pachima Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) Results of first Poll: - Slow Auction Style wins with 45.3% votes (Standard in second with 44%) - Salary system wins with 61,3% votes - No showdown wins with 33,3% votes, and with 26,7% votes VGC 2020 is second. Regarding this last point, while some can argue No showdown had most votes, others can also argue that more votes went to showdown tiers. Therefore we are allowing one last Poll to choose between these 2 options: No showdown or VGC2020. edit: Added forums poll. Edited July 11, 2020 by pachima gbwead, Gunthug, Imabetheverybest1 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Mkns1070 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, pachima said: - Salary system wins with 61,3% votes This point need more explanation, just to know exactly how it works. ty Luke and pachima 1 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, MknsZblex said: This point need more explanation, just to know exactly how it works. ty Let this last vote finish and we'll share a more in-depth explanation of the whole thing. Edited July 12, 2020 by pachima Mkns1070 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 Because the whole thing is too big to be formatted in our forums. We offer to you the whole ruleset of the entire PSL XIII. apart of the most obvious ones that no1 knows about. We don't expect for you to read this thing at once, but docs are super easily navigated using the outlines, so you can skip to the parts that you want most to understand. Please discuss, and let us know what you think/suggest. This is a new system and all input helps us build a better one. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jrFThqqVDoe_QRs3vzPJxfFzNg4n7EwlV1fVEk0Kkis/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 7:36 AM, iJulian said: Dubs has 128 man tournaments, lc does not. Staff decide on tournament sizes based on the historical playerbase of the tier. So yeah, its quite simple: I happen to have a real argument and official evidence to support it. All you got is a meme. Dubs has more players than lc does and that's it. xd I dare you to find a 32 man dubs CC let alone a 6x31/shiny (real) tournament. Just cause there's statistics, doesn't mean it should be the only criteria. Every one of those LC tours has 16 out of 16 LC players playing. 1/4th ofthe people in the dubs tours don't even bring dubs mons, and I speak from experience, cause dubs is a real good chance to meme as much as u want. I mean, dont get me wrong, dubs>lc, but still, not a fair argument. gbwead 1 Link to comment
iJulian Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Spaintakula said: Just cause there's statistics, doesn't mean it should be the only criteria. Every one of those LC tours has 16 out of 16 LC players playing. 1/4th ofthe people in the dubs tours don't even bring dubs mons, and I speak from experience, cause dubs is a real good chance to meme as much as u want. I mean, dont get me wrong, dubs>lc, but still, not a fair argument. Wether they are using the correct builds or not, they are still playing. People could also use route's 1 wild pidgeys and rattatas to sign up for lc. In fact, this happens in every tier: Even in early rounds of ou tournaments you will find noobs running their charizard storyline teams. This for instance, is a r1 match of the most recent lc cc, ft. rattata. btw, the tournament only filled 24/32 slots. Meanwhile, the day before, the most recent dubs cc filled 64/64 Edited July 12, 2020 by iJulian redbluegreen 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, iJulian said: ft. rattata :V rat kids :V redbluegreen 1 Link to comment
redbluegreen Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Spaintakula said: Just cause there's statistics, doesn't mean it should be the only criteria. Every one of those LC tours has 16 out of 16 LC players playing. 1/4th ofthe people in the dubs tours don't even bring dubs mons, and I speak from experience, cause dubs is a real good chance to meme as much as u want. I mean, dont get me wrong, dubs>lc, but still, not a fair argument. 64x0.75>16 iJulian 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, iJulian said: Wether they are using the correct builds or not, they are still playing. People could also use route's 1 wild pidgeys and rattatas to sign up for lc. In fact, this happens in every tier: Even in early rounds of ou tournaments you will find noobs running their charizard storyline teams. This for instance, is a r1 match of the most recent lc cc, ft. rattata. btw, the tournament only filled 24/32 slots. Meanwhile, the day before, the most recent dubs cc filled 64/64 this match looks better than half of the r1 duels of any dubs tournaments, at least here kingdra is not going to kill his allied pelipper with surf... Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 3 hours ago, redbluegreen said: 64x0.75>16 Woah bro ur so good at math how did u do that. If only you didn't miss the whole point I was trying to make, quantity doesn't automatically have to mean its better. Link to comment
iJulian Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, gbwead said: this match looks better than half of the r1 duels of any dubs tournaments, at least here kingdra is not going to kill his allied pelipper with surf... Hey I killed my own volc with scarf peliper's surf in TT once... That being said, you cant compare these scenarios because obviosuly they're different formats and you cant hit your own pokemon in singles. I actually went and clicked on random r1 matches from the last dubs cc and It didnt look nearly as bad (as far as mons goes, play is atrocious obviosuly but that would apply to any random r1 match from any tier): you see a lot of hitmontop, followme toge and like, actual doubles pokemon. On the other hand... this itemless charmander (not even flying gem mind you) stayed on golett to set up sunny day, flamethrower and die not to earthquake but to drain punch... the charmander's guy only ground resist was gastly so ofcourse golett had a very good reason not to click eq and use a fighting move instead... Edited July 13, 2020 by iJulian Link to comment
gbwead Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, iJulian said: Hey I killed my own volc with scarf peliper's surf in TT once... That being said, you cant compare these scenarios because obviosuly they're different formats and you cant hit your own pokemon in singles. I actually went and clicked on random r1 matches from the last dubs cc and It didnt look nearly as bad (as far as mons goes, play is atrocious obviosuly but that would apply to any random r1 match from any tier): you see a lot of hitmontop, followme toge and like, actual doubles pokemon. On the other hand... this itemless charmander (not even flying gem mind you) stayed on golett to set up sunny day, flamethrower and die not to earthquake but to drain punch... the charmander's guy only ground resist was gastly so ofcourse golett had a very good reason not to click eq and use a fighting move instead... Dubs is not a tier. OU players, the largest player base in mmo can't sign up in LC with their OU team. They can sign up in Dubs with their OU team tho and that's why it doesn't matter how bad a particular lc duel may be because it will never be worse than what we constantly see in dubs. Also this charmander is not itemless in your screen, so I don't get what's your point. Edited July 13, 2020 by gbwead Link to comment
iJulian Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, gbwead said: Dubs is not a tier. OU players, the largest player base in mmo can't sign up in LC with their OU team. They can sign up in Dubs with their OU team tho and that's why it doesn't matter how bad a particular lc duel may be because it will never be worse than what we constantly see in dubs. Also this charmander is not itemless in your screen, so I don't get what's your point. But they can sign up with the lvl 5 wild pokemon they catched in route 1. I get they can queue up with their ou teams but in most r1 matches you see hitmontop and actual dubs mons. Charmamder used acrobatics and didn't have flying gem so it was either itemless or it used 55bp acro and I honestly don't know which one would be worse.. Link to comment
gbwead Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, iJulian said: But they can sign up with the lvl 5 wild pokemon they catched in route 1. I get they can queue up with their ou teams but in most r1 matches you see hitmontop and actual dubs mons. Charmamder used acrobatics and didn't have flying gem so it was either itemless or it used 55bp acro and I honestly don't know which one would be worse.. We can see it is holding an item. And it's not uncommon to play acro with berry juice tbh. Link to comment
iJulian Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Just now, gbwead said: We can see it is holding an item. And it's not uncommon to play acro with berry juice tbh. but its at 30% and it didnt active berry juice either so that wasnt the case. Anyways, round1 matches will always be bad regardless of the tier. the point was that more people play doubles even if they run their ou rain team, if anything thats just an adventage because it facilitates the transition of most players towards starting to play the tier Link to comment
redbluegreen Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Spaintakula said: Woah bro ur so good at math how did u do that. If only you didn't miss the whole point I was trying to make, quantity doesn't automatically have to mean its better. Quick maff bro. Except I really didn't miss your point. Your entire point was to revive a week old argument (which was originally about if there was enough active doubles players for it to be included in managers choice in comparison to LC, which is very easily provably the case). The argument was already settled and all you are doing is trying to bait gb back out into arguing about doubles for the millionth time. gbwead 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 @gbwead @iJulian How come you didn't see charmander was holding leftovers. It says so in the print lol gbwead 1 Link to comment
ThinkNicer Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 7 hours ago, redbluegreen said: Quick maff bro. Except I really didn't miss your point. Your entire point was to revive a week old argument (which was originally about if there was enough active doubles players for it to be included in managers choice in comparison to LC, which is very easily provably the case). The argument was already settled and all you are doing is trying to bait gb back out into arguing about doubles for the millionth time. Baiting gb? Garchomp is absolutely fine. Git gud. pachima, RysPicz and gbwead 3 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 11 hours ago, redbluegreen said: Quick maff bro. Except I really didn't miss your point. Your entire point was to revive a week old argument (which was originally about if there was enough active doubles players for it to be included in managers choice in comparison to LC, which is very easily provably the case). The argument was already settled and all you are doing is trying to bait gb back out into arguing about doubles for the millionth time. You sure have a hard time keeping up. I quoted julian, never said nor wanted to send something to gb, but it's nice to know your delusional mind works that way. Oh and I couldn't give a fuck about how old the argument is. So again, missed the point :) Link to comment
Imabetheverybest1 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Manager signups thread when KOHHuiXIN and SweeTforU 2 Link to comment
pachima Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Imabetheverybest1 said: Manager signups thread when First let's wait for this poll to finish. Then We'd want to hear if there is anything we could change/improve regarding the system. And finally, general thread after that, and before manager thing. Imabetheverybest1 1 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) so polls dead https://imgur.com/a/FtaVThI also once upon a time think was host and got banned with the prize money for rmt. maybe pachi should hold the moniez. also think showdown tiers good #docisbad also also not participating other then logging on and grinding donations, but hey that makes me unbiased right? Edited July 14, 2020 by fredrichnietze Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 hours ago, fredrichnietze said: so polls dead https://imgur.com/a/FtaVThI also once upon a time think was host and got banned with the prize money for rmt. maybe pachi should hold the moniez. also think showdown tiers good #docisbad also also not participating other then logging on and grinding donations, but hey that makes me unbiased right? Ur just jealous cause you're not a b tier doubles player like doc Link to comment
Imabetheverybest1 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Spaintakula said: Ur just jealous cause you're not a b tier doubles player like doc Nah they are both b-tiers. Just doc is B+ and Fred is B- Link to comment
Zhikodark Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Start this shit fast I'm bored TohnR 1 Link to comment
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