RakuenX Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) Rules for Trade Corner : " 8. We do not allow threads asking for or discussing values. " Well , I made a price shiny guide on my club and staff deleted it without warning then I felt hurt because no rule wrote on Club Rules & Guidelines against my thread My question is why a thread on Trade Corner named : " Value Advice " but still exist What is different ? Even inside that post they just ask the price them nowadays , no deletion from staff then . Or was my thread name was wrong ? If i'm wrong , I hope staff will implement that 8th rule for Club to avoid misunderstand as me Edited August 4, 2018 by RakuenX Charderp, purity2910, Escanor10 and 10 others 13 Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Value discussion means not posting your own list of values. I will copy rules from this thread : Rules are as follows: Do not post the value of a species unless it is in direct response to a question or answer. Do not request advice about something you do not intend to buy/sell/trade in the near future. Do not attempt to artificially manipulate prices. If you are caught doing so, there will be consequences. See, difference here is visible. Diano 1 Link to comment
0 RedDragonERa Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 i dont understand why staffs close down threads like guide made by @RakuenX ,that guide was very helpful he must have put an lot of effort for making the guide and u staffs just shut down it Link to comment
0 Charderp Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bearminator said: Value discussion means not posting your own list of values. I will copy rules from this thread : Rules are as follows: Do not post the value of a species unless it is in direct response to a question or answer. Do not request advice about something you do not intend to buy/sell/trade in the near future. Do not attempt to artificially manipulate prices. If you are caught doing so, there will be consequences. See, difference here is visible. Apart from they're rules just for that thread, not for trade corner OR Clubs lemme redirect you to trade corner rules https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/announcement/16-rules-for-trade-corner-read-before-posting/ and rules for clubs https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/announcement/28-club-rules-guidelines/ - no mention of not being able to make such posts in Clubs. C'mon lmao - that thread exists to stop all the single answer/question forums posts that'd exist if it didn't Edited August 4, 2018 by Charderp KOHHuiXIN 1 Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 No, we dont allow value discussion outside this one thread. If this guide is made in public club page it still needs to follow our directions- which means value discussion can be held only in that thread, only if someone asks for it. Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 This thread was made as only place where we allow discussing trades. If that club would be hidden that would be other discussion, but since its public it needs to follow our rules . Link to comment
0 Charderp Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 You okay there Bear? Your finger slip on the delete post button? Why'd you remove the post that was on topic and related - No actual counter point so "because we say" counts as a response ? DictatorshipMMO strikes again. Get off your high horse and accept that there was nothing against the written rules with the dudes post. Censorship like this is ridiculous Fucking ridiculous "rule" anyway and should be removed. There's a reason its called a Forum, so you can discuss stuff. Also, just because his Club is public it doesn't mean shit - anyone who goes there should take anything said with a grain of salt anyway. It wasn't called "Official Shiny Price guide, only one to be trusted and followed" it gave an accurate overview which no other stupid fucking post on this forum does in one simple thread without having to trail through 100's of outdated and inaccurate posts to find a price for a single Pokemon. Parke, everbroth, RedDragonERa and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment
0 Aerun Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I would actually like to argue but it looks like if mods can't get good arguments they will just remove your posts and give you warning point, this is sad but I agree with what Charderp said. Draekyn, everbroth, Charderp and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, Charderp said: You okay there Bear? Your finger slip on the delete post button? Why'd you remove the post that was on topic and related - No actual counter point so "because we say" counts as a response ? DictatorshipMMO strikes again. Get off your high horse and accept that there was nothing against the written rules with the dudes post. Censorship like this is ridiculous Fucking ridiculous "rule" anyway and should be removed. There's a reason its called a Forum, so you can discuss stuff. Also, just because his Club is public it doesn't mean shit - anyone who goes there should take anything said with a grain of salt anyway. It wasn't called "Official Shiny Price guide, only one to be trusted and followed" it gave an accurate overview which no other stupid fucking post on this forum does in one simple thread without having to trail through 100's of outdated and inaccurate posts to find a price for a single Pokemon. It was deleted not because of any of your points of view, opinion or anything like this but because of ending of said post. While im fine with discussion, i will not allow insulting. Link to comment
0 Parke Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bearminator said: It was deleted not because of any of your points of view, opinion or anything like this but because of ending of said post. While im fine with discussion, i will not allow insulting. I mean, shouldnt you have edited his post instead of deleting it then? Considering his post had valid points, which you basically just agreed with. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of "moderating" Draekyn, Charderp, Aerun and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment
0 Charderp Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just now, Bearminator said: It was deleted not because of any of your points of view, opinion or anything like this but because of ending of said post. While im fine with discussion, i will not allow insulting. Once again, you're not making sense mate. There was no insult in that post, you can feel free to say that since you've deleted it and no one else can see what was wrote so whatever you wanna say you can. It was a valid statement, you should've edited it and removed the "insult" (which didn't exist anyway btw) since it contained an actual on topic response and held reasoning. barfeelaadmi 1 Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Parke said: I mean, shouldnt you have edited his post instead of deleting it then? Considering his post had valid points, which you basically just agreed with. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of "moderating" It didnt. We had open value discussion before but we dont have it right now. I was simply answering why original list was removed. Op moved on, now its discussion if we SHOULD make value discussion open. I dont think so, personally. Link to comment
0 Parke Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bearminator said: now its discussion if we SHOULD make value discussion open. I dont think so, personally. This thread literally exists for that very purpose. So to answer your question, yes value discussion should be open. If someone asks advice on their shiny someone should be entitled to help him if this thread is anything to go off. MathewMat, barfeelaadmi and Aerun 3 Link to comment
0 KOHHuiXIN Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Bearminator said: now its discussion if we SHOULD make value discussion open. I dont think so, personally. I feel like this is a rather useless/illogical method of moderating anyway because you are destroying somebodies hard work and trying to justify with personal opinion. Like @RakuenX if you still have the write up you should post in on a google docs and we can spread the work in other mediums (discord etc) if the forums are going to be unwelcoming of your effort RakuenX, Draekyn, Aerun and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Parke said: This thread literally exists for that very purpose. So to answer your question, yes value discussion should be open. If someone asks advice on their shiny someone should be entitled to help him if this thread is anything to go off. Its not really what i meant Parke. OP asked why he cant post list of his shiny values, and I just explained that we dont allow it unless being done via this thread. 4 minutes ago, KOHHuiXIN said: I feel like this is a rather useless/illogical method of moderating anyway because you are destroying somebodies hard work and trying to justify with personal opinion. Not really. It was deleted due to being not suitable to our way of holding shiny value discussion. I assured him I will provide list that was made because if he wants to share it on other platforms that's fine - using forum for it is not allowed for now MathewMat and RakuenX 2 Link to comment
0 MathewMat Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bearminator said: Its not really what i meant Parke. OP asked why he cant post list of his shiny values, and I just explained that we dont allow it unless being done via this thread. Not really. It was deleted due to being not suitable to our way of holding shiny value discussion. I assured him I will provide list that was made because if he wants to share it on other platforms that's fine - using forum for it is not allowed for now If you can provide him that list that would be great @Bearminator Bear was not the one who deleted rakuen thread, it was just removed by a mod without warning, or mailing rakuen about it, All his hard work was on for his posts and worked hard on it, took him a while to get all that info. Edited August 4, 2018 by MathewMat Escanor10 and barfeelaadmi 2 Link to comment
0 Charderp Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Bearminator said: Its not really what i meant Parke. OP asked why he cant post list of his shiny values, and I just explained that we dont allow it unless being done via this thread. Not really. It was deleted due to being not suitable to our way of holding shiny value discussion. I assured him I will provide list that was made because if he wants to share it on other platforms that's fine - using forum for it is not allowed for now Either way it's a ridiculous rule and needs to be changed, and if "they" don't want to allow it, a GM/SGM/CM should provide a thread just like @RakuenX did - bit sad really that some normal player contributes to something so widely used/focused upon in the game in a better way than anyone who's consider a "Game Master" or "Community Manager" ever has. I mean if anyone on the CM/Mod/GM/SGM team is against this suggestion then you're probably not really someone who wants to help the community and are there for reasons you shouldn't be and should probably back down from your position if you're not willing to make the game/forums a better place for people (I know this last part sounds overzealous but am I really wrong?). 16 minutes ago, MathewMat said: Bear was not the one who deleted rakuen thread, it was just removed by a mod without warning, or mailing rakuen about it, All his hard work was on for his posts and worked hard on it, took him a while to get all that info. This thread was also up for over a week I'm sure people knew about it even some mods, someone magically decided to delet it today, and who ever it was has something up there ass No one accused Bear of deleting it, but I will call out who ever did because it was fucking dumb to do so without even a warning. Edited August 4, 2018 by Charderp Link to comment
0 RedDragonERa Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 deleting someone 's hardwork is so bad , u all just did an indirect insult ,a prior notice should have been given to him , atleast if he had know it , he could ve backuped it . things like this makes me sad Link to comment
0 Kizhaz Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I would just like to point out a few things, first being since the begining of Clubs introdution the rules have always been that Public Clubs must adhere to all forum rules. Private clubs being a different story. Secondly I don't know why I need to remind some of you, but the old shiny value thread was aweful and I seem to recall more members of the community hating the thread due to the active shiny traders manipulating the prices for what they owned or sold. This was a big reason for it's removal and after the backlash that occured the Value Discussion thread was made with rules in place to prevent it from happening again. So while somebody such as myself would find great value in a thread like this since I have no idea on prices, it's been stated many times in the past that it's something that is not allowed on our forums. Link to comment
0 Munya Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Would like everybody to please review the rules for suggestions box before posting, specifically the bit about +1/-1, and other equally low content posts/offtopic posts. https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/announcement/15-rules-for-suggestion-box-read-before-posting/ Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, MathewMat said: If you can provide him that list that would be great @Bearminator I will and we have nothing against sharing it in team chat for example. We are not leaving visible on forum any post that is against our rules. RakuenX and MathewMat 2 Link to comment
0 Tyrone Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 (edited) What's stopping the OP from copying his list in the Value Advice thread? Let's say I ask for peoples opinion on the value of every shiny and he replies to me with his list? Edited August 4, 2018 by Tyrone Charderp 1 Link to comment
0 Draekyn Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I'd like to point out that some of these rules might be outdated, GTL wasn't around during the old VD debacle. Arguments when it comes to value discussion can now be backed up with observational data. I would argue that it's something which would've surely detered market manipulation by experienced traders had it been implemented sooner. Additionally, how about hiring a moderator versed in market values? We argued for it several times in the past, not sure it ever was considered. Charderp and Zymogen 2 Link to comment
0 Bearminator Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tyrone said: What's stopping the OP from copying his list in the Value Discussion thread? Let's say I ask for peoples opinion on the value of every shiny and he replies to me with his list? "Do not request advice about something you do not intend to buy/sell/trade in the near future. " You dont have all shinies, neither maker of list so we wouldnt allow it. Link to comment
0 Aerun Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bearminator said: "Do not request advice about something you do not intend to buy/sell/trade in the near future. " You dont have all shinies, neither maker of list so we wouldnt allow it. But what if I wanna buy all shinies and I don't know their values? Link to comment
0 Munya Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Then you buy the one you want the most first and ask for its value. Link to comment
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Rules for Trade Corner : " 8. We do not allow threads asking for or discussing values. "
Well , I made a price shiny guide on my club and staff deleted it without warning then
I felt hurt because no rule wrote on Club Rules & Guidelines against my thread
My question is why a thread on Trade Corner named : " Value Advice " but still exist
What is different ? Even inside that post they just ask the price them nowadays , no deletion from staff then . Or was my thread name was wrong ?
If i'm wrong , I hope staff will implement that 8th rule for Club to avoid misunderstand as me
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