DoubleJ Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rigamorty said: @DoubleJ the thing about it in this case is that typhlosion dropped to UU by usage, so it's not like we'd put that off by a month for the sake of testing kanga, and leaving kanga around another month based on a usage drop would involve hoping something else doesn't drop again a month later to raise the same speculation Totally agree with the first statement and never did I want to postpone the Typhlosion drop. The second case is a sticky one and something that we couldn't account for. This is the first suspect test since we changed to a month to month update system and considering that we place ourselves in a burden of not knowing what the future holds. All in all, the changes seem extremely drastic to have all happened at once and I believe the TC could have waited at least 2-3 UU tournaments to watch Typhlosion. With access to tournament replays and the weekly community combat tournaments, I wouldn't expect it to take long for the TC to figure out if Typhlo needed an instant ban or not. A broken offensive poke is pretty easy to see. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 27 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: Totally agree with the first statement and never did I want to postpone the Typhlosion drop. The second case is a sticky one and something that we couldn't account for. This is the first suspect test since we changed to a month to month update system and considering that we place ourselves in a burden of not knowing what the future holds. All in all, the changes seem extremely drastic to have all happened at once and I believe the TC could have waited at least 2-3 UU tournaments to watch Typhlosion. With access to tournament replays and the weekly community combat tournaments, I wouldn't expect it to take long for the TC to figure out if Typhlo needed an instant ban or not. A broken offensive poke is pretty easy to see. What you mentioned near the end there is still true. The kanga test will last a month, but it shouldn't take us nearly that long to see if typhlosion is truly as strong as some think it will be. If it comes out and just decimates the tier in the first UU official, we won't hesitate to take action (can't speak for everyone on council on this though) Laz and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Lazaro23 said: JJ, please apply for TC, we need more logic and less aids in TC nowadays.. ffs. he used to be in the council back in the day and quit in protest over something Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, fredrichnietze said: he used to be in the council back in the day and quit in protest over something Was there twice and left twice, unfortunately do to my own frustrations. Spoiler The first time I left was because Senile and ThinkNice really had too much power and the rest of the members would just get steam rolled with any and every decision. Any little bit of opposition and they were quick to squash that. Let's just say they were really good at persuading more timid members and also had the support of the staff at the time. The second time I left was because a few members began accusing me of fixing tiers when I won the UU tournament series after being hardheaded in banning Rhydon and Charizard the week before the finale. To add, I was also extremely frustrated when we had three council members per tier. Especially when Art and I were the only UU council members and despite recommending a third member, the position wasn't filled; leaving Art and I to take the majority of the flack with a messy tier. Then there was the great merger of 2015 which saw the tier council reformed into one whole council and a good number of us were fired for no apparent reason. Fortunately, OrangeManiac came to our defense and staff brought us back in, but after that I had already been pretty fed up and it was only a matter of time. Overall, I really enjoyed being on the council and I miss it at times, but life is really freaking busy for me right now and I doubt they'd have me back after leaving twice. fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: Then there was the great merger of 2015 which saw the tier council reformed into one whole council i did not know of this Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 what am I supposed to do with my 5 sceptiles now? Thanks guys DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 53 minutes ago, BlackJovi said: what am I supposed to do with my 5 sceptiles now? Thanks guys Use them to breed Snorlax of course :^) Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Rigamorty said: Use them to breed Snorlax of course :^) you just triggered so many people Guerinf, DoubleJ, Suneet and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 12 hours ago, BlackJovi said: what am I supposed to do with my 5 sceptiles now? Thanks guys what about my shiny one? It's gonna be eating dust there xD YettoDie, gbwead, DoubleJ and 7 others 10 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 14 hours ago, BlackJovi said: what am I supposed to do with my 5 sceptiles now? Thanks guys it's funny how all my sceptiles were built for ou, and then it went UU and I was like "Ayyy even better" Link to comment
Toast Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 should totally bring back kangaskhan, was probs our most reliable sdef wall. satkers pretty much rule uu so we're forced to run like 7 walls, not to mention with typhlo around it makes it even worse imo jasonoon95, DoubleJ, Suneet and 3 others 6 Link to comment
pachima Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Toast said: should totally bring back kangaskhan, was probs our most reliable sdef wall. satkers pretty much rule uu so we're forced to run like 7 walls, not to mention with typhlo around it makes it even worse imo Ban Typhlo. Ez Edited October 11, 2016 by pachima Arimanius, SirYurop, xXBlu3BreathXx and 2 others 5 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) I mean kanga is exploitable as fuck, bring it back please. What I mean by this its that it is so much setup bait for a lot of pokes when it rests, and even some pokes can switch in on it without resting and dent something else. But Typhlosion is just a monster, everyone running same core just to not get swept by it (Lanturn+Clefable/Slowking). Isn't that overcentralizing? You could just basically spam specs/scarf eruption until you get a kill. Edited October 11, 2016 by BlackJovi Added more reasoning. Arimanius, xXBlu3BreathXx and Toast 3 Link to comment
Toast Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 also i should mention that typhlosion puts a fuckload of pressure on your team, because whether it's mixed or specs, it's definitely gonna dent something. i'd say it is pretty damn centralizing if i have to use like 3 pokes just to take on 1 poke, and even then, my 3 pokes can still be exploited by the rest of the other person's team because of the little counters there are to typhlosion. Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Toast said: also i should mention that typhlosion puts a fuckload of pressure on your team, because whether it's mixed or specs, it's definitely gonna dent something. i'd say it is pretty damn centralizing if i have to use like 3 pokes just to take on 1 poke, and even then, my 3 pokes can still be exploited by the rest of the other person's team because of the little counters there are to typhlosion. It's like sceptile all over again jasonoon95, Arimanius and xXBlu3BreathXx 3 Link to comment
Toast Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, BlackJovi said: It's like sceptile all over again and we all know what happened to sceptile Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Ban Typhlo now. It's puts too much pressure on a tier with weak options of stopping it. xXBlu3BreathXx and Arimanius 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 2 hours ago, DoubleJ said: Ban Typhlo now. It's puts too much pressure on a tier with weak options of stopping it. Next tier update should be the 6th of November. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, gbwead said: Next tier update should be the 6th of November. Quickban when? Every team that has a Typhlosion in it has a visible advantage over a team that doesn't have it. xXBlu3BreathXx, jasonoon95, Arimanius and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 24 minutes ago, gbwead said: Next tier update should be the 6th of November. There is a thing called a quick ban which bypasses the standard tier discussion process. I believe you did that with sceptile. BlackJovi and xXBlu3BreathXx 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) @DoubleJ Sceptile was UU for 5 months before getting banned. It was clearly not a quick ban. Sceptile was also banned on the day of the tier update. It was not banned in the middle of the month unlike what you are suggesting right now. @RysPicz Quick bans are not really appropriate for pokemons that might be unhealthy or centralising. A ban based on this criteria takes time. Typhlosion clearly puts tremendous pressure on teams, but I am not convinced it fits offensive Uber characteristics since pokemons like Calm Slowking, Careful Miltank, gimmicks Flash Fire mons and Diglett Scarf seem to be capable of stopping it to some decent degree. Edited October 15, 2016 by gbwead Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 It was defined as a quick because you didn't hold a formal community discussion, regardless of the time frame it existed in UU. Typhlosion meets offensive uber characteristics similar to Rhydon in UU. It has the moveset to break a team with ease if you misplay and to add its speed is just terrifying for something with a spammable base 150 move behind specs. I think the discussion should be made between the tier council members to remove Typhlosion as soon as possible. Pairing Typhlo with Manectric and Reversal Diglett makes for an easy advantage. Link to comment
gbwead Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 7 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: Pairing Typhlo with Manectric and Reversal Diglett makes for an easy advantage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see how this strategy has any chance of breaking something as simple as Calm Slowking + Cradily. Link to comment
RysPicz Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Just now, gbwead said: Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see how this strategy has any chance of breaking something as simple as Calm Slowking + Cradily. If you intend on running a Slowking, which is tier's premier physical wall, as a special wall just because of Typhlosion, then it really has to go sooner than I thought BlackJovi, DoubleJ, Arimanius and 1 other 4 Link to comment
gbwead Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RysPicz said: If you intend on running a Slowking, which is tier's premier physical wall, as a special wall just because of Typhlosion, then it really has to go sooner than I thought That is a centralising argument tho and it is really debatable whether slowking is capable or not of being a special wall. Edit: I was not playing PvP back then, but I heard Vileplume used to be a top tier special wall in UU. I would have a hard time believing that today. Edited October 15, 2016 by gbwead Link to comment
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