Nawe Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, BurntZebra said: For future weeks, players may submit their teams to me in case we have another situation like this or an unexpected DC. Also if either player is caught changing sets on any of their pokemon, they will receive a red card and will not be able to play in the playoffs. Show strategies to another player of the tournament, it is not mistrust, but it is not good, for next seasons, if the host dont participate, can be good Bilburt 1 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Just now, Rigamorty said: You're really missing my point here. the point is you can't prove anyone had any move other than the revealed ones, so you can't say at all whose favor it was in. By that logic your clefable had 0 attacking moves but at least we saw u-turn on scizor which eventually kills, so he was in favor then right? because i can't prove he had superpower and you can't prove you weren't running anything other than calm mind. Regarding me having ONLY calm mind, this is a team I've laddered with. I double check my teams to see if everything is perfect. If I notice something out of place, then I immediately announce it before turn 1 to rematch. That's what I spend my time with the 10 min. I did the same with Gunthug in PSL 6 when I noticed the HP on Zapdos was wrong. He can confirm this on my behalf. So assuming that what I'm saying is true, it doesn't make sense from my perspective to give a rematch with diff teams. Edited August 3, 2017 by NikhilR gbwead 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Nawe said: Show strategies to another player of the tournament, it is not mistrust, but it is not good, for next seasons, if the host dont participate, can be good If it is a match my team is involved in, then they may submit it to another trustworthy individual, if they would prefer. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, BurntZebra said: If it is a match my team is involved in, then they may submit it to another trustworthy individual, if they would prefer. Can pass the team's to @Rigamorty. He's small council and his team is rip. Link to comment
Kimikozen Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) I will do as host says, and I won't be scum and change my set. But, the fact that this went to a replication boggles my mind. If PSL is about competitiveness then I think its more competitive to have a fresh DPP match than to hold an artificial game in which hax can change both of our positions massively before the actual replicated situation. If I EQ crit turn 1, do we play another one? Does he still goto skarmory? There is infinite scenarios in which one of us gets unfairly fucked over. I think Nik and I have enough respect for the game and league that we wouldn't change our sets, but the possibility is still there. And the possibility of getting screwed by something that wasn't going to happen in the first game is stupid. The DC was unnatural and no ones fault, but the way the situation was handled is pretty bullshit. I agree with Zeb's new team revealing thing on paper, and no situation like this will ever happen again. But why should, hypothetically speaking, Nik or I get screwed over by a scummy set change or dumb hax that happens exclusively in game 2, where instead we could have fresh match? There was no rule in place, and so why not have a clean slate, instead of a made up instanteous rule made by one individual.. But whatever, even though I think the replication is stupid, I will go through with it. Edited August 3, 2017 by Kimikozen notmudkip0, ORBFLUX, RysPicz and 3 others 6 Link to comment
XPLOZ Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, DestructX said: This is gonna be funny when Flygon reveals screech and nobody can say shit to Kimi about it since it was an unrevealed move. Just saying that recreating a battle is very stupid since too many things have to go correctly for it to work out. At this point though i don't care and I just want to see a battle "Sadly" this point is totally true. If this happens, will kimi be accused of cheating ? gbwead, DoubleJ and Coge 3 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Starting again: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen4ou-612803952 Kamimiii 1 Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kimikozen said: I will do as host says, and I won't be scum and change my set. But, the fact that this went to a replication boggles my mind. If PSL is about competitiveness then I think its more competitive to have a fresh DPP match than to hold an artificial game in which hax can change both of our positions massively before the actual replicated situation. If I EQ crit turn 1, do we play another one? Does he still goto skarmory? There is infinite scenarios in which one of us gets unfairly fucked over. I think Nik and I have enough respect for the game and league that we wouldn't change our sets, but the possibility is still there. And the possibility of getting screwed by something that wasn't going to happen in the first game is stupid. The DC was unnatural and no ones fault, but the way the situation was handled is pretty bullshit. I agree with Zeb's new team revealing thing on paper, and no situation like this will ever happen again. But why should, hypothetically speaking, Nik or I get screwed over by a scummy set change or dumb hax that happens exclusively in game 2, where instead we could have fresh match? There was no rule in place, and so why not have a clean slate, instead of a made up instanteous rule made by one individual.. But whatever, even though I think the replication is stupid, I will go through with it. The way you get to the end result doesn't matter. If will o wisp misses vs flygon, then just eq again, not a hard concept. As for SPL, recreations are a fairly common practice for weird accidents where the server freezes or someone disconnects and both players would prefer to just play it out from where they left off, instead of starting on a new blank slate, so let's not pretend replications are not competitive all of a sudden. Link to comment
gbwead Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 What if Kimi changes his items to scope lens? Link to comment
Flavawhat Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 the best game i have ever watched Toast, EricTheGreat and NikhilR 3 Link to comment
OldKeith Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 the best part of this game was not the game itself, but the pages of drama that will follow. Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 not only a recreation but not even an accurate one lol. literally why even spike that second time Link to comment
Gunthug Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 There is no right decision when you're the host. You'll always piss a group of people off no matter what you do. Anyone who thinks Nik didn't deserve that win doesn't know dpp, we should just be happy that the actual outcome was by far the most likely outcome had the shutdown not happened. SirAlbert, DiDi, JIceJDragon and 10 others 13 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Torinnnnn said: big flexers stepping up to play nowwwwww ^ Kimikozen and NikhilR 2 Link to comment
EricTheGreat Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 lmfao what the fuck just happened Link to comment
OldKeith Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, EricTheGreat said: lmfao what the fuck just happened Are you talking about the game or about The Gain Train's season? Zymogen, Torinnnnn, gbwead and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Bilburt Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, EricTheGreat said: lmfao what the fuck just happened everything is way more fun without you EricTheGreat, gbwead and Torinnnnn 3 Link to comment
EricTheGreat Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, OldKeith said: Are you talking about the game or about The Gain Train's season? i just want to hold my L and leave Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Literally all of Zebra's pooped calls were against a NORE player this season. hmm ye must be only a coincidence. RysPicz, Kimikozen and BlackJovi 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Btw I think it's also worth noting that most of us would also fight for a full rematch in Kimi's position and he owed it to his team to do so, even though I personally think Nik deserved the win. NikhilR 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, LifeStyle said: Literally all of Zebra's pooped calls were against a NORE player this season. hmm ye must be only a coincidence. On 7/31/2017 at 3:49 AM, BurntZebra said: #NOREdodgedallthegoodteams ahhhhh nvm, just uguu riding. BlackJovi 1 Link to comment
Kimikozen Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Gunthug said: There is no right decision when you're the host. You'll always piss a group of people off no matter what you do. Anyone who thinks Nik didn't deserve that win doesn't know dpp, we should just be happy that the actual outcome was by far the most likely outcome had the shutdown not happened. I basically agree. I just don't agree with the fact that variables outside of hax inside the game could affect the second game most likely outcome, no matter who it favors. But in any scenario, Nik deserves the win now based on rules Zeb set. idc what other people say about zeb or his calls but those opinions don't reflect mine. Also sorry about being salty in showdown chat and shoving hypotheticals down ppls throats but i was just trying to prove my point + in the moment saltiness. Edited August 3, 2017 by Kimikozen TJXD, Suneet, kevola and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Kimikozen said: I basically agree. I just don't agree with the fact that variables outside of hax inside the game could affect the second game most likely outcome, no matter who it favors. But in any scenario, Nik deserves the win now based on rules Zeb set. idc what other people say about zeb or his calls but those opinions don't reflect mine. Also sorry about being salty in showdown chat and shoving hypotheticals down ppls throats but i was just trying to prove my point + in the moment saltiness. Yeah thats fair, i think the main problem is that there is no real "fair" solution here. A full rematch is obviously largely unfair to Nik, and the attempted recreation was always going to be a little unfair to you. Tough choice for the host, I think you've gotta give the edge there to the person who was in the better position to win. But again, frustration is understandable when stupid shit like a server shutdown gets in the way of psl Kimikozen, Arimanius and NikhilR 3 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Gunthug said: Yeah thats fair, i think the main problem is that there is no real "fair" solution here. A full rematch is obviously largely unfair to Nik, and the attempted recreation was always going to be a little unfair to you. Tough choice for the host, I think you've gotta give the edge there to the person who was in the better position to win. But again, frustration is understandable when stupid shit like a server shutdown gets in the way of psl Where the fuck where u when the eq hit me huh? HUH? T.T *Cry alone in a corner* aftershocker, Zymogen, RysPicz and 5 others 8 Link to comment
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