave". And guess which one people are going to do more and more each time, while we still don't have a solution?
[/quote]

With an MMO and a system like this, you can't have a temporary solution such as that, because at that time, there will be a large influx of prizes in comparison to what it would be to when we changed it back, thus giving players who were playing around that time, a huge advantage.
And then to further this, I'm sure the playerbase wouldn't be very happy when we then bumped the payout back up.

[JennaPresley]

[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365638461' post='277839']
Change them later, when said alternatives come? Make it a temporary fix? Instead of 5 hours, it takes 2. Isn't the time sink still there? Isn't that what you want? It will still be anti-fun. But people might actually fell like doing it. While right now, people just go "I really want this, but the grind... fuck it, I'll just go with the worse option" or "fuck it, I'll just logout and leave". And guess which one people are going to do more and more each time, while we still don't have a solution?
[/quote]

Lol.....my brother got banned for saying that he doesn't like the Gamecorner by the mods. You have great ideas Skazord, but the runners of this game don't really care about the opinions of the community. You have guys giving walls of text, but nothing of substance in them.

I've had a few friends play this game and leave because of the endless grinding in every facet of the game. They were casual players....sure, but I remember a lot of them being excited for the Game corner and when it came out ten minutes later went "Ok this is incredibly lame" and leave the game.

I support anything to lessen the amount of time needed to play slots too. I'm starting to have a tough time selling EARTHQUAKE for game corner tms too.....a move that takes an ENTIRE playthrough on an alternate account. People want to play Pokemon so they don't mind the TM farming on alt accounts....but I havn't seen ANYONE except for mods/mod suckups actually say that they enjoy sitting there and playing the slots.

[JWingWangWong]

It's not like someone is putting a gun to your head to grind at slots. I'm just curious what other games are coming besides slots since the ones in two island required two players minimum and were just mini games not coin boosters.

[xBear]

It can take a very long time to get the required coins for the prize you want.[list]
[*]Increase payouts from slot[size=3]s.[/size]
[*][size=3]Decrease cost of prizes.[/size]
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At the same time, this will make the trade market crash. Maybe just a slight increase/decrease, not a large one.

Maybe the game corner could be opened on the Sevii islands, with different prizes and payouts?

[Munya]

[quote name='JennaPresley' timestamp='1365639195' post='277858']
mod suckups actually say that they enjoy sitting there and playing the slots.
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Oh shit you found me out.

[Lios]

All I want is an increase in the amount of coins we can have, and possibly the option to buy certain natures for the casino Pokemon, of course the better nature, the more expensive it would be, but its something I would like, considering how much a grind the GC is.

[Demando]

i agree with this, at least double the payouts for everything except for the 777 and RRR (i know it's already doubled from the original game but still needs more)

[shadowjrg2]

[quote name='Patrick' timestamp='1365636733' post='277766']
Darkshade doesn't have to be a developer to answer the question.
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i never said he couldn't answer the question
and also
just for you to see, i want any of you CM/GMs that disagree with us to go to Gc and just TRY to grind to 9999 coins
then tell us we will never get an update to the payouts before any other games come out

[Skeletor]

[quote name='shadowjrg2' timestamp='1365643458' post='277958']
i never said he couldn't answer the question
and also
just for you to see, i want any of you CM/GMs that disagree with us to go to Gc and just TRY to grind to 9999 coins
then tell us we will never get an update to the payouts before any other games come out
[/quote]

Don't forget 9999 coins only gets you 2 4000 tms or 1 6000 tm, that is several hours of grinding for 1 or maybe 2 move sets, and when you have upwards of 20 competitive Pokemon, it gets extremely tedious.

[Munya]

win [url="https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/18401-%E2%9C%A3-the-sayounara-tournament-ii-%E2%9C%A3/"]https://forums.pokem...ournament-ii-✣/[/url] and 30k worth of coins in tm's in a fraction of that time.

[Nebula]

[quote name='Darkshade' timestamp='1365638873' post='277850']
With an MMO and a system like this, you can't have a temporary solution such as that, because at that time, there will be a large influx of prizes in comparison to what it would be to when we changed it back, thus giving players who were playing around that time, a huge advantage.
And then to further this, I'm sure the playerbase wouldn't be very happy when we then bumped the payout back up.
[/quote]

You're forgetting that TMs disappear once used. The prizes will also die out on inactive accounts just like everything else does.

I've barely used the game corner because I find it to be boring to the point where it's uncompromisable. When I spend almost 2 hours hitting only 2 buttons to finally purchase a shit pokemon, it makes me never wanna use that content again. You can understand where we're coming from right?


[quote name='Darkshade' timestamp='1365638873' post='277850']
And then to further this, I'm sure the playerbase wouldn't be very happy when we then bumped the payout back up.
[/quote]

lol so you're worried about the playerbase being happy [i]then [/i]but not [i]now?[/i]

[CipherWeston]

[quote name='skazord' timestamp='1365637014' post='277785']
How is it complaining? The community gave multiple suggestions and asked plenty of times before to change or at least improve the current system. All we get is a "soon we'll have other stuff, so we can't change what we have now". How soon is soon? 1 month? 6 months? Because in that time frame, you'll be losing players every day, players that get bored because nothing changes, even though the whole community is asking for it.
[/quote]
Honestly, I left the game for like a week back in the middle of February because of the Game Corner getting boring extremely quickly. It took me almost three days to get Porygon, once I got it, I was like "yay... what do I do now?"

[spoiler]Thought I'd share this information with everyone.[/spoiler]

[BatmanBeyond]

[quote name='CipherWeston' timestamp='1365648877' post='278116']
"yay... what do I do now?"
[/quote]
Take a bath with it.
Doubling the coins you get from RRR and 777 should be one of the best ways to make a difference. The grind is still there but you get more rewards.