Tranzmaster Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Snorlax is one of the controversial OU pokemon in PokeMMO, particularly since gaining access to Curse. After reading feedback from players and deliberating amongst ourselves, the OU Tiering Council has decided to test ban Snorlax for one month. Snorlax will not be usable during standard OU matches or in tournaments during April 12th - May 11th. This was one of the hardest decisions the OU council has had to make. Because Snorlax does not easily satisfy an Uber criterion, a lot of energy was spent debating its effects on the metagame and how it affects the more subjective "quality" of the metagame. Everyone on the OU Tiering Council had a different take on whether Snorlax is healthy for the OU meta or not and the community itself had split opinions. Some of us are conviced without seeing a test that Snorlax should be banned and others are convinced a test won't solve anything because Snorlax isn't particularly unhealthy to begin with. Some of us don't know what is the best option, and because of this, preferred a test. At the end of the testing period we will make a decision based on player input, our own experiences and observations, and the current state of the metagame. This thread will remain open until we decide to ban Snorlax to Ubers or let it return to OU. Kizhaz, Bestfriends, DoubleJ and 10 others 13 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Going to be one fun month. Let's see where the tier goes with this. Edited April 12, 2015 by DoubleJ Link to comment
KingBowser Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 The smile on nik and raaidn face when they see this. :) LegendP, Platoons, raaidn and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Kiliminati Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Why u do dis Edit: In all seriousness, this should make OU really interesting. Blissey master-race. Edited April 12, 2015 by Kiliminati Link to comment
Kizhaz Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Teams may actually vary a little now. Well maybe besides gengar and posibly Blissey Link to comment
codylramey Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Hype, might have to breed a lil now. Rip free time. Get yo calm mind pokes ready to anus rape everything. pokypoku and Vaeldras 2 Link to comment
Shaniqualela Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 our own experiences and observations, and the current state of the metagame. But then don't you have to play the game? Vaeldras 1 Link to comment
BigShotJoe Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Were there not enough checks and counters to Snorlax? Any steel type with Roar or anything with Haze stopped it easily. I mean, it's not like it boosted your attack and speed so you could spam Taunt. Link to comment
Toast Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Were there not enough checks and counters to Snorlax? Any steel type with Roar or anything with Haze stopped it easily. I mean, it's not like it boosted your attack and speed so you could spam Taunt. theres like 0 good haze users and the steels are bad, only skarm can force it out but cannot do anything else to it, and snorlax can always come back and set up again Link to comment
codylramey Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Plz dont respond to posts that isnt discussing the meta after the ban. Or else this thread will look like the last lax thread. Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 blissey gonna be beyond overused. Or calm mind will run all over you. Cough espeon gardevoir alakazam. Link to comment
Shaniqualela Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 blissey gonna be beyond overused. Or calm mind will run all over you. Cough espeon gardevoir alakazam. This is the discuss the meta thread, not stop playing in game and complain thread. Of course people will run blissey at first, the point is to see if it evolves past that. Espeon/gard make nice special walls, espeon can even run reflect to be extremely bulky. Will anyone use that though? Who knows. That's the point of the test Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 This is the discuss the meta thread, not stop playing in game and complain thread. Of course people will run blissey at first, the point is to see if it evolves past that. Espeon/gard make nice special walls, espeon can even run reflect to be extremely bulky. Will anyone use that though? Who knows. That's the point of the test Where does it say discuss meta? Pretty sure that says sborlax. But anyways you really think I don't know people won't try it? I know they will but will they be viable? Doubt it. Ludicolo and blissey are more op then both of the ones you listed. And blissey can take calm minds. I don't think ludocolo can take a lot. Could be wrong but blissey is the only thing can stop calm mind or we have calm mind wars. I'll pass but I think this is an extreme waste of time. Next we should just complain about metagross because of the chance of his boosts. Because it looks like that's what earns bans now. Link to comment
OldKeith Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Glad to see this monster put to rest, be it for one month. I hope people will enjoy the Snorlax-less meta a bit more. There are ways to beat calm minders, be it by outspeeding them with banded physical attackers or Toxic Stalling/Pursuiting them with Umbreon or Blissey/Houndoom. Max SDef Ludi can annoy with leech seed. Bulky attackers can also absorb a +1 hit, while ohko-ing in return. Really curious how this will turn out, but I love the test-ban. Bestfriendss 1 Link to comment
Robofiend Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Were there not enough checks and counters to Snorlax? Any steel type with Roar or anything with Haze stopped it easily. I mean, it's not like it boosted your attack and speed so you could spam Taunt. +1 0 Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Skarmory: 64-76 (37.2 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery +1 0 Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Forretress: 116-140 (63.7 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 0 Atk Snorlax Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 74-88 (39.5 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO That's really all there is to say about that: only one of these pokemon gets Roar and it's also a target for trapping. If you read the thread you should get a better feeling for why we decided to do this. @Everyone else: looking forward to reading your responses! epicdavenport 1 Link to comment
YagamiNoir Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The only thing I can exactly say is that only with practical evidence throughout this ban month will we actually be clear on an answer; that is the impact that of which affects the meta more unhealthy, the absence of Snorlax or it's presence overall. I'm not sure how easily this change will actually adapt given that the degree of which teams needs to diversify can be considerably slow, so it may or may not need an extension. Link to comment
DoctorPBC Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Finally, haze weezing got old Edited April 13, 2015 by DoctorPBC Link to comment
OldKeith Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Balanced has always been a weak style in future gens After the spilt. I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about. In every format I played on showdown, from NU to Ubers and even other formats, the top 10 teams always have a balanced style, some very defensive pokemon, some very offensive, and others for support. Of course, you need to be good to play those in the top... DoubleJ and Robofiend 2 Link to comment
ShucklePwnz Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 So after the spont today it seems the meta got more offensive(or we were just bad) because of the number of pokemon who can switch more often on Blissey than Snorlax. But there's still many tournaments to happen so its a bit early to tell if the meta got better or not. Link to comment
codylramey Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 So after the spont today it seems the meta got more offensive(or we were just bad) because of the number of pokemon who can switch more often on Blissey than Snorlax. But there's still many tournaments to happen so its a bit early to tell if the meta got better or not. Were there CMers errywhere Link to comment
ShucklePwnz Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Were there CMers errywhere I didn't see any, but again its a bit early to tell if they gonna be problematic or not, their viability is much higher w/o Lax thats for sure. Edited April 13, 2015 by ShucklePwnz Link to comment
Noad Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I will say this once, do not derail this thread with flaming and off topic posting. Anyone found doing so will receive a warning point. fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
bigbangattack Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 So its only a test ban and I sold my snorlax for no reason lol Robofiend, Vaeldras and KingBowser 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 So its only a test ban and I sold my snorlax for no reason lol That depends on whether it ends up coming back or not after the test - you mighta made a good call Link to comment
Robofiend Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yesterday I ran a team with no walls and won. That's what we call diversity. Hype. Link to comment
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