7 minutes ago, RysPicz said:

You guys are seriously considering knock off buff and baton pass?

No, its just a review of the bans to see if anything needs to come off, some of this stuff has been on the list since like 2017? Many many years at the least.  Its written into the policy(or will be if i forgot to do it) that at the end of every year now we review the list instead of just letting them rot forever never to be looked at.

 

Currently I am asking them if any of these need a serious discussion, they are voting on this for each one individually and you are all free to try and sway some minds during this phase, if something get through this phase then it can be looked at more in depth with normal discussion procedures.

Starting off a new year, end of season cutoffs 3.75 to go down 4.75 to go up.

 

To OU from UU: 

Mandibuzz

 

To UU from OU:

Gastrodon

Raikou

 

Nothing moves into or out of NU from or to UU.

 

This is also our month of review(it starts this month, discussion may/probably will carry over into January) for existing bans. Mostly just re-assessing where everybody is at with everything with the current state of the tiers. The list that I have is in the below spoiler.

Spoiler

Removed or not buffed Moves/Abilities/Mechanics
Swords Dance Garchomp
Knock Off buff
Outrage buff

Shadow Tag nerf
Baton Pass stat passing

 

All Tiers Banlist:
Moody

 

UU Banlist:
Darmanitan
Dugtrio
Haxorus
Lucario
Kingdra
Porygon2
Shaymin
Staraptor

 

NU Banlist:
Durant
Feraligatr
Medicham
Machamp
Nidoqueen
Rhyperior
Roserade
Vaporeon
Venomoth

 

 

If it requires dev intervention chances are you can blame us because we either greenlit it or did it ourselves.  I don't remember the specific discussion but I do know the want to keep it as close to its original implementation while not being broken is a dev desire though.

It was felt  that the nerfs to the ability may have been hasty.  We have the technology now to revert the nerf without an update though so it can be dropped back down immediately if need be.

27 minutes ago, Totila said:

Thanks for the answer @Kyu, I really appreciate it!

 

So, if I'm not doing any math wrong here, dividing the new rate by the base rate and decreasing it by 1 gives the increase in rate for finding a shiny. So, dividing 1/19440 by 1/30000 gives a result of around 1.5432 (which - 1 results in 0.5432), which means a 54.32% increase in rate for finding shinies, instead of the 40% people suggested, or the 36% I assumed incorrectly. Or am I doing something wrong here?

 

If my math is right, this means both the shiny charm and the donor actually increase the shiny rate by 11.11% each instead of 10%. And as these values are compounded, this means that both together actually increase the base rate by around 23.46%

I think, don't quote me on it, you would want to divide the current rate with the given changes by the unmodified rate, so 19440 that he gave by 30000, which is .648 or 64.8%, so the current rate is 64.8% of what it is unmodified so a 35.2% increase no?

It will appear again.

Until it can be disabled or fixed, currently a bug with it major enough that we have warranted a temporary ban of its use.

Can you please avoid comments that rely entirely on speculation such as "Everybody thinks this or that", or "They are waiting for this to happen or that to happen" without actually knowing, or being able to know.  People can speak for themselves, they don't need you to do it for them.  You should make arguments for/from yourself from your own thoughts/opinions, not for/from other people and what you think they may be thinking.

Entei is now in UU, have fun with your Legendary DOG

What happens when you try and move past where a rock should be?

Its not supposed to be easy.

If you think it should be banned you should bring some arguments to the table, as it stands nobody has mentioned anything by it.  He is right in that generalized statements contribute nothing.  As far as we are aware, at least I anyways, its fine. Nobody has said anything about what or why its a problem if it is. 

19 minutes ago, caioxlive13 said:

Expecting that already. I doubt Entei would be falling down if all people could easily afford one and not only the top 0,5% of the ladder. 

This is pure theory, but is more likely to devs release more of those legends. Why not make them an exception for the usage system, at least when it haven't appeared for 2 entire cycles? In that case, the legends if below cutoff wouldn't drop normally, but instead voted if it could fall.

No, and please don't derail this thread with more of the top .5% players thing you keep pulling out of nowhere, they are not that expensive. I expect this to be the only post from you about this matter.

Second month of the season, usage cutoffs of 2.5 to go down, 6.0 to go up. 

 

To UU from OU:

Entei 

 

That's it for this month, feel free to discuss whatever you feel needs discussing within the tiers. As usual offtopic posts will be removed.

7 hours ago, Haxx said:

Haxorous have 1.31% overall usage in OU so its fair enough to become UU tier.

Its in BL, if you want to make a case for testing it again you can, but I don't think haxorus has ever come up where it didn't almost unanimously get shot down.

Go check the pokecenter on Cinnabar island and see if Bill is there.  if he isn't, go in and out of the gym, you may have teleported out of the gym which causes you to skip the trigger for the boat.

Does not matter, they are plenty affordable as far as we are concerned and they are in, at least one of them is, their second cycle of release.  If this was the first or second month of somethings release it might be a point of discussion but its not. Change the subject.

It in BL1, so unless they vote to test it again no.

Caoix is right i usually do those at the end of the season(UT/NU changes). 

Also re: why something was bannned, we did kind of a poor job in the past on stating why something was banned an even poorer job keeping logs of such things, starting very recently, this last month I believe for the Medicham thing, we're keeping internal logs of the discussions and the thread to be able to be reference.

The discussion threads are still publicly viewable as well in the archive.

The usage movements are now in game.

As per the suggestion box rules, please only provide one suggestion per suggestion box thread.

5.5% usage and up to move up, 3% and below to go down this month.

 

To UU from NU:

Gligar

Gigalith

 

To NU from UU:
Golem

 

Anything else need discussing this month? Bring it up here.

With these in the game now we can go ahead and move the discussions to the appropriate threads as they are needed.

At the very top of that pages article it explains why it is Feint Attack here.

 

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 spelled Faint Attack prior to Pokémon X and Y

 

They are working as intended.

Its actively being worked on/rearranged so yes it might not make much sense right now, thank you for your feedback. 

Specifically I was asked to clarify when bans will be handed out after a vote. 

But quickbans are also being reworked a bit to be an ongoing vote during a normal ban process so they don't necessarily "end" in the normal sense, if votes ever meet the criteria of a quickban(unanimous voting) then they can happen at any time without constantly needing to re-open a quick ban vote.  Once a Normal ban process vote happens both voting polls and the thread will be closed. 

 

As for past bans and ban processes they are irrelevant under current policy, we are not held to previous policy.