BurntZebra Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I can do this but not tonight as have coursework and wont be able to be a good host. If anyone wants to host one I will happily spawn a "pts prize" for them to give out. I can host one probably. Shiny chimecho prize pls Sableye32 and Noad 2 Link to comment
Yaguarete Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This meta was the chance to shine for many true never used pokemons. Now i only can see that the unpopular pokemons from UU are coming to rule over the true never used, and those true never used, never will be used. now im seeing the discussion, and the OP pokes that anybody can see, are being justified in the tier for the other OP pokes, that makes the tier now looks balanced, and the result: the pokes that never was used, never will be used. i think i will be very dissapointed with the tier. Link to comment
ihatosJr Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) suerte Edited June 1, 2015 by ihatosJr Link to comment
RysPicz Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Parasect there is an error on the list, this is "Anything Goes" tier along with M-Ray afaik Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think this new tier better represents what nu is considering the old nu was dominated by nfe pokes that really shouldn't be an option. OrangeManiac, LionKIng and Gunthug 3 Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This meta was the chance to shine for many true never used pokemons. Now i only can see that the unpopular pokemons from UU are coming to rule over the true never used, and those true never used, never will be used. now im seeing the discussion, and the OP pokes that anybody can see, are being justified in the tier for the other OP pokes, that makes the tier now looks balanced, and the result: the pokes that never was used, never will be used. i think i will be very dissapointed with the tier. >true nu go spread your garbage somewhere else and play little cup or something Gunthug and BurntZebra 2 Link to comment
Yaguarete Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 >true nu go spread your garbage somewhere else and play little cup or something hey, i always read your garbage and i never send you to no where. keep yourself on-topic Link to comment
Noad Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Hmm okay lets steer the discussion away from confrontation~ So what do you think are going to be some popular partnerships with the new NU? At the moment I am trying to build a team based around Cradily and Hitmontop being my defensive core. There is so many Pokemon to choose from, I feel spoilt for choice - it makes a nice change from the old NU. I would love to hear other people's thoughts! Fabbroo 1 Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Camerupt + Peliper make a perfect core besides surf pika. Although w/out defog and stealth rocks it doesn't have much going for it Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I've been running a lot of toxic pokes in an attempt to wear down walls for pikachu and sharpedo to sweep. Pikachu and Sharpedo are most likely banworthy, they don't really have any solid counters outside of revenge killing and its quite easy to avoid revenge kills. Jumpluff also seems pretty damn annoying as senile demonstrated. Grass types are immune to leech seed but don't have the offense to really hurt jumpluff and pluff has sleep powder/aerial ace to stop grass types from doing anything. Gilvy 1 Link to comment
Senile Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Hmm okay lets steer the discussion away from confrontation~ So what do you think are going to be some popular partnerships with the new NU? At the moment I am trying to build a team based around Cradily and Hitmontop being my defensive core. There is so many Pokemon to choose from, I feel spoilt for choice - it makes a nice change from the old NU. I would love to hear other people's thoughts! I took one look at Pikachu and I developed 18 different terminal illnesses. One of those illnesses was losing to Zebra. I think you understand the problem. [spoiler]as for popular partnerships, wynaut + anything, kek.[/spoiler] Edit: I've been running a lot of toxic pokes in an attempt to wear down walls for pikachu and sharpedo to sweep. Pikachu and Sharpedo are most likely banworthy, they don't really have any solid counters outside of revenge killing and its quite easy to avoid revenge kills. Jumpluff also seems pretty damn annoying as senile demonstrated. Grass types are immune to leech seed but don't have the offense to really hurt jumpluff and pluff has sleep powder/aerial ace to stop grass types from doing anything. Eh, I don't think it's fair to imply Pikachu and Sharpedo are on the same level; Sharpedo is a lot easier to deal with, because it gets CB locked and it doesn't have +2 Priority to poop on any would-be glass speedsters that would check it. At least with Sharpedo, you can predict it and force it out (IE Send in a Lapras on a CB waterfall), whereas predicting a Pikachu doesn't necessarily get you anywhere (Send in Lapras on Pikachu Surf, lol it tbolts anyway tf u doin kid). Edited June 1, 2015 by Senile BurntZebra, gbwead, Noad and 2 others 5 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This meta was the chance to shine for many true never used pokemons. Now i only can see that the unpopular pokemons from UU are coming to rule over the true never used, and those true never used, never will be used. now im seeing the discussion, and the OP pokes that anybody can see, are being justified in the tier for the other OP pokes, that makes the tier now looks balanced, and the result: the pokes that never was used, never will be used. i think i will be very dissapointed with the tier. This isn't true. Tangela, Sableye, Glalie, Cacturne, Bellossom, Raticate, Relicanth will still be popular. Other pokemon like Swalot, Piloswine, Dewgong, Seadra may see less usage but it is much better this way because then we no longer have to see both opponents having the same pokemon. Other pokemon like Venomoth have also become more viable with dual stabs becoming special and these can be used as well. All in all, no one is stopping you from using them other than yourself. If you believe in "true never used" then go ahead and use them and make good use of it. I've been running a lot of toxic pokes in an attempt to wear down walls for pikachu and sharpedo to sweep. Pikachu and Sharpedo are most likely banworthy, they don't really have any solid counters outside of revenge killing and its quite easy to avoid revenge kills. Jumpluff also seems pretty damn annoying as senile demonstrated. Grass types are immune to leech seed but don't have the offense to really hurt jumpluff and pluff has sleep powder/aerial ace to stop grass types from doing anything. Gonna have to ban jumpluff and do a complex ban on Explosion on Electrode (screw you Senile :P ) ------------------------------------------- I do think Jumpluff is quite annoying. Although bellossom learns sludgebomb so that helps in beating jumpluff and that poison chance is also a very good reason to use it I guess. Also, yes lets have an NU tournament guys :D Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I can see Jumpluff getting banned for the same reason it got banned from UU, even more we don't have Vileplume or Tentacruel or Hypno (to absorb sleep). So yah, that's definitely on the quick ban list IMO. Pikachu and Sharpedo though, not convinced yet. Stall has a lot of ways to deal with both. Pikachu is really hard for offense though but isn't as clearly as broken as Jumpluff. I think Sharpedo will be one of those amazing mons that can be dealt with, we have Tangela or the fail safe Poliwrath and Impish Hitmontop or even Lapras/Walrein. Can we ban Jumpluff for that tournament? Link to comment
Senile Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I can see Jumpluff getting banned for the same reason it got banned from UU, even more we don't have Vileplume or Tentacruel or Hypno (to absorb sleep). So yah, that's definitely on the quick ban list IMO. Pikachu and Sharpedo though, not convinced yet. Stall has a lot of ways to deal with both. Pikachu is really hard for offense though but isn't as clearly as broken as Jumpluff. I think Sharpedo will be one of those amazing mons that can be dealt with, we have Tangela or the fail safe Poliwrath and Impish Hitmontop or even Lapras/Walrein. Can we ban Jumpluff for that tournament? I don't think so. After using Jumpluff, it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY annoying, but to be entirely honest, a lot of the time, it doesn't do much. It stalls out the match, it forces a lot of switches, but it inevitably starts either running out of PP or missing, and the opponent gets the initiative with their pokemon which can actually do things. Jumpluff can force your opponent to do some switching to scout their team, but honestly, it just fails to get much done a majority of the time. It just drains some HP, gets forced out, and slowly but surely just runs out of PP. also sleep powder never fucking hits. londark 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 This list actually shaped up to be more balanced than I had anticipated. It may be less bans away from balanced than UU was, honestly. Should be fun shaping this tier out. I won't address the luddite Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't think so. After using Jumpluff, it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY annoying, but to be entirely honest, a lot of the time, it doesn't do much. It stalls out the match, it forces a lot of switches, but it inevitably starts either running out of PP or missing, and the opponent gets the initiative with their pokemon which can actually do things. Jumpluff can force your opponent to do some switching to scout their team, but honestly, it just fails to get much done a majority of the time. It just drains some HP, gets forced out, and slowly but surely just runs out of PP. also sleep powder never fucking hits. so what you are saying is, to counter jumpluff I have to either pp stall it, or hope for it to miss? I mean, I don't need to say that there is something wrong here. Maybe stall doesn't care with multiple recovery moves but sitting out like 16 leech seeds as your only chance ot beat that thing is not what I call a balanced Pokémon. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Pikachu: Stopped cold by specially defensive Hitmontop Link to comment
JonazDK Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't think so. After using Jumpluff, it is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY annoying, but to be entirely honest, a lot of the time, it doesn't do much. It stalls out the match, it forces a lot of switches, but it inevitably starts either running out of PP or missing, and the opponent gets the initiative with their pokemon which can actually do things. Jumpluff can force your opponent to do some switching to scout their team, but honestly, it just fails to get much done a majority of the time. It just drains some HP, gets forced out, and slowly but surely just runs out of PP. also sleep powder never fucking hits. If you can get spikes up you will see it hurting too... Link to comment
Senile Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Pikachu: Stopped cold by specially defensive Hitmontop 252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hitmonchan: 61-73 (38.8 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hitmonchan: 67-81 (42.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Let's not exaggerate here. so what you are saying is, to counter jumpluff I have to either pp stall it, or hope for it to miss? I mean, I don't need to say that there is something wrong here. Maybe stall doesn't care with multiple recovery moves but sitting out like 16 leech seeds as your only chance ot beat that thing is not what I call a balanced Pokémon. Ehhhh, you're over estimating leech seed, accuracy, and Jumpluff as a whole. I haven't met a team that Jumpluff could really do much against other than be super annoying. Just try it out, I suppose, hue. Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The same has been said when it was UU Senile amd there was more that could beat it there. Link to comment
timwaps Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 wtf with this tier, I think that need changes to be competitive Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Senile, you realize you calced for HitmonCHAN right? So c'mon, lets not look dumb here. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) 252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hitmonchan: 61-73 (38.8 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hitmonchan: 67-81 (42.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Let's not exaggerate here Edited June 1, 2015 by DoubleJ Link to comment
londark Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Chan and Top have the same hp and Spdef iirc Link to comment
NikhilR Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Chan and Top have the same hp and Spdef iirc ^ 252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hitmontop: 61-73 (38.8 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Also if you're gonna run Hitmontop to beat things like Sharpedo, then you're gonna want to invest a wee bit of def in it as well, which would make things harder for it to come into pikachu, Link to comment
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