[8 Gym Challenge] KingCheerio Badge (LYLE: KingCheerios)

[Rendiz]

Lots of variety in tiers that is being offered now which is really good to see. I still feel like a cooldown would be the better way to go but in general this looks a lot nicer now.

[DoubleJ]

LF Eggplant to clear this up

 

I don't mind the lyle badge being hard to earn.
I think their 5-lyle-wins requirement is reasonable.
If you want to end the argument, just go with what gunt said.
I also don't mind if AW makes something equally difficult.

[DaftCoolio]

[Kizhaz]

@jj I saw you post about you being available prob like 2 matches a week, although I lost it lol.

Just as a suggestion if you made the cooldown like 1 week/fortnightly between rematches. Or even a month after losing 12 matches, just to control the flow of challenges. I feel those are resonable to both you guys as well as the challenger (there are 7 other gyms to beat in the cooldown period) I really would like to see this happen as its less restriction in participation, which without, the entire event would die.

Also just sayan, but if you lowered 5 wins to 3, each member wouldnt get challenged as often ;)

[DoubleJ]

@jj I saw you post about you being available prob like 2 matches a week, although I lost it lol.

 

Not sure what this means

Just as a suggestion if you made the cooldown like 1 week/fortnightly between rematches. Or even a month after losing 12 matches, just to control the flow of challenges. I feel those are resonable to both you guys as well as the challenger (there are 7 other gyms to beat in the cooldown period) I really would like to see this happen as its less restriction in participation, which without, the entire event would die.

 

Cooldown is under consideration, but we don't like it

Also just sayan, but if you lowered 5 wins to 3, each member wouldnt get challenged as often ;)

 

That just takes away from the allure of this system: if you beat this gym, you can truly feel like you defeated LYLE. 

[Kizhaz]

 

@jj I saw you post about you being available prob like 2 matches a week, although I lost it lol.

 

Not sure what this means

Just as a suggestion if you made the cooldown like 1 week/fortnightly between rematches. Or even a month after losing 12 matches, just to control the flow of challenges. I feel those are resonable to both you guys as well as the challenger (there are 7 other gyms to beat in the cooldown period) I really would like to see this happen as its less restriction in participation, which without, the entire event would die.

 

Cooldown is under consideration, but we don't like it

Also just sayan, but if you lowered 5 wins to 3, each member wouldnt get challenged as often ;)

 

That just takes away from the allure of this system: if you beat this gym, you can truly feel like you defeated LYLE. 

 

 

In reality, I personally would likely only be able to accept 1 or maybe 2 matches a week because of time constraints (2 would be asking more than the PSL did).

 

• ^ Found it :)

 

• Understandable, just know you can make the cooldown as long as you like. ("you may rematch once Pokemmo gets an update") I'm sure you guys could come to a decision to suit everyone

 

• I know, just saiyan :3

[PandaJJ]

Hey guys. I'm done shit talking, I just wanted to explain what caused my initial reaction, as you gave me the impression that you did not think it was justified. When I first saw that you had made a ruleset that could cause a deadlock if copied by other gyms, this is what went through my head:

 

1. Maybe you didn't think a deadlock was unfair. I ruled this one out immediately, since it is obvious that a deadlock would be the most discouraging aspect thinkable for a player wanting to take on the 8 gym challenge. It simply opposes the nature of the event.

 

2. Maybe you didn't think there was any other way of accomplishing what you wanted, namely having control over how many matches you would recieve while also letting everybody get a shot, without creating a deadlock. I also ruled this one out, seeing as there are two rather obvious ways of accomplishing the same while avoiding the potential deadlock:

-You could have a cooldown similar to other gyms. This would of course not give you full control over the number of challengers. For example, if you have a week cooldown, then 100 challengers would still mean potentially 100 matches every weak. But the other gyms have policies that allow them to reject challenges when they feel like there are too many, as well as having fees to discourage repeated challenges. Still, I can see why you would not go for this approach.

-You could have a "looping list." Basically, every new challenger is put at the bottom of the list. The only players that are eligible to battle you are either the top one (or the top 5, for instance,) and whenever they battle you, they are moved to the bottom of the list. This allows you to have exactly as many battles as you want each week, it allows everybody to get a shot, and it avoids the potential deadlock.

 

3. Seeing as 1 and 2 are very unlikely, I would have to conclude that you knew that the deadlock was wrong and you knew that there were natural ways to avoid the deadlock. What am I to make of this? I could only see this as a way to force yourself to become "the last gym" at expense of the legitimacy of the entire event. For me, that is a way to say fuck you to everybody (which you also did, btw) and totally justifies my first post in the thread. 

 

Based on your comments, I'm not sure what to believe anymore. Your initial response to the people who pointed out the deadlock made it very easy for me to believe that neither 1 or 2 were very likely. But based on some later comments, it might seem like you really didn't think this through and didn't know how to avoid the deadlock. Yet other comments make me think that you really don't care about the deadlock at all and think it's fair that players are made unable to complete the challenge. No matter the reason, I hope that you will be able to work this out. In particular, the "loop list" seem to be a nice solution.

 

Let me also assure you that I was never negative towards any aspects of your gym besides the deadlock. I wish you good luck with the gym, and I'm looking forward to coming here some time in the future when my comp collection allows me to compete.

[SubZero]

Time to take down the big guns.

 

I challenge yangsam, Artemiseta, KaynineXL, DoubleJ, and eggroll

 

Tiers: UU, NU, Doubles

[DoubleJ]

Time to take down the big guns.

 

I challenge yangsam, Artemiseta, KaynineXL, DoubleJ, and eggroll

 

Tiers: UU, NU, Doubles

 

eggroll is just an OU player, so I think you'll have to play that tier if you wanna challenge him. Otherwise, we accept your challenge brudda. 

[Eggplant]

So the deadlock comes from having lost to enough non-rechsllenfeable members and running out?

An easy fix would be to reset your progress in this gym.
So you do need to upkeep a certain win streak to get to the end.

Were there any other complaints? I'm too offline to keep up.

[Vorred]

So the deadlock comes from having lost to enough non-rechsllenfeable members and running out?

An easy fix would be to reset your progress in this gym.
So you do need to upkeep a certain win streak to get to the end.

Were there any other complaints? I'm too offline to keep up.

 

people probably complained about the 8th gym final boss thing, I forgot who.

[Rendiz]

people probably complained about the 8th gym final boss thing, I forgot who.

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/61237-8-gym-challenge-kingcheerio-badge-lyle-kingcheerios/?p=1223194

 

I gotchu

[Vorred]

https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/61237-8-gym-challenge-kingcheerio-badge-lyle-kingcheerios/?p=1223194

 

I gotchu

 

That was about the deadlock, were you not taught how to read?

 

though it turns out I was talking about Frags.

[DoubleJ]

Gym is officially open. I contacted Tyrone and iSubZero about a match. If the rest of the members aren't on the ball free to pm them yourself. 

 

HYPE

[Eggplant]

Gym is officially open. I contacted Tyrone and iSubZero about a match. If the rest of the members aren't on the ball free to pm them yourself. 
 
HYPE

I thought of having grand opening wednesday but, I guess that works?
Let wednesday just be a deadline.

[eggroll]

soft opening

[Kurodashi]

I am only able to play OU since im pretty new to competetive play if that is no problem i would like to challenge you guys.

 

Members i would like to challenge:

-NikhilR

-DestructX

-KaynineXL

-Eggroll

-DoubleJ

 

Edit: I am fine with fighting anyone of you guys if someone of the above mentioned guys doesn´t wanna play OU

Edited February 20, 2016 by Kurodashi

[eggroll]

 

our gym

[NikhilR]

I am only able to play OU since im pretty new to competetive play if that is no problem i would like to challenge you guys.

 

Members i would like to challenge:

-NikhilR

-DestructX

-KaynineXL

-Eggroll

-DoubleJ

 

Edit: I am fine with fighting anyone of you guys if someone of the above mentioned guys doesn´t wanna play OU

 

Whisper me ingame, IGN: NikhilR

 

GG man, was a tight duel.

Edited February 20, 2016 by NikhilR

[Kurodashi]

GG man, was a tight duel.

cant say it was rng xD u played better u deserved it gg man

[Artemiseta]

for those challenging me. i should be around before the tourny tomorrwo for a while. either pm me here or in game

[JIceJDragon]

I'll get 

yangsam, k9. destruct, doublej, and nikhil 

at doubles 

[KaynineXL]

I'll get 

yangsam, k9. destruct, doublej, and nikhil 

at doubles 

Do bear in mind it's a tier of our choice. Although, I know you mainly do doubles, so I'm down to do that.

[DestructX]

I am only able to play OU since im pretty new to competetive play if that is no problem i would like to challenge you guys.

 

Members i would like to challenge:

-NikhilR

-DestructX

-KaynineXL

-Eggroll

-DoubleJ

 

Edit: I am fine with fighting anyone of you guys if someone of the above mentioned guys doesn´t wanna play OU

gg

[JIceJDragon]

Do bear in mind it's a tier of our choice. Although, I know you mainly do doubles, so I'm down to do that.

oh then ill get art instead of yang