ThinkNice Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Is knock off still banned since we are using gen IV now? No. Also I'll be quickbanning Salamence now ktnx. Salamence is banned. The other two suspects remain. Link to comment
Senile Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 No. Also I'll be quickbanning Salamence now ktnx. Salamence is banned. The other two suspects remain. Pls, everyone knows Senile is the super chocolately fudge coated senior tier meister general, let me handle this. Salamence is now quickbanned from the test. [spoiler]it's not official until it's bold.[/spoiler] Noad, fredrichnietze, BurntZebra and 1 other 4 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I mean, I was originally gonna use Dragonite, but Intimidate is so good in a meta where everyone's team is physically attacking, and it outspeeds Dragonite in case anyone runs it, AND can speedtie other mences. Dragonite is just /slightly/ outclassed. intimidate also allows magneton to come in on forretress and not die to an earthquake which is the main reason i wanted to run salamence, although not having a 120 base power fighting move hurts a bit with salamence Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I got a question. Isn't one of the things that keeps the dragons at bay are gen 4 moves like stealth rocks? I could be wrong but wouldn't it be wise to test with those moves first or are we planning on not getting them? Is that the reason for this order? Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I got a question. Isn't one of the things that keeps the dragons at bay are gen 4 moves like stealth rocks? I could be wrong but wouldn't it be wise to test with those moves first or are we planning on not getting them? Is that the reason for this order? well salamence did get banned in gen 4 so I don't know what youre getting at, I don't think implementing stealth rock would be improving the theory meta at this point, also does anyone want to have a split duel? Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 well salamence did get banned in gen 4 so I don't know what youre getting at, I don't think implementing stealth rock would be improving the theory meta at this point, also does anyone want to have a split duel? So we can say it got banned there but when we said it wasn't banned in gen 3 and we had it banned here that arargument was irelevabt? If we're doing this right I think that should be tested. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199537950 Salamence-less match between Zebra and I. Take Home: Dragonite wasn't as effective for either team as compared to Salamence, the trapping system was still too good. Link to comment
Robofiend Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199537950 Salamence-less match between Zebra and I. Take Home: Dragonite wasn't as effective for either team as compared to Salamence, the trapping system was still too good. rofl that first turn Starmie kill Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 rofl that first turn Starmie kill I planned that out quite well. Higher level plays. Link to comment
codylramey Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 No. Also I'll be quickbanning Salamence now ktnx. Salamence is banned. The other two suspects remain. Okay seems reasonable not even mad. Pls, everyone knows Senile is the super chocolately fudge coated senior tier meister general, let me handle this. Salamence is now quickbanned from the test. [spoiler]it's not official until it's bold.[/spoiler] WTF WE BARELY HAD A CHANCE TO TEST HIM. Srsly senile why do you want to ban EVERYTHING. You just want the meta to be a 6 wall stall fest. Robofiend and fredrichnietze 2 Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yeah banning mence this fast. Can't wait for no offense with just different moves taken place. Back to wall and stall we go . Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yeah banning mence this fast. Can't wait for no offense with just different moves taken place. Back to wall and stall we go . Don't be so negative brah Link to comment
DoctorPBC Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199622833 me and ywreck gave it a shot. Tyranitar - Pretty darn good but can easily be taken down Gengar - Would have been better if it nailed the WoW Magneton - Would have been better if it trapped something Swampert - Godly physical wall but cant handle gyarados and lack of reliable recovery hurts Forretress - Shit Blissey - Slightly less shit DoubleJ and Noad 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199622833 me and ywreck gave it a shot. Tyranitar - Pretty darn good but can easily be taken down Gengar - Would have been better if it nailed the WoW Magneton - Would have been better if it trapped something Swampert - Godly physical wall but cant handle gyarados and lack of reliable recovery hurts Forretress - Shit Blissey - Slightly less shit Laying spikes is hard, but once you get them down, taking them off is just as hard. Edited January 4, 2015 by DoubleJJ Link to comment
Rache Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The PTS would probably be the best place to test the mechanics since it's 100% accurate (there's no sandstorm boost, certain moves are buffed, etc)~ You can make a team in minutes using commands, although EVs would have to be done through vitamins (doesn't cap at 100 anymore) and Pokemon would have to be manually caught (but quickly and easily modified into comps). Items can be spawned for you. /debuggivemoney <value> /debugsetability /debugsetlevel <party slot id> <value> (Party Slot ID = 0-5) /debugsetnature /debugsetskill /debugsetivs <party slot id> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> (Party Slot ID = 0-5, Order for IVs in this command is: HP ATK DEF SPEED SPATK SPDEF) Noad 1 Link to comment
DoctorPBC Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The PTS would probably be the best place to test the mechanics since it's 100% accurate (there's no sandstorm boost, certain moves are buffed, etc)~ You can make a team in minutes using commands, although EVs would have to be done through vitamins and Pokemon would have to be manually caught (but quickly and easily modified into comps). Items can be spawned for you. /debuggivemoney <value> /debugsetability /debugsetlevel <party slot id> <value> (Party Slot ID = 0-5) /debugsetnature /debugsetskill /debugsetivs <party slot id> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> <0-31> (Party Slot ID = 0-5, Order for IVs in this command is: HP ATK DEF SPEED SPATK SPDEF) I tried and then realised I still had to do all 8 gyms. Spawn me 8 badges and ill do it DoubleJ, felix and Arkhelien 3 Link to comment
DoctorPBC Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199628114 did another battle, tried some new stuff out Hitmontop - Surprisingly very good, intimidate and solid bulk make it scary for snorlax and t-tar and swampert cant do too much to touch it Tyranitar - Didnt use Gengar - Had a better shift, takes swampert to the cleaners, nice t-tar partner Swampert - Didnt do much, hitmontop did most of the heavy lifting for test purposes Blissey - Tanked a non CB t-tar superpower and set up vital status and clericd a little, played it a lot better this game Flygon - Swept through a weakened team like butter, the parahax from blissey made this possible http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-199632025 Hitmontop - Overwhelmed but did take some solid hits Tyranitar - 70% dmg to metagross but then ohkod Swampert - Shit on by dragonite over time, im of the opinion dragons are OP rather than swampert being weak Sceptile - Poor, weak and frail and the leech seed set is very vulnerable Gyarados - It suffers from 4ms, dragon dance for boosting then choosing between earthquake, waterfall, rock slide, taunt and rest is an issue Blissey - Still outclasses snorlax in this new meta imho Me and ywreck also did some bulky metagross testing as an option to deal with dragons Metagross @ Leftovers Ability: Clear Body EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish Nature - Meteor Mash - Ice Punch - Toxic - Rest It tanked d claw like it was nothing, it can take a CB earthquake from dugtrio but hp fire varients of magneton can 2hko it easily http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-199634344 Edited January 4, 2015 by DoctorPBC Vaeldras and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
Rache Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I tried and then realised I still had to do all 8 gyms. Spawn me 8 badges and ill do it You only need 4, and it doesn't take too long to get them~ Link to comment
YagamiNoir Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199628114 did another battle, tried some new stuff out Hitmontop - Surprisingly very good, intimidate and solid bulk make it scary for snorlax and t-tar and swampert cant do too much to touch it Tyranitar - Didnt use Gengar - Had a better shift, takes swampert to the cleaners, nice t-tar partner Swampert - Didnt do much, hitmontop did most of the heavy lifting for test purposes Blissey - Tanked a non CB t-tar superpower and set up vital status and clericd a little, played it a lot better this game Flygon - Swept through a weakened team like butter, the parahax from blissey made this possible http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-199632025 Hitmontop - Overwhelmed but did take some solid hits Tyranitar - 70% dmg to metagross but then ohkod Swampert - Shit on by dragonite over time, im of the opinion dragons are OP rather than swampert being weak Sceptile - Poor, weak and frail and the leech seed set is very vulnerable Gyarados - It suffers from 4ms, dragon dance for boosting then choosing between earthquake, waterfall, rock slide, taunt and rest is an issue Blissey - Still outclasses snorlax in this new meta imho Me and ywreck also did some bulky metagross testing as an option to deal with dragons Metagross @ Leftovers Ability: Clear Body EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe Impish Nature - Meteor Mash - Ice Punch - Toxic - Rest It tanked d claw like it was nothing, it can take a CB earthquake from dugtrio but hp fire varients of magneton can 2hko it easily http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-199634344 The crit is doubled instead of x 1.5 there. Thunderbolt does more damage than HP Fire so HP Fire isn't a necessity. Although a crit shouldn't OHKO with our mechanics, Modest Thunderbolt/HP Fire have high chances to 2HKO. Magneton Crit Thunderbolt vs. 252/0 Metagross: 138-163 (73.7 - 87.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Magneton Crit Hidden Power Fire vs. 252/0 Metagross: 137-162 (73.2 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Magneton Hidden Power Fire vs. 252/0 Metagross: 91-108 (48.6 - 57.7%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 252/0 Metagross: 92-109 (49.1 - 58.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO Link to comment
BenGorgon Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199649885 First game with Magnet, he ran a pretty conventional OU team pre-split. Dragonite took that crit with a lonely nature and went down like a sack of stones. Metagross is banded, and Snorlax still rolled with the punches pretty well. I found out after the game Snorlax was not running crunch, which would have been game over for me trying to stay in with Metagross. http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199652142 Gengar totally S Rank >.> Dragonite did a little bit better here, but I made the mistake of going bulky banded, so he had a really hard time out speeding anything. Saved me the annoyance of Breloom and called the Blissy bluff. Mag went with Crawdaunt for the lolz I guess, but with something else to back him up there, it is very likely I would have lost. Metagross making another appearance to clean house late game. Certainly S rank imo, just so much bulk and damage potential there. http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4customgame-199659030 Again with the sillyness, Magnet comes out with a Jumpluff... Nods to Noads... Metagross puts in serious work here, sweeping the whole board... The Rhydon was not jolly max speed (which beats the uninvested bulky band set I was using on Metagross), so the there was not a lot to be done there. Again, I think Metagross is strongly deserving of an S rank here... ---- On Dragonite, its' access to a good deal of special moves and great base attack stats is great and all, but it does lose out in speed so much. I am not personally assured it is worthy of banning, but lets see as the tests progress. Link to comment
felix Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 You only need 4, and it doesn't take too long to get them~ it is still a boring long way Link to comment
londark Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Who is on? I'd like to check out some things Link to comment
Sacky Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 can actually magnet pull nosepass be a thing in uu? =/ Link to comment
Robofiend Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 can actually magnet pull nosepass be a thing in uu? =/ I think Nosepass is going to be placed in NU Link to comment
flavajabari Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I think Nosepass is going to be placed in NU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDHjb1JGFw sherdoonach, Vaeldras, DoubleJ and 3 others 6 Link to comment
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