KOHHuiXIN Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 With the update not being a distant dream anymore and several questions regarding the update being answered, perhaps this is the time to discuss what tiers of competitive could/should be implemented. With 200+ new Pokemon being added (not sure about Rotom forms or other mythic pokemons), It's probably recognised that RU will be implemented to mirror Smogons tier system. However what about Smogons newly recognised official tier of singles 6v6 Monotype? Will there ever be an Anything Goes tier as to allow absolute freedom (and bring all the cancer strats to life). I can see monotype being potentially broken as the dragons run rampant during gen 5, so maybe there will need to be heavy restricting on the tier, but its definitely a competitive meta to play on showdown, I don't see why we can't bring that towards the update. Please share your views Link to comment
Munya Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 This seems more like a discussion than a suggestion, moving it to comp alley. I will say though, on release you will have three main tiers you currently have, OU, a temporary UU, and a temporary NU, until usage does its thing. If anything is added in the future its hard to say at this point but its likely not going to be at release. Link to comment
KOHHuiXIN Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Not too worried about release, since people will be experimenting and the tiers will be sorted out by the council + usage during that time. This is more about later will we be expanding or is the baseline tiers of OU/UU/RU/NU all the devs/community want Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 The competitive community isn't big enough to keep trying to spread focus across even more tiers. UU and NU are already hard enough to get full brackets of, we don't need to divide the attention of competitive players even more than that. Link to comment
ykh9108 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Rigamorty said: The competitive community isn't big enough to keep trying to spread focus across even more tiers. UU and NU are already hard enough to get full brackets of, we don't need to divide the attention of competitive players even more than that. What?? 200+ new pokemon. We need RU Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Munya said: This seems more like a discussion than a suggestion, moving it to comp alley. I will say though, on release you will have three main tiers you currently have, OU, a temporary UU, and a temporary NU, until usage does its thing. If anything is added in the future its hard to say at this point but its likely not going to be at release. How are you planning to make anything besides OU without any usage? Also the usage from UU to form a NU tier is completely void if the UU tier wasn't made "properly", so it's not like usage would be even allowed to be doing its thing. In addition, you're gonna have to reset OU usage after every ban from OU so there's that as well and obviously on release you will have lots of things to ban or suspect test at least. Unless of course you created some new tiering system the community doesn't know about. I don't think implementing a 4th tier would be out of the question. For me I think a great idea would be putting out RU as the third tier and then just wait and see whether there's a realistic chance for 4th tier (NU) based on data like how brackets fill, overall player statistics on the server and so on. Implementing OU-UU-NU kinda locks you having only three tiers and implementing 4th would be more tricky if it's ever possible. LifeStyle and kevola 2 Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, OrangeManiac said: Unless of course you created some new tiering system the community doesn't know about. Tier council got together and built the tiers personally. They're just temporary until we get actual usage/shit stops being volatile. Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Rigamorty said: Tier council got together and built the tiers personally. They're just temporary until we get actual usage/shit stops being volatile. I mean, I appreciate the work but... Don't you think it's a bit pointless for such a short time? Furthermore, since the vast majority of comp players don't even read forums actively and even fewer understand how tiering actually works then you're basically making people who want to play NU or UU start to breed and raise Pokemon for those tiers and just in a few months the tiers are completely different. Doesn't matter how wizard you are there is no way you can tell what Pokemon will realistically go in a certain tier. So if anything I think for the most part it's only teasing the lower tier players and making them do pointless work. And no to mention there was a UU tier after 3 months in Hoenn and iirc that was during the time usage was gathered manually. Don't think it would take too long to get a proper UU tier by matchmaking actual usage. razimove and Zymogen 2 Link to comment
razimove Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 It will be chaos and that's healthy to the game, eventually things will fall into place. Just make sure you actually go and read about their checks, and who in the tier can work as one to a certain pokemon. A good example being Staraptor, check what can deal well with him, other than skarmory for example. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 14 hours ago, OrangeManiac said: I mean, I appreciate the work but... Don't you think it's a bit pointless for such a short time? Furthermore, since the vast majority of comp players don't even read forums actively and even fewer understand how tiering actually works then you're basically making people who want to play NU or UU start to breed and raise Pokemon for those tiers and just in a few months the tiers are completely different. Doesn't matter how wizard you are there is no way you can tell what Pokemon will realistically go in a certain tier. So if anything I think for the most part it's only teasing the lower tier players and making them do pointless work. And no to mention there was a UU tier after 3 months in Hoenn and iirc that was during the time usage was gathered manually. Don't think it would take too long to get a proper UU tier by matchmaking actual usage. Not our call Zehkar and gbwead 2 Link to comment
Moetal Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm more interested at what is going to be banned to uber. Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Moetal said: I'm more interested at what is going to be banned to uber. New approach is trying to balance mechanics for the sake of nothing being uber. We'll see how that goes. Also we've been given permission to share the tier lists we've made for community input. I'll post those in this thread when I get home from work if no one does it before then. Link to comment
Moetal Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Welcome back fatty cancer Chancer and Snorlax. Time to abandon ship. Jordzi 1 Link to comment
suigin Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 They won't be as strong this time around. Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, Moetal said: Welcome back fatty cancer Chancer and Snorlax. Time to abandon ship. what? Link to comment
Moetal Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said: what? What? Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Moetal said: Chancer 55 minutes ago, suigin said: They won't be as strong this time around. Jordzi and HowLXG 2 Link to comment
Moetal Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Just now, notmudkip0 said: N-no Link to comment
suigin Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 minute ago, notmudkip0 said: Spoiler Elliasal, Crimar, KaynineXL and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. OU Spoiler Aerodactyl Azumarill Bisharp Blaziken Blissey Breloom Bronzong Chandelure Chansey Conkeldurr Dragonite Dugtrio Excadrill Ferrothorn Flygon Forretress Gengar Gliscor Gyarados Haxorus Heracross Hydreigon Jellicent Kingdra Lucario Machamp Magnezone Mamoswine Medicham Metagross Milotic Pelipper Porygon-Z Reuniclus Rhyperior Salamence Scizor Skarmory Slowbro Snorlax Staraptor Starmie Swampert Togekiss Tyranitar Venusaur Volcarona Weavile Yanmega UU Spoiler Absol Alakazam Altaria Ambipom Arcanine Archeops Armaldo Beartic Bouffalant Braviary Carracosta Charizard Clefable Cloyster Cofagrigus Crobat Darmanitan Dodrio Durant Dusclops Dusknoir Electivire Emboar Espeon Feraligatr Froslass Gallade Gardevoir Gigalith Golurk Gothitelle Hariyama Hitmonlee Honchkrow Houndoom Jolteon Kangaskhan Krookodile Lilligant Linoone Ludicolo Magneton Marowak Mienshao Miltank Mismagius Nidoking Nidoqueen Porygon2 Rhydon Roserade Samurott Sceptile Scrafty Sigilyph Slaking Stoutland Swellow Tangrowth Tauros Tentacruel Torkoal Typhlosion Umbreon Ursaring Vaporeon Venomoth Weezing Whimsicott Zangoose NU Spoiler Abra Accelgor Aggron Aipom Alomomola Amoonguss Ampharos Anorith Arbok Archen Ariados Aron Audino Axew Azurill Bagon Baltoy Banette Barboach Basculin Bayleef Beautifly Beedrill Beheeyem Beldum Bellossom Bellsprout Bibarel Bidoof Blastoise Blitzle Boldore Bonsly Bronzor Budew Buizel Bulbasaur Burmy Butterfree Cacnea Cacturne Camerupt Carvanha Cascoon Castform Caterpie Charmander Charmeleon Chikorita Chimecho Chinchou Chingling Cinccino Clamperl Claydol Clefairy Cleffa Combee Combusken Corphish Corsola Cottonee Cradily Crawdaunt Croconaw Crustle Cryogonal Cubchoo Cubone Cyndaquil Darumaka Deerling Deino Delcatty Delibird Dewgong Dewott Diglett Ditto Doduo Donphan Dragonair Dratini Drifblim Drifloon Drilbur Drowzee Druddigon Ducklett Dunsparce Duosion Duskull Dustox Dwebble Eelektrik Eelektross Eevee Ekans Electabuzz Electrike Electrode Elekid Elgyem Emolga Escavalier Exeggcute Exeggutor Exploud Farfetch'd Fearow Feebas Ferroseed Finneon Flaaffy Flareon Floatzel Foongus Fraxure Frillish Furret Galvantula Garbodor Gastly Geodude Girafarig Glaceon Glalie Gligar Gloom Golbat Goldeen Golduck Golem Golett Gorebyss Gothita Gothorita Granbull Graveler Grimer Grovyle Growlithe Grumpig Gulpin Gurdurr Happiny Haunter Heatmor Herdier Hitmonchan Hitmontop Hoothoot Hoppip Horsea Houndour Huntail Hypno Igglybuff Illumise Ivysaur Jigglypuff Joltik Jumpluff Jynx Kabuto Kabutops Kadabra Kakuna Karrablast Kecleon Kingler Kirlia Klang Klink Klinklang Koffing Krabby Krokorok Lairon Lampent Lanturn Lapras Larvesta Larvitar Leafeon Leavanny Ledian Ledyba Lickilicky Lickitung Liepard Lileep Lillipup Litwick Lombre Lotad Loudred Lumineon Lunatone Luvdisc Luxio Luxray Machoke Machop Magby Magcargo Magikarp Magmar Magmortar Magnemite Makuhita Mandibuzz Manectric Mankey Mantine Mantyke Maractus Mareep Marill Marshtomp Masquerain Mawile Meditite Meganium Meowth Metang Metapod Mienfoo Mightyena Mime Jr. Minccino Minun Misdreavus Mothim Mr. Mime Mudkip Muk Munchlax Munna Murkrow Musharna Natu Nidoran♀ Nidoran♂ Nidorina Nidorino Nincada Ninetales Ninjask Noctowl Nosepass Numel Nuzleaf Octillery Oddish Omanyte Omastar Onix Oshawott Palpitoad Panpour Pansage Pansear Paras Parasect Patrat Pawniard Persian Petilil Phanpy Pichu Pidgeot Pidgeotto Pidgey Pidove Pignite Pikachu Piloswine Pineco Pinsir Plusle Politoed Poliwag Poliwhirl Poliwrath Ponyta Poochyena Porygon Primeape Probopass Psyduck Pupitar Purrloin Quagsire Quilava Qwilfish Raichu Ralts Rapidash Raticate Rattata Relicanth Remoraid Rhyhorn Riolu Roggenrola Roselia Rufflet Sableye Sandile Sandshrew Sandslash Sawk Sawsbuck Scolipede Scraggy Scyther Seadra Seaking Sealeo Seedot Seel Seismitoad Sentret Serperior Servine Seviper Sewaddle Sharpedo Shedinja Shelgon Shellder Shelmet Shiftry Shinx Shroomish Shuckle Shuppet Silcoon Simipour Simisage Simisear Skiploom Skitty Slakoth Slowking Slowpoke Slugma Smeargle Smoochum Sneasel Snivy Snorunt Snubbull Solosis Solrock Spearow Spheal Spinarak Spinda Spoink Squirtle Stantler Staravia Starly Staryu Steelix Stunfisk Sudowoodo Sunflora Sunkern Surskuit Swablu Swadloon Swalot Swanna Swinub Swoobat Taillow Tangela Teddiursa Tentacool Tepig Throh Timburr Tirtouga Togepi Togetic Torchic Totodile Tranquil Trapinch Treecko Tropius Trubbish Tympole Tynamo Tyrogue Unfezant Unown Vanillish Vanillite Vanilluxe Venipede Venonat Vespiquen Vibrava Victreebel Vigoroth Vileplume Volbeat Voltorb Vullaby Vulpix Wailmer Wailord Walrein Wartortle Watchdog Weedle Weepinbell Whirlipede Whiscash Whismur Wigglytuff Wingull Woobat Wooper Wormadam Plant Wormadam Sandy Wormadam Trash Wurmple Wynaut Xatu Yamask Yanma Zebstrika Zigzagoon Zorua Zubat Zweilous Link to comment
Moetal Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 44 minutes ago, suigin said: Reveal hidden contents You missed one Spoiler Link to comment
suigin Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Moetal said: You missed one Reveal hidden contents I wish it did something to Chansey Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, suigin said: I wish it did something to Chansey Fire Spin/Toxic/Swagger/Rest Link to comment
ykh9108 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, Rigamorty said: Here are the tiers as we have them now for when the update hits. If there's anyone who sees something that we may have missed that seems offsetting let us know. Things we're currently talking about are Cloyster from UU to OU, Gigalith from OU to UU, and Darmanitan from UU to OU. OU Reveal hidden contents Aerodactyl Azumarill Bisharp Blaziken Blissey Breloom Bronzong Chandelure Chansey Conkeldurr Dragonite Dugtrio Excadrill Ferrothorn Flygon Forretress Gengar Gliscor Gyarados Haxorus Heracross Hydreigon Jellicent Kingdra Lucario Machamp Magnezone Mamoswine Medicham Metagross Milotic Pelipper Porygon-Z Reuniclus Rhyperior Salamence Scizor Skarmory Slowbro Snorlax Staraptor Starmie Swampert Togekiss Tyranitar Venusaur Volcarona Weavile Yanmega UU Reveal hidden contents Absol Alakazam Altaria Ambipom Arcanine Archeops Armaldo Beartic Bouffalant Braviary Carracosta Charizard Clefable Cloyster Cofagrigus Crobat Darmanitan Dodrio Durant Dusclops Dusknoir Electivire Emboar Espeon Feraligatr Froslass Gallade Gardevoir Gigalith Golurk Gothitelle Hariyama Hitmonlee Honchkrow Houndoom Jolteon Kangaskhan Krookodile Lilligant Linoone Ludicolo Magneton Marowak Mienshao Miltank Mismagius Nidoking Nidoqueen Porygon2 Rhydon Roserade Samurott Sceptile Scrafty Sigilyph Slaking Stoutland Swellow Tangrowth Tauros Tentacruel Torkoal Typhlosion Umbreon Ursaring Vaporeon Venomoth Weezing Whimsicott Zangoose NU Reveal hidden contents Abra Accelgor Aggron Aipom Alomomola Amoonguss Ampharos Anorith Arbok Archen Ariados Aron Audino Axew Azurill Bagon Baltoy Banette Barboach Basculin Bayleef Beautifly Beedrill Beheeyem Beldum Bellossom Bellsprout Bibarel Bidoof Blastoise Blitzle Boldore Bonsly Bronzor Budew Buizel Bulbasaur Burmy Butterfree Cacnea Cacturne Camerupt Carvanha Cascoon Castform Caterpie Charmander Charmeleon Chikorita Chimecho Chinchou Chingling Cinccino Clamperl Claydol Clefairy Cleffa Combee Combusken Corphish Corsola Cottonee Cradily Crawdaunt Croconaw Crustle Cryogonal Cubchoo Cubone Cyndaquil Darumaka Deerling Deino Delcatty Delibird Dewgong Dewott Diglett Ditto Doduo Donphan Dragonair Dratini Drifblim Drifloon Drilbur Drowzee Druddigon Ducklett Dunsparce Duosion Duskull Dustox Dwebble Eelektrik Eelektross Eevee Ekans Electabuzz Electrike Electrode Elekid Elgyem Emolga Escavalier Exeggcute Exeggutor Exploud Farfetch'd Fearow Feebas Ferroseed Finneon Flaaffy Flareon Floatzel Foongus Fraxure Frillish Furret Galvantula Garbodor Gastly Geodude Girafarig Glaceon Glalie Gligar Gloom Golbat Goldeen Golduck Golem Golett Gorebyss Gothita Gothorita Granbull Graveler Grimer Grovyle Growlithe Grumpig Gulpin Gurdurr Happiny Haunter Heatmor Herdier Hitmonchan Hitmontop Hoothoot Hoppip Horsea Houndour Huntail Hypno Igglybuff Illumise Ivysaur Jigglypuff Joltik Jumpluff Jynx Kabuto Kabutops Kadabra Kakuna Karrablast Kecleon Kingler Kirlia Klang Klink Klinklang Koffing Krabby Krokorok Lairon Lampent Lanturn Lapras Larvesta Larvitar Leafeon Leavanny Ledian Ledyba Lickilicky Lickitung Liepard Lileep Lillipup Litwick Lombre Lotad Loudred Lumineon Lunatone Luvdisc Luxio Luxray Machoke Machop Magby Magcargo Magikarp Magmar Magmortar Magnemite Makuhita Mandibuzz Manectric Mankey Mantine Mantyke Maractus Mareep Marill Marshtomp Masquerain Mawile Meditite Meganium Meowth Metang Metapod Mienfoo Mightyena Mime Jr. Minccino Minun Misdreavus Mothim Mr. Mime Mudkip Muk Munchlax Munna Murkrow Musharna Natu Nidoran♀ Nidoran♂ Nidorina Nidorino Nincada Ninetales Ninjask Noctowl Nosepass Numel Nuzleaf Octillery Oddish Omanyte Omastar Onix Oshawott Palpitoad Panpour Pansage Pansear Paras Parasect Patrat Pawniard Persian Petilil Phanpy Pichu Pidgeot Pidgeotto Pidgey Pidove Pignite Pikachu Piloswine Pineco Pinsir Plusle Politoed Poliwag Poliwhirl Poliwrath Ponyta Poochyena Porygon Primeape Probopass Psyduck Pupitar Purrloin Quagsire Quilava Qwilfish Raichu Ralts Rapidash Raticate Rattata Relicanth Remoraid Rhyhorn Riolu Roggenrola Roselia Rufflet Sableye Sandile Sandshrew Sandslash Sawk Sawsbuck Scolipede Scraggy Scyther Seadra Seaking Sealeo Seedot Seel Seismitoad Sentret Serperior Servine Seviper Sewaddle Sharpedo Shedinja Shelgon Shellder Shelmet Shiftry Shinx Shroomish Shuckle Shuppet Silcoon Simipour Simisage Simisear Skiploom Skitty Slakoth Slowking Slowpoke Slugma Smeargle Smoochum Sneasel Snivy Snorunt Snubbull Solosis Solrock Spearow Spheal Spinarak Spinda Spoink Squirtle Stantler Staravia Starly Staryu Steelix Stunfisk Sudowoodo Sunflora Sunkern Surskuit Swablu Swadloon Swalot Swanna Swinub Swoobat Taillow Tangela Teddiursa Tentacool Tepig Throh Timburr Tirtouga Togepi Togetic Torchic Totodile Tranquil Trapinch Treecko Tropius Trubbish Tympole Tynamo Tyrogue Unfezant Unown Vanillish Vanillite Vanilluxe Venipede Venonat Vespiquen Vibrava Victreebel Vigoroth Vileplume Volbeat Voltorb Vullaby Vulpix Wailmer Wailord Walrein Wartortle Watchdog Weedle Weepinbell Whirlipede Whiscash Whismur Wigglytuff Wingull Woobat Wooper Wormadam Plant Wormadam Sandy Wormadam Trash Wurmple Wynaut Xatu Yamask Yanma Zebstrika Zigzagoon Zorua Zubat Zweilous Where is Rotom??? 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Rigamorty Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Just now, ykh9108 said: Where is Rotom??? @Darkshade is actually satan and decided we won't be getting it until Sinnoh becomes a thing. ;_;7 Link to comment
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