Munya
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Currently still using old cutoff for this season, 4.36% to go either way. Next month we will be using a different set of cutoffs for every month, more info on that closer to the end of the first month or at the end with the discussion thread.
Banned to Ubers from OU:
Gallade - Discussion thread/ban post.
To OU from UU:
Salamence - 5.26% OU Usage
Banned to BL1 from UU:
Shaymin - Discussion thread/ban post.
To UU from OU:
Seismitoad - 3.31% OU usage
Toxicroak - 2.91% OU usage
To UU from NU:
Gastrodon - 8.09% UU usage
Zoroark - 5.44% UU usage
Clefable - 4.87% UU usage
Tentacruel - 4.85% UU usage
To NU from UU:
Ditto - 3.91% UU usage
Druddigon - 2.08% UU usage
Gigalith - 1.65% UU usage
Gligar - 4.16% UU usage
Mismagius - 3.04% UU usage
Venusaur - 4.02% UU usage
Xatu - 3.83% UU usage
NU Suspect Test:
Venomoth - TC approved, discussion thread
Tier Changes discussion thread.
I'll also be updating the NU/Untiered lists at some point today.
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On 6/27/2023 at 6:51 PM, gbwead said:
I haven't played NU ever since Gallade moved up to OU, so I feel my write-up lacks content and is missing an up-to-date perspective. I'm posting it here hoping NU players or TC can complete the write-up if deemed necessary.You're free to go about it, nobody had any objections and I don't see any issues. The test will begin with the end of the month tier changes. Which should go live end of the day today(29th)/early tomorrow
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8 hours ago, gbwead said:
I just want to make sure. If I make a thread, it will get tested in NU, correct? I don't want to make one for no reason.
edit: and yes, it was banned in 2018 and never got retestedSorry was waiting on confirming the want to test it again amongst TC. DM me the write up - I'll pass it by TC so they can suggest any potential revisions/review if need be(usually about a daylong process), if there are any I'll let you know if not I'll give the go-ahead to post it.
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1 hour ago, Ziiiiio said:
Ban gallade is not the best solution imo, but however we did something.
Do we get gallade back when it nerfed(like SD chomp), or once we get more stuff in PVP? I think we need to encourage the diversity of gameplay and continue to address this issue, it might cause regen stall mirror match in many tours.
If and when Gallade gets a nerf it will be trialed again yes.
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Late 29th/early 30th whenever I can get around to it and a tournament isn't happening. When is TT?
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I'll outsource the writeup to you, I'm of the opinion its been banned long enough to warrant a test at the very least as well.
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First, I'm not going to expect any of TC to make a thread before usage movements are actually finalized, things change even if it may seem unlikely. As for your next step, garner enough support from a member of TC to where they will draft a thread for review/posting. Only need to convince one.
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20 minutes ago, BaliAds said:
What about the request for a discussion? Why has nothing been said to that yet and will anything be done about this, I think most of the community can see venu is a problem in nu especially now that both Clefable and Tentacruel are leaving?
The movement thread was just made this morning, nobody has had a chance to propose a discussion.
EDIT: OP had been updated with Gallade ban. Still awaiting shaymin post.
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Currently still using old cutoff for this season, 4.36% to go either way.
Banned to Ubers from OU:
Gallade - Discussion thread/ban post.
To OU from UU:
Salamence - 5.26% OU Usage
Banned to BL1 from UU:
Shaymin - Discussion thread/ban post.
To UU from OU:
Seismitoad - 3.31% OU usage
Toxicroak - 2.91% OU usage
To UU from NU:
Gastrodon - 8.09% UU usage
Zoroark - 5.44% UU usage
Clefable - 4.87% UU usage
Tentacruel - 4.85% UU usage
To NU from UU:
Ditto - 3.91% UU usage
Druddigon - 2.08% UU usage
Gigalith - 1.65% UU usage
Gligar - 4.16% UU usage
Mismagius - 3.04% UU usage
Venusaur - 4.02% UU usage
Xatu - 3.83% UU usage
NU Suspect Test:
Venomoth - TC approved, discussion thread
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We are discussing it.
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Its just what was suggest, all I care about in the first 2 months is them being more difficult to have movements on than the last month. We should ideally be going into the seasonal tournament with as stable of a tier as we can so theres no last minute surprise showing up to blindside somebody that maybe had a handle on the season prior to something dropping or rising. Unfortunately updates have partially put a real damper on that but that is out of my hands.
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With that being said, my recommendation is this:
Change the current cutoff point of 4.36% to a move down cutoff point of 3.75% and a move up cutoff point of 4.75%.
This is within a close enough range to what I was thinking, .25% off(was thinking 5 and 4) but this may actually be better as it keeps something I used as an example for something that would still yo-yo if we just had a straight 5% cutoff in OU(torkoal). This month though we are probably retaining normal seasonal cutoff and going with it after asking the TC.
Something that was suggested internally within TC is this in the future:
1st month 1.7 to drop, no rises
2nd month 2.5 to drop no rises
3rd month 5 to drop or rise.
Which is where I brought up the yo-yoing thing and why a split would be better. The above is apparently similar to how smogon handles it now? I didn't look into the claim.
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It would actually be to maintain the integrity of the next season with two "major?" pokemon in the tiers being banned it doesn't really sound right to ban based off that usage. That said its not guaranteed to happen, it is a question atm, one that I will poll the TC on later but I figured you all could give your input as well.
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Then the TC needs to express an interest in going back.
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It was in the may thread
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1 minute ago, gbwead said:
1.7% and 6.7% are mentionned in the tiering policy. I have no clue what you are talking about.Woops, forgot to update it when I made the announcement that that is not how it works anymore. That said, I am stating, and have stated before that that isn't a thing anymore.
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1.7 and 6.7 usage movements don't exist anymore so not sure why you are mentioning those, it would use normal cutoffs next month if it was frozen this month.
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If they veto something at least in this particular case it won't be a ban, just a temporary stop since I assume Shaymins existence had at least a minimal effect on Venusaur since its another strong grass type in the tier? To maybe give it time to pick back up some of its momentum or give us time to discuss the eventuality where it might drop.
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Raising the usage % is just going to change the bar, instead of stuff hovering around 4.36% changing every 3 months, stuff hovering around whatever % we change to will change every 3 months. Split cutoffs is how you deal with that but I haven't been given a good answer as to what they should be.
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Re-opened temporarily, lets assume that both the current pending OU and UU bans go through, what are opinions on freezing the seasonal usage movements until next month?
Other options being just doing the movement normally or giving TC the option to maybe veto some usage based movements during this change.
NU Tier Discussion Request Thread
in Competition Alley
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there is a pending vote right now, but the bar for a quick ban is very high as I've said before.