PandaJJ Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) also thoughts on best out for 3 for doubles? i mean it's pls so time isnt a big issue. with all the rng in doubles a best out of 3 would more accurately show which players are truly the best. blah blah blah this makes a better argument then i can put together. thoughts? Doubles does not have more rng than singles, quite the opposite. However, two moves in particular (protect and rock slide) have a big chance of completely screwing you up, which is why it is more rng-dependent. Another reason why singles is less dependent on rng is because stall is a viable playstyle. In my opinion, every format should be best of three - it is the best way to determine the rightful winner. However, since people will still choose stall as their playstyle, one might risk matches lasting for six hours, which is undesieable. Best of three should defenitely be a thing in doubles, though. Edit: With that said, we are already following the advice given in the video - we are playing a league, after all. The winning team is decided by 56 games, so that rng that blew one of your games certainly blew one of your opponents games as well. VGC is kinda different, since scouting your opponents team is an important part of the game. Edited May 12, 2015 by PandaJJ Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) VGC is not the same as Doubles. And it is certainly not the same as 3rd gen Doubles. In Doubles you have six Pokémon which means that RNG is already less determining than if you have four Pokémon. In PokeMMO Doubles we also have limited gimmmicks and if you are runnnig them, they are usually known gimmicks as only a few Pokémon can use certain gimmicks. In VGC this is totally different with much larger movepools and also much more utility moves and utility abilities (like Prankster). Because in VGC we are talking 4v4, gimmicks have a much larger impact on the game than it does in PokeMMO Doubles. In short the possibilities in VGC are much larger than the possibilities in Doubles and one move in VGC can decide more than one move in Doubles which is why Doubles is fine the way it is now. @Coolio: If Eggplant knew that Baraccus was better than Flareblitzz why wouldn't he use him in the first week? I don't think Eggplant knows the abilities of Baraccus so he is certainly not matchfixing. Baraccus has no matches played in the PSL so we don't know what'll happen. You're right in saying that substitutes shouldn't happen 'just cauz I forgot', but it's the second week to I tend to be a bit more lenient early on. Edited May 12, 2015 by ThinkNice Link to comment
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Magnet Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Rap won. GG http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-232106406 Edit : Tfw Ninja'd Edit 2 : More like lost speed tie again hue Edited May 12, 2015 by Magnet Link to comment
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fredrichnietze Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 VGC is not the same as Doubles. And it is certainly not the same as 3rd gen Doubles. In Doubles you have six Pokémon which means that RNG is already less determining than if you have four Pokémon. In PokeMMO Doubles we also have limited gimmmicks and if you are runnnig them, they are usually known gimmicks as only a few Pokémon can use certain gimmicks. In VGC this is totally different with much larger movepools and also much more utility moves and utility abilities (like Prankster). Because in VGC we are talking 4v4, gimmicks have a much larger impact on the game than it does in PokeMMO Doubles. In short the possibilities in VGC are much larger than the possibilities in Doubles and one move in VGC can decide more than one move in Doubles which is why Doubles is fine the way it is now. ok i hear what your saying that rng is rampant in vgc, but i think you underestimate the rampant rng in doubles. with the 60~% doubles protect chance in perish teams, 51% chance of flinch per rockslide, and all the reglar rng from pokemmo. rng can literally decided a game and it has in pls before. the downsides of the longer time it takes might be more of a reason if we werent having 100+ minute matches in uu/ou with no time clause and the average doubles match being under ten minutes. add in the "no changing your teams" rule it seems to have no downsides. i once nearly swept frags with just one rockslide flinch and one crit and only lost cause i fucked up in the end and that was ou (hes obvs the better player here in this allegory). a best out of 3 would just be a better way to do this. can you at least ask what the doubles players here think before you decided no? Link to comment
Gunthug Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 ok i hear what your saying that rng is rampant in vgc, but i think you underestimate the rampant rng in doubles. with the 60~% doubles protect chance in perish teams, 51% chance of flinch per rockslide, and all the reglar rng from pokemmo. rng can literally decided a game and it has in pls before. the downsides of the longer time it takes might be more of a reason if we werent having 100+ minute matches in uu/ou with no time clause and the average doubles match being under ten minutes. add in the "no changing your teams" rule it seems to have no downsides. i once nearly swept frags with just one rockslide flinch and one crit and only lost cause i fucked up in the end and that was ou (hes obvs the better player here in this allegory). a best out of 3 would just be a better way to do this. can you at least ask what the doubles players here think before you decided no? I think for the sake of consistency alone that the change to best of three is off the table this season Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 rip 8-0 jayfeatskydd, JonazDK, DoubleJ and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Toast Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 after long discussions cause dede has a terrible timezone, we will be battling friday night at 9:30pm EDT dedegendut, PandaJJ and DaftCoolio 3 Link to comment
dataforce Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I put a comment on LegendP's profile yesterday, and it still says "Today, 5:02 AM". Do the times not change for posted comments on profiles? Link to comment
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dataforce Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 LegendP and I will be battling on Friday, 5:00 PM EST OrangeManiac 1 Link to comment
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Rigamorty Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I didn't like this because you won, the match doesnt matter to me. I liked it because of that ballin' new avatar. Link to comment
mcdoener Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 OU2: Baraccus(2) vs Foxdism(1) win over FoxDSim special thanks to Fox for the rematch after the DC Noad, Haazuu, Eggplant and 3 others 6 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 @Coolio: If Eggplant knew that Baraccus was better than Flareblitzz why wouldn't he use him in the first week? I don't think Eggplant knows the abilities of Baraccus so he is certainly not matchfixing. Baraccus has no matches played in the PSL so we don't know what'll happen. You're right in saying that substitutes shouldn't happen 'just cauz I forgot', but it's the second week to I tend to be a bit more lenient early on. He had seen my roster before he made his substitute and had therefore given him an unfair advantage, as he could have subbed him in anywhere. If I was right in saying substitute shouldn't happen "just cauz I forgot" then why has it happened? Because its early on people are allowed to break the rules? One battle could be the difference between making the play offs and not making the playoffs and this should be seen as serious not just something to brush under the rug. Sableye32 and PandaJJ 2 Link to comment
ThinkNice Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 He had seen my roster before he made his substitute and had therefore given him an unfair advantage, as he could have subbed him in anywhere. If I was right in saying substitute shouldn't happen "just cauz I forgot" then why has it happened? Because its early on people are allowed to break the rules? One battle could be the difference between making the play offs and not making the playoffs and this should be seen as serious not just something to brush under the rug. Because I believe Eggplant's intentions were honest and not like you boldly claim 'matchfixing'. And that's the last of it. Kanzo and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 He had seen my roster before he made his substitute and had therefore given him an unfair advantage, as he could have subbed him in anywhere. If I was right in saying substitute shouldn't happen "just cauz I forgot" then why has it happened? Because its early on people are allowed to break the rules? One battle could be the difference between making the play offs and not making the playoffs and this should be seen as serious not just something to brush under the rug. Well in eggplants defense, its not like you change who was playing OU anyways. And I assume you wouldn't be making a big deal if the substitute lost. Kanzo 1 Link to comment
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