RysPicz Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 rip UU warriors We shall rise once again, soon. (tm) Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 We shall rise once again, soon. (tm) +1 KingBowser 1 Link to comment
Toast Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I understand the power of Overheat, but it's easily worked around by say, one Substitute by Haunter. Absol on the otherhand gained Pursuit, which is pretty nasty regardless. Free switch ins on Grumpig and Hypno for days. Better start packing Focus Punch on predicted switches. Well whenever they start a UU tier. god damnit i lost my physical shadow ball felix, KingBowser, jayfeatskydd and 1 other 4 Link to comment
FlareBlitzz Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 god damnit i lost my physical shadow ball E-punch tho [spoiler]does it get shadow punch?[/spoiler] KingBowser 1 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Scyther, with no STAB Bug move and lack of 70 BP HP Flying. LF Technician. Muk, with Shadow Ball being special, Sludge bomb being special, is left only with physical elepunches and some shitty witty weak ass moves. LF Gunk Shot Fearow, which now will get walled hard by any steel or even rock type without it's access to Physical HP Ground. LF Drill Run This is as much as I can think of right now, PokeMMO does not allow me to log in so I can't say more, needa peek into my boxes E: k more inbound Electabuzz's loss of special elepunches hurt a lot Flareon's loss of physical shadow ball dents it insanely Hitmontop has now nothing viable to hurt ghost types aside of Rock Slide RIP HP Bug/ Signal Beam Forretress; left totally without any viable STAB moves Yanma loses a !@#$%^ with special Shadow ball and Signal Beam Slaking is only left with Faint Attack to hit the Ghost types RIP in pieces Tauros- now cannot hit ghost types at all .-D (inb4 rock tomb argument) e buzz still has a great moveset thou. top also got fake out so doubles viability goes up slak has pursuit wait the split happened negged stuff dusklops lost phsyical shadowball but cm set more viable now. phsyical weez sucks but spec set which is better anyways is even better now. cb claydol was always a gimick but now it's not even that. spec/cm vrs got a boost thou. cm everything got a boost with shadowball/signal beam and spec hp fight, ground, ect.... zam lost e punches but sball/signal beam + physical hp fight makes up for it machamp loosing hp ghost hurt but e punches let it do major damage to many more threats. scizor/scythers best bug move left is furry cutter. breloom took a hit lossing hp ghost. crobat rip o7 hariyama lost ghost but epunches more then make up for it doom got hit hard by phsy crunch kingdra with it's only weakness being dragon got hit somewhat hard by the viability of phsyical dragon moves ghost/psychic in general got hit hard by phsyical pursuit curse king got hit semi hard by spec s ball but wall king with slak off + spec moves and maybe EQ is actually viable now as a wall so overall plus linoone is crying over hp ground/sball absol got hit mildy hard by loosing s ball with bite being its best dark attack. still has megahorn thou. banette ;-; flare's sball rip o7 fort is pure wall now. rip cb set giraf got hit mildy hard by the death of sball and the rise of crunch. lost it's nitch. hitmonlee lost hp ghost but blaze kick is so much better hitmonchan lost hp ghost but epunches are so much better hypno switched f punches and sball so phsy set less well equiped to deal with ghost/psychic's and spec set can hit steels. mime lost e punches but only really ran them for steel types nidoking lost s bomb for cb set but had no buissness running it to begin wit with so many better options and gained e punches. pinsir cries about hp bug but w/e qwilfish SD set lost sbomb but waterfall more then makes up for it. more stuff later when im bored Link to comment
londark Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 machamp loosing hp ghost hurt but e punches let it do major damage to many more threats. hariyama lost ghost but epunches more then make up for it kingdra with it's only weakness being dragon got hit somewhat hard by the viability of phsyical dragon moves giraf got hit mildy hard by the death of sball and the rise of crunch. lost it's nitch. Don't really agree with Machamp and Hariyama ( and Hitmons )...Hp Ghost was actually quite important in the rispective tier to hit thing like Dusclops in OU, even Gengar, unless it's Hasty isn't Ohko by E Punch...In UU Grumpig eats well everything forcing Hitmons to run a Normal Attack to get a shoot at 2hko with a CB, but then, MissD.....plus there is Hypno as well...In the end they got more coverage to hit some specific counters in the old meta, but lost an essential one to be able to hit SE things that can retaliate them quite hard Kingdra got buffed a lot, really nice bulk and only one weakness, Dragon Dance and Physical Waterfall + Outrage with Flail as an option as well.... Special STAB Hyper Voice tho Link to comment
Senile Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Don't really agree with Machamp and Hariyama ( and Hitmons )...Hp Ghost was actually quite important in the rispective tier to hit thing like Dusclops in OU, even Gengar, unless it's Hasty isn't Ohko by E Punch...In UU Grumpig eats well everything forcing Hitmons to run a Normal Attack to get a shoot at 2hko with a CB, but then, MissD.....plus there is Hypno as well...In the end they got more coverage to hit some specific counters in the old meta, but lost an essential one to be able to hit SE things that can retaliate them quite hard Kingdra got buffed a lot, really nice bulk and only one weakness, Dragon Dance and Physical Waterfall + Outrage with Flail as an option as well.... Special STAB Hyper Voice tho The split also adds really strong, consistent pursuit trappers, meaning that losing the ability to hit Ghosts doesn't matter as much as you make it seem, as being able to just trap these things makes it a lot easier for these pokes to spam their powerful fighting STABs. Link to comment
londark Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 True, but in the end that means they will need other pokemon to support them, as much as "easy" support in some cases, while, in a global prospective it may not look like a nerf, in a single pokemon prospective the nerf is there, and it's not light ( i may or may not be saying this while looking and crying at my 3 Hidden Power Ghost Hitmons in my Box ) Link to comment
Anjovies Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 missy got a stab now just science Link to comment
Newdisplayname Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Well, you could have used shadow ball on missy before the split too, confirming it was kind of fun : D oh just realised my physical trick missy was a waste of time to get :v Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Rip careful venusaur with sludge bomb. Link to comment
JonazDK Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Alakazam can really only run psychic / shadow ball / hidden power so that kinda sucks but he's still fast and strong so yolo. lol -.- Alakazam just got stronger by the update... -.- Encore/CM/Psyhic/Signalbeam Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 RIP Sub Drum Clefable your sweeping in a better place now OldKeith 1 Link to comment
Throwdown Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 My kangaskhan hasn't been the same without shadow ball Link to comment
YagamiNoir Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 My kangaskhan hasn't been the same without shadow ball Maybe you could find a Mushroom or Heart Scale and teach it Crunch. necund 1 Link to comment
CyrusZathen Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 RIP Element Punch Alakazam Link to comment
Arimanius Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I cry everytime I see my awesome 4x31 adamant muk in my pc T.T Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 lol -.- Alakazam just got stronger by the update... -.- Encore/CM/Psyhic/Signalbeam what about shadowball instead of signal beam? wouldn't it be better? Looking at our current ou meta, shadow ball seems more convenient (slightly higher bp aside). It allows you to hit super effectively both metagross and dusclops (which would otherwise completely stop you), while signal beam hits harder ludicolo and...dunno. For the rest, they're kinda similiar. Didn't consider encore though, i might want to pick that instead of recover. Link to comment
londark Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Stell resist Ghost, SB is neutral on Metagross Link to comment
Gunthug Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 what about shadowball instead of signal beam? wouldn't it be better? Looking at our current ou meta, shadow ball seems more convenient (slightly higher bp aside). It allows you to hit super effectively both metagross and dusclops (which would otherwise completely stop you), while signal beam hits harder ludicolo and...dunno. For the rest, they're kinda similiar. Didn't consider encore though, i might want to pick that instead of recover. signal beam is for umbreon, which especially w/o lax is pretty important if u wanna run zam nowadays Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Stell resist Ghost, SB is neutral on Metagross I thought the same, mr i don't quote. Then i've been told steel only resists sb ball since gen...5 or 6, so it is super effective. I swear i can remember using shadow ball against metagross and hitting it neutrally, so it might be as you say Link to comment
Gunthug Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I thought the same, mr i don't quote. Then i've been told steel only resists sb ball since gen...5 or 6, so it is super effective. I swear i can remember using shadow ball against metagross and hitting it neutrally, so it might be as you say it's actually the opposite - I believe when fairy typing came out, steel lost its resist to both dark and ghost Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) it's actually the opposite - I believe when fairy typing came out, steel lost its resist to both dark and ghost I've heard them all now. Gotta test it Edit: Ye, you are right and i remember correctly. It resists shadow ball prior to gen 6 http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Steel_%28type%29 Edited April 29, 2015 by Vaeldras Link to comment
Bestfriends Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 There's a few Pokemon in my boxes I realized weren't even worth using anymore lol. One being special houndoom. It lost crunch AND pursuit. However mixed houndoom with endursal didn't lose out as much. Alakazam can really only run psychic / shadow ball / hidden power so that kinda sucks but he's still fast and strong so yolo. I've seen people mostly talking about what's good/op now but I think it's fun to point out some things that suck now (at least for ou) On a side note it'd be cool to see a few basic gen 4 moves that are just damage moves like x-scissor and dark pulse etc Probably HP Ground Fearow. Fearow can learn steel wing, but the bird just isn't the same.... Muk also suffered because sludge bomb is no longer offensive.... I am sure there are others that offered. Scizor did suffer a little due to silver wind no longer being offensive, but Scizor is still a decent comp to have. FlareBlitzz 1 Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Probably HP Ground Fearow. Fearow can learn steel wing, but the bird just isn't the same.... Muk also suffered because sludge bomb is no longer offensive.... I am sure there are others that offered. Scizor did suffer a little due to silver wind no longer being offensive, but Scizor is still a decent comp to have. Scizor gained pursuit lol Bestfriends 1 Link to comment
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