Hotarubi Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 9 hours ago, RysPicz said: Close Combat, 120 base power outrage (kek), bringing back pokes like Dug, TTar, Mence, Dragonite. It all goes for one huge chain of events I think, I might be wrong as it's only my speculation though but I would see it most likely being like this: Legendaries implemented (FUCKING WHEN) -> Unban of most of ubers, prob only bar wabba/ dug -> maybe gen4 moves? maybe gen4 as a whole? I dunno. This game screams to have legendaries implemented. For 2.5 year I hear only that "legendary dungeons are in plans/ progress" so kinda kek. @Murcielago I'm way too sick and tired with my fever to go through, analyze and rip your post apart but you are missing the most important point- usage for a poke above 35% is already alarming, unless it's like in 2% tolerance and it's only one poke (see: Scizor in UU). Chansey has fucking 50% usage and I'm more than sure that it will be growing over the time. E: My bad, Chansey's usage is not 50%. It's 53- just checked latest usage stats As I believe I already said. The usage is what bothers me as well. Its not healthy IMO I feel that its kind of stale. If this usage becomes consistent or it rises even more I'm just going to be even more disappointed than when I see this kinds of thing. Not to put a negative perspective on the entire thing but more than half an hour? 3 hours ago, RysPicz said: We have been witnesses of an incredibly exciting battle in PSL! Chansey vs Chansey was a very exhausting duel, exchanging seismic tosses and healing themselves for over 30 minutes. The battle ended thanks to timer, which was quite predictable. This is just disgusting :( RysPicz, LuisPocho and KoolT93 3 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Hotarubi said: This is just disgusting :( I must agree. I mean, I wouldn't have anything against a battle like that if it would happen like once in a while. But this is happening incredibly frequently, I have like an hour or two of free time each day because of my work and almost each time I spectate an OU battle I end up watching a pp stall between Chanseys. god I wish I wasn't sick so I could elaborate Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
DiDi Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Hotarubi said: As I believe I already said. The usage is what bothers me as well. Its not healthy IMO I feel that its kind of stale. this argument is what bothers me if the usage of something is high, this just means you're more aware you have to bring something for it. it's really not like there's 1 or 2 things that can handle chansey, you have multiple options. sure it's annoying, but i'm not sure when the last time someone saw a chansey and said "screw this battle, there's no way i can stop this thing" was. At the end of the day you're talking about something so very limited. yes, the double status can indeed hurt select pokes of your team. yes, it can scout out your locked move and switch accordingly, but you can very easily lose momentum while using chansey too just due to its passive sets that it has to use. this isnt some lax like poke that can switch into you to wall you on turn 1 and then on turn 2 be an offensive threat with multiple sets at its use. i really don't know what to say other than if you're not prepared for chansey, why the hell are you even playing this tier tl;dr if you cant beat chansey it's time to breed some pikachus and play NU Spoiler then you can open a whole new thread about kecleon :) Edited February 17, 2017 by DiDi xilias, Calculatrize, Murcielago and 1 other 4 Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, DiDi said: this argument is what bothers me if the usage of something is high, this just means you're more aware you have to bring something for it. it's really not like there's 1 or 2 things that can handle chansey, you have multiple options. and thats the argument that bothers me... how many proof you need to see thats not true? matches and matches that show us how hard it´s to exploit chansey for good and bad players... its not about lack of imagination or skills... chansey is the perfect support, its way better than any other poke in OU, too few weakness that can be easily managed with team build imagine a weezing with 250 base hp and 100+ def and natural cure... would you still say "its not op because its a bait for calm mind users... and it doesnt even stop mixed meta and medicham and 51hp subs rhydons"? no way, that weezing would be ridiculous op for OU Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
codylramey Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) I read a piece about LoL a long time ago. They were discussing what makes a meta healthy. A healthy meta, according to this piece, is one that is always changing and adapting to new things. They used an example of one of the more OP characters in the game that was over used like chansey. -It was discovered that it was OP in the meta, people started using it, -people who didnt use it needed to adapt, -they discovered a handful of characters that counter, -they start using those characters, -meta changes, -OP character stops being used so much because of the change in the meta. Idk how much this applies in pokemon because you are choosing 6 pokes instead of 1 character but in the example they gave there was this character or characters that were too good not to use, then the meta changed to compensate for that. The difference between what is happening with chansey and what happens with LoL is that when people start using teams and pokes to "exploit" chansey, it still doesnt effect the usage. Im not really trying to say anything about this, just some food for thought. Also im curious, and you can pm me the answer to this to not throw off the discussion around chansey, if something like metagross saw usage like chansey would you people who are worried about usage above all still be concerned? If not why? Edited February 18, 2017 by codylramey LuisPocho 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 How about we don't ban chansey and make a pact instead; Whoever is seen using chansey atleast 50% of all his matches, gets laughed and mocked at for all of perpetuality. Link to comment
Suneet Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 OMG 66,000th post on Competition Alley! anyways chansey is bad, ban it, will expand later RysPicz 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 2017 and people still struggle against Chansey, smh. Calculatrize, DoubleJ, DiDi and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DiDi Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, LifeStyle said: 2017 and people still struggle against Chansey, smh. bad gonna bad LifeStyle 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 minute ago, DiDi said: bad gonna bad ikr as for me, I'm just trying to beat dem asian kids in yugioh duel links ranked, those are 1000x worse than Chansey LionKIng, WestTurtle, DiDi and 3 others 6 Link to comment
DiDi Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Just now, LifeStyle said: ikr as for me, I'm just trying to beat dem asian kids in yugioh duel links ranked, those are 1000x worse than Chansey wrong thread to say that in, these people will start playing and request a ban monster reborn discussion Link to comment
pachima Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 31 minutes ago, Suneet said: OMG 66,000th post on Competition Alley! anyways chansey is bad, ban it, will expand later if its bad, why ban? DiDi 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Just now, DiDi said: wrong thread to say that in, these people will start playing and request a ban Relinquished discussion Fixed Fuck that gay thing DiDi and Crimar 2 Link to comment
DiDi Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 minute ago, pachima said: if its bad, why ban? because there's no logic when supporting the ban of chansey Murcielago 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 How to beat chansey with every OU comp. venu: leech, growth, etc etc. chari: focus punch Arca: subreversal alakazam: focus punch Machamp: Bad matchup but if you are skilled enough to press superpower, you are fine Slowbro: focus punch Magneton: rest, recycle(optional), metal sound, tbolt- chesto berry. Dodrio: stab return Haunter: perish trap Marowak: A bone in her head. Weezing: pain split, taunt Rhydon: Tackle, maybe chansey; subpunch Kanga: another subpunch Starmie: Psych up swagger, or even camouflage facade Tauros: any banded stabbed decently powered move. Gyara: Rip chansey Jolteon: growth, rest Aerodactyl: Banded set Typhlosion: focus punch. Feraligatr: same as gyarados espeon: same as jolteon umbreon: Taunt + toxic + moonlight (mean look if u wish to trap that shit) Forre: block + rock smash + pin missile Heracross: Legend says no chansey has faced heracross and survived to tell the tale Ursaring: Bears like eggs Skarmory: taunt + toxic + rest Houndoom: banded beat up Kingdra: ddance rest Porygon2: Banded facade, trick, sharpen, pain split (anything, really) Sceptile: sd, focus punch, bla bla Blaziken: Have a brain. swampert: cant be toxiced, 2hkoes her ez linoone: drumspeed ludicolo: leech seed, sd, bla bla bla Garde: mean look + cm + rest + damaging move (rip chansey and sweep afterwards) Breloom: Press fight + damaging move Slaking: This one is tricky: all depends if chansey has protect or not, use vigoroth instead. Hariyama: Most hariyama struggle with chansey as she can 6hko it with seismic toss, but as long as you possess a fighting move, she can no longer pose a threat. Medicham: As a medic, its chansey´s rival, easy matchup. Flygon: EQ, super power, bla bla Zangoose: Easy sweep, sub for twave, return for easy kill Milotic: Sub flail Dusclops: mean look+ subpunch Metagross: Literally wrekcs her You still want it banned? Murcielago, DiDi, Erayne and 2 others 5 Link to comment
codylramey Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, pachima said: How to beat chansey with every OU comp. venu: leech, growth, etc etc. chari: focus punch Arca: subreversal alakazam: focus punch Machamp: Bad matchup but if you are skilled enough to press superpower, you are fine Slowbro: focus punch Magneton: rest, recycle(optional), metal sound, tbolt- chesto berry. Dodrio: stab return Haunter: perish trap Marowak: A bone in her head. Weezing: pain split, taunt Rhydon: Tackle, maybe chansey; subpunch Kanga: another subpunch Starmie: Psych up swagger, or even camouflage facade Tauros: any banded stabbed decently powered move. Gyara: Rip chansey Jolteon: growth, rest Aerodactyl: Banded set Typhlosion: focus punch. Feraligatr: same as gyarados espeon: same as jolteon umbreon: Taunt + toxic + moonlight (mean look if u wish to trap that shit) Forre: block + rock smash + pin missile Heracross: Legend says no chansey has faced heracross and survived to tell the tale Ursaring: Bears like eggs Skarmory: taunt + toxic + rest Houndoom: banded beat up Kingdra: ddance rest Porygon2: Banded facade, trick, sharpen, pain split (anything, really) Sceptile: sd, focus punch, bla bla Blaziken: Have a brain. swampert: cant be toxiced, 2hkoes her ez linoone: drumspeed ludicolo: leech seed, sd, bla bla bla Garde: mean look + cm + rest + damaging move (rip chansey and sweep afterwards) Breloom: Press fight + damaging move Slaking: This one is tricky: all depends if chansey has protect or not, use vigoroth instead. Hariyama: Most hariyama struggle with chansey as she can 6hko it with seismic toss, but as long as you possess a fighting move, she can no longer pose a threat. Medicham: As a medic, its chansey´s rival, easy matchup. Flygon: EQ, super power, bla bla Zangoose: Easy sweep, sub for twave, return for easy kill Milotic: Sub flail Dusclops: mean look+ subpunch Metagross: Literally wrekcs her You still want it banned? Just to spite ppl who post stuff like this... yes. Link to comment
Coge Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, pachima said: Metagross: Literally wrekcs her I've lost to a toxic chansey with full hp meta before, 3 mash misses in a row Link to comment
DiDi Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Coge said: I've lost to a toxic chansey with full hp meta before, 3 mash misses in a row use brick break next time Link to comment
pachima Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Coge said: I've lost to a toxic chansey with full hp meta before, 3 mash misses in a row Meta comes with an extra pack that prevent him from getting poisoned. Read instructions next time. Murcielago 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 So basically, use all the punches LuisPocho, DiDi and pachima 3 Link to comment
Erayne Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 43 minutes ago, Suneet said: OMG 66,000th post on Competition Alley! anyways chansey is bad, ban it, will expand later YOU are bad, chansey is bad too, don't ban it Link to comment
suigin Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 4 hours ago, pachima said: How to beat chansey with every OU comp. venu: leech, growth, etc etc. chari: focus punch Arca: subreversal alakazam: focus punch Machamp: Bad matchup but if you are skilled enough to press superpower, you are fine Slowbro: focus punch Magneton: rest, recycle(optional), metal sound, tbolt- chesto berry. Dodrio: stab return Haunter: perish trap Marowak: A bone in her head. Weezing: pain split, taunt Rhydon: Tackle, maybe chansey; subpunch Kanga: another subpunch Starmie: Psych up swagger, or even camouflage facade Tauros: any banded stabbed decently powered move. Gyara: Rip chansey Jolteon: growth, rest Aerodactyl: Banded set Typhlosion: focus punch. Feraligatr: same as gyarados espeon: same as jolteon umbreon: Taunt + toxic + moonlight (mean look if u wish to trap that shit) Forre: block + rock smash + pin missile Heracross: Legend says no chansey has faced heracross and survived to tell the tale Ursaring: Bears like eggs Skarmory: taunt + toxic + rest Houndoom: banded beat up Kingdra: ddance rest Porygon2: Banded facade, trick, sharpen, pain split (anything, really) Sceptile: sd, focus punch, bla bla Blaziken: Have a brain. swampert: cant be toxiced, 2hkoes her ez linoone: drumspeed ludicolo: leech seed, sd, bla bla bla Garde: mean look + cm + rest + damaging move (rip chansey and sweep afterwards) Breloom: Press fight + damaging move Slaking: This one is tricky: all depends if chansey has protect or not, use vigoroth instead. Hariyama: Most hariyama struggle with chansey as she can 6hko it with seismic toss, but as long as you possess a fighting move, she can no longer pose a threat. Medicham: As a medic, its chansey´s rival, easy matchup. Flygon: EQ, super power, bla bla Zangoose: Easy sweep, sub for twave, return for easy kill Milotic: Sub flail Dusclops: mean look+ subpunch Metagross: Literally wrekcs her You still want it banned? All of them apply to Blissey and Salamence too surprisingly. Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, suigin said: All of them apply to Blissey and Salamence too surprisingly. Not really, salamence's raw power in general will just dent them in the firstplace where you'll think twice doing that thing again. Link to comment
suigin Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Just now, Spaintakula said: Not really, salamence's raw power in general will just dent them in the firstplace where you'll think twice doing that thing again. just carry hp ice on literally everything if chansey lets every focus punch by normally special attackers hit it many times over and stays on the things it doesn't wall then this is a realistic scenario too Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, suigin said: just carry hp ice on literally everything if chansey lets every focus punch by normally special attackers hit it many times over and stays on the things it doesn't wall then this is a realistic scenario too I mean, I do understand half of the sets he said were gimmicks, but the other half are just probable win cons that aren't just good vs chansey but other things too when played right. Link to comment
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