epicdavenport

Boots when?

What is so hard to understand about the fact that if Gallade enters into something it threatens, you're almost guaranteed to lose a Pokémon on the switch, pretty similar to the problem Hydreigon created? It's not that people want to kill it by walling it, it's about the fact that nothing in the OU metagame can switch into it safely or without taking heavy damage that can then guarantee a  KO from a teammate. And like gb said, it's not that there aren't a million calcs to prove what I said, it's that it's pointless to show you because you'll go on a tangent and completely miss the point even when confronted when objective truths like when you obsessed about Empoleon not being good because it's a UU mon.
 
Any other mon I'd accept that there's room for discussion, but Gallade has been talked about and agreed upon it being too much for our current metagame with its coverage, its damage output and the availability of different builds. Which is what Godhelll was mentioning. And it's always people who don't understand the meta + don't play enough games at a high enough elo who think that a mon that basically forces you to lose a piece from your team no matter what is somewhat tolerable. Hydreigon had a million checks in the meta, and it had to go for this exact reason: on first encounter, you'd be almost always losing a mon to it due to how hard it hits; no matter if it was because it chipped your pivots enough so that others could take them, or if it was because its set was unknown until it made a move. 1,5x Sharpness has no place in this meta, period. 1,3x was fine since it more or less acted like Hustle in a way, 1,4x was a bit too much to take on some 2HKO scenarios. And this is the last time I'm gonna respond to your schizoposting about it because there's obviously no point in giving you any argument, you'll just derail and start yapping about how whatever niche mon six seasons ago was somewhat similar or something like that.

Why not test Rhyperior in NU? It had a low usage for several months in UU, it has a high attack and defense but it is slow and has 2 x4 weaknesses.

The margin got changed because with the previous usage statistics it caused a lot of Pokemon to Yo-Yo between UU and NU respectively. By changing the usage as it is currently thanks to @gbwead and others, the lower tiers are now a lot more stable with 'major' changes only occurring on the third month instead.
 
Regarding Vaporeon, unless I misunderstood what you said, you're unable to pass stat changes on MMO. The main issue with Vaporeon was its combination of incredible bulk being able to handle the majority of physical threats in the tier who couldn't switch in safely in case of a Scald burn, decent special attack, its Wish + Protect combination (considering the fact that other recovery moves are nerfed) and the moveset of Toxic/Heal Bell pressuring other mons.
 
There's nothing in the tier that has changed since Vaporeon was banned so in my opinion I don't think this should be unbanned. Milotic is a bulky wall, but Vaporeon + Wish was the main issue personally.

If it were an odd number it would require a vote of 5-2 to pass and it still wouldn't.  1 vote difference isn't enough to pass a vote with current rules. Needs to be at least 2.

Piss off bro, sometimes I forget stuff

Durant is fairly close to the cut off atm. If it falls below is it one of the mons banned from NU?
 

It would be doubles only.

With the addition of complex bans we are currently discussing giving SD back to Garchomp as well as returning Shadow Tag to its unnerfed state.  If anybody has anything they would like to say about either of those things.

Though I'm sad Moltres is going to be UU I'm excited to see how my rain Moltres idea is going to pan out.
 

With the introduction of the Unova region and with it Hydreigon, the Tier Council and PokeMMO community agreed that Draco Meteor would be a problem. Draco Meteor, a 130 BP Dragon-Type move with 90% Accuracy and a devastating -2 SpAtt drop with each use, becomes a nuclear bomb when utilized by Hydreigon and its 125 SpAtt stat; mitigating the SpAtt drop as it does its job in one turn more often than not. A ban was implemented and Draco Meteor was removed from Hydreigon's learnset. 
 
Fast forward to today and Hydreigon spamming Draco Meteor is still a problem, even despite the introduction of Assault Gear and a more offensive oriented meta. 
 
After a thorough test, the TC has unanimously voted to once again ban Draco Meteor from competitive play.
 
Of note, senior developers have opted to complex ban Draco Meteor and only remove it from singles. Hydreigon will still have access to Draco Meteor in Doubles.

I would opt to remove evasiveness boosts from Acupressure's pool, that should fix it fairly well.

Staraptor remains banned.
 
First topic of discussion from BL2 with the most support of all of the discussions we had is Roserades ban to BL2.  Its currently also UU by usage but not by a lot.
 
Roserade will technically remain BL2 for now but have an asterisk on its name on my personal list in the event it ever drops below the cutoff again to signal a vote to actually test it at that time, there was pretty overwhelming support for unleashing this one if we could right now.
 
Talking about Rhyperior now which is below the cutoff and capable of dropping right now if it garnered the support.

First tier change in a cycle, 5.5% and up to move up, 3% and below to go down
 
Nothing is changing via usage.
 
We will however be placing Moltres in the UU Tier when it drops.
 
Draco Meteor test on Hydreigon has concluded, the move Draco Meteor on Hydreigon will be banned from competitive play in OU.

Except they are free to say in these discussions that this would be okay if that happened or if that was unbanned, and has come up in discussion a few times, so seems like a moot point
The only instruction that has been given of what not to do was to have a discussion about an arena trap ban from OU elsewhere if it was needed as this is a review of current bans not implementing a new ban which would need to follow normal procedures.
 
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All of the topics we are going through had some level of support even if minimal, and during this review we wish to give everyone their chance to voice there thoughts on a subject.  When we move on to NU bans though we will be going in order of most support/thoughts had on a bad to least instead of just vote order.  So more likely unbans will happen first in discussion when we get there.  It seems kind of important when we have 5 year old bans that people forgot were even a thing.

yes

Should just bring back banning stuff to Ubers instead of trying to fix it. 

I'm curious about the idea that it's reserved exclusively for Pokémon that need to be banned from OU. It seems like if such a rule exists, there might be instances where it's not strictly followed. I've noticed some situations where the same individuals involved in creating these rules sometimes seem to deviate from them. It could be interesting to explore how these rules are applied consistently. "Coughs in Gallade and Shaymin"

Loaded dice when?

There's no point in nerfing Seed Flare, because it would also mean the same could be done for all mons sitting in BL1; nerfing Haxorus by removing Swords/Dragon Dance, Nasty Plot/Swords Dance on Lucario, Flare Blitz on Darmanitan, etc etc.

Speaking of this can we ban acupressure? Lost a ranked match the other day because someone's first 3 uses raised evasion. Might not be as strong as moody with it's inherent boosts but I still has no place in a competitive environment.

Why would you ban the move? It would just become NUBL. Otherwise we could have what ever pokemon we wanted in any tier if we banned enough moves.
 
There are options for switch ins against a +2 qwilfish with Quagsire, defensive Qwilfish, haze Golbat ( no rocks of course ). It's also easily revenge killed by a number of special attackers due to its poor special bulk.
 
Theres an off meta option with Eviolite Metang. 
 
Not justifying it just adding other possible options.
 
Edit: Also forgot about Ferroseed which would be able to take some pretty serious hits from Qwil and retaliate with a mix of leech seed, gyro ball, and iron barbs.

Loaded dice when?

Why you gotta gatekeep the thread dude, nobody asked for your input either yet you've posted twice already, which is totally fine but what he said was totally on-topic and I could find myself agreeing with his post, why shouldn't he be allowed to share his opinion as well? You're free to disregard him if you disagree. That was just unnecessary
 
It might not be a problem for Mkns but it might just be for other players, just saying

Speaking of this can we ban acupressure? Lost a ranked match the other day because someone's first 3 uses raised evasion. Might not be as strong as moody with it's inherent boosts but I still has no place in a competitive environment.