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I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

I no longer play Pokemmo; the changes have been detrimental in the only tier that interested me. Firstly, the introduction of Gallade's hidden ability was a mistake. Following those changes, the Tier Council has been making questionable decisions regarding lower tiers. Some noteworthy examples include the sudden drops of Venomoth and Venusaur to NU for just a month, forcing breeders to invest in raising them, only to see them rise back the following month. Furthermore, I've read that Medicham, Milotic, and others have also dropped, which is truly absurd.
We were fine with Gallade without its hidden ability. It allowed us to handle Blaziken, sun teams, rain teams, 6 walls, venusaur and other shits effectively and counteract Bronzor spam with the option to use Gallade with Substitute and Bulk Up. Now, that combination no longer exists, and only Adamant or Jolly is used. I believe that, during this period, the tier changes have been somewhat ridiculous, especially in recent months. They are burying the NU tier further and further.
I appreciate not playing Pokemmo anymore, but I think, at the very least out of respect for new players, they should avoid making these temporary (1-month) changes, which seem to have become repetitive while I have not been actively playing.
P.D.: Regarding the Tier Council, I have always believed that its members should have knowledge of all tiers to prevent changes like "Blastoise" suddenly breaking the meta in NU, only to have it return to UU in November for being too many strong. 
 
 

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I think sub disable will inevitably prove to still be too much for NU. Nearly every offensive check is invalidated. Non choiced Blaziken rarely has the coverage to deal with it after fire STAB is disabled. Azumarill seems nice at first but Veno laughs at choice users just as easily. 
 
I can think of Gigalith, Golbat, Munchlax (lol?), and AV Magmortar (also lol?) to reliably deal with Veno. 
 
I'd love to introduce more setup options into a tier that doesn't have too many great choices, but I fear Veno will not only be offensive uber but also, in effect, make Gigalith nearly mandatory on most offensive team builds. 
 
edit: Added Golbat, duh. U-Turn sets will actually lose still...

This thing is too strong imo, it just need only one move to hit hard all the tier, also has the ablity to disable his counter by sleeping it, and its faster than blazi, which seem to be the only solid phy scarf in the tier, so the only option left to wall or kill it after dance are some bad scarf mons or non viable av/eviolite stuff

I agree with all the replies in here. Don't feel like there's much more to add.
 
Munchlax is the single best counter to this thing. That should say something itself.

Probably Aggron | Scyther Scarf | Av or Scarf Charizard | KlingKlang | Careful Braviary | Careful Golbat with Hidden Ability | Careful Dragonair at +2, it's a 2HKO. You can do something about it [+4 252 SpA Life Orb Venomoth Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dragonair: 140-165 (83.3 - 98.2%)] | there's also Munchlax | Av Escavalier could be an option as well.  
 
You have many good alternatives, but 90% are trash with the other strong monster in the tier. Just play HO or 6 walls. If you decide to go balanced, pray that Venomoth doesn't come out if you've covered the other powerful threats, or hope that your opponent loses their connection.

Probably Aggron | Scyther Scarf | Av or Scarf Charizard | KlingKlang | Careful Braviary | Careful Golbat with Hidden Ability | Careful Dragonair at +2, it's a 2HKO. You can do something about it [+4 252 SpA Life Orb Venomoth Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dragonair: 140-165 (83.3 - 98.2%)] | there's also Munchlax | Av Escavalier could be an option as well.  
 
You have many good alternatives, but 90% are trash with the other strong monster in the tier. Just play HO or 6 walls. If you decide to go balanced, pray that Venomoth doesn't come out if you've covered the other powerful threats, or hope that your opponent loses their connection.

Probably Aggron | Scyther Scarf | Av or Scarf Charizard | KlingKlang | Careful Braviary | Careful Golbat with Hidden Ability | Careful Dragonair at +2, it's a 2HKO. You can do something about it [+4 252 SpA Life Orb Venomoth Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dragonair: 140-165 (83.3 - 98.2%)] | there's also Munchlax | Av Escavalier could be an option as well.  
 
You have many good alternatives, but 90% are trash with the other strong monster in the tier. Just play HO or 6 walls. If you decide to go balanced, pray that Venomoth doesn't come out if you've covered the other powerful threats, or hope that your opponent loses their connection.

Venomoth was banned on July 29, 2018. At the time, the combination of Quiver Dance + Sleep Powder/Disable + Tinted Lens coverage move(s) made Venomoth nearly impossible to deal with. 
 
A lot has changed since 2018:
We now have team preview. We now have access to new pokemon in NU (Alakazam, Azumarill, Blaziken, Cloyster, Galvantula, Gigalith, Mantine, Quagsire, Scrafty, Slowbro, Typhlosion, Venusaur and Wobbuffet). We now have access to new items like Assault Vest and Eviolite. We now have access to new abilities like Vital Spirit, Imposter, Unaware, Infiltrator, etc.  
The Tier Council believes Venomoth remains a big threat, but hopes NU now has the required tools to handle this menace and the metagame can adapt to its presence. For this reason, the prior ban will be reversed, Venomoth will drop to NU and a suspect test period will be initiated as of June 30th, 2023. 
 
Throughout the suspect test period, please use this thread to share your thoughts regarding Venomoth in NU. Your input on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

I consider the proposed changes to be an aberration for the NU level. Let me explain, and for this, I will only give my opinion since writing calculations and objective matters will only make the message more likely to be ignored than the one I will write below.
 
1) Venomoth (I know this is a proof or idea) is a Pokémon that is too strong for the tier. It's already challenging enough dealing with a Venusaur, for which probably 99% of players will have to carry a Careful Golbat for control. On top of that, if you have a Pokémon with Psyshock you make it disappear.
 
2) With the presence of Azumarill and Scrafty in the tier (I'll repeat it), the tier has already reached a point where teams consisting of 6 walls have become the easiest to use. They easily cover this combination, allowing you to save yourself from thinking or playing with skill. How do I argue this point? Well, just look at the last 2 or 3 NU seasonals. Players who are not very experienced in the tier simply copy a team of 6 walls and win without any problem (1000 IQ).
 
3) I don't know what the TC are smoking with these changes (Gligar, Venusaur, mismagius, xatu, gigalith, clefable|tentacruel, and others). Frankly, it seems like they don't play the tier enough. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to bring a specific Pokémon for each battle, it means the level has stagnated. There's no room left to play with creativity. We have already seen that with the previous aberrations., several Pokémon like Houndoom, Sharpedo, Tangrowth, Rhydon, Miltank, Samurott, Golurk, Sableye, Slowking, Slowbro, Charizard, Torterra, etc., have become completely useless or extremely difficult to play in NU.
 
And I'm not spreading hatred towards the TC. What I'm essentially suggesting is that they shouldn't turn NU into the new OU or UU, where you see the same 6-12 Pokémon in every battle just because they are the easiest or most overpowered to use.
 
PD: The new changes just are inviting us to build 6 different walls for play ^^

I consider the proposed changes to be an aberration for the NU level. Let me explain, and for this, I will only give my opinion since writing calculations and objective matters will only make the message more likely to be ignored than the one I will write below.
 
1) Venomoth (I know this is a proof or idea) is a Pokémon that is too strong for the tier. It's already challenging enough dealing with a Venusaur, for which probably 99% of players will have to carry a Careful Golbat for control. On top of that, if you have a Pokémon with Psyshock you make it disappear.
 
2) With the presence of Azumarill and Scrafty in the tier (I'll repeat it), the tier has already reached a point where teams consisting of 6 walls have become the easiest to use. They easily cover this combination, allowing you to save yourself from thinking or playing with skill. How do I argue this point? Well, just look at the last 2 or 3 NU seasonals. Players who are not very experienced in the tier simply copy a team of 6 walls and win without any problem (1000 IQ).
 
3) I don't know what the TC are smoking with these changes (Gligar, Venusaur, mismagius, xatu, gigalith, clefable|tentacruel, and others). Frankly, it seems like they don't play the tier enough. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to bring a specific Pokémon for each battle, it means the level has stagnated. There's no room left to play with creativity. We have already seen that with the previous aberrations., several Pokémon like Houndoom, Sharpedo, Tangrowth, Rhydon, Miltank, Samurott, Golurk, Sableye, Slowking, Slowbro, Charizard, Torterra, etc., have become completely useless or extremely difficult to play in NU.
 
And I'm not spreading hatred towards the TC. What I'm essentially suggesting is that they shouldn't turn NU into the new OU or UU, where you see the same 6-12 Pokémon in every battle just because they are the easiest or most overpowered to use.
 
PD: The new changes just are inviting us to build 6 different walls for play ^^

I consider the proposed changes to be an aberration for the NU level. Let me explain, and for this, I will only give my opinion since writing calculations and objective matters will only make the message more likely to be ignored than the one I will write below.
 
1) Venomoth (I know this is a proof or idea) is a Pokémon that is too strong for the tier. It's already challenging enough dealing with a Venusaur, for which probably 99% of players will have to carry a Careful Golbat for control. On top of that, if you have a Pokémon with Psyshock you make it disappear.
 
2) With the presence of Azumarill and Scrafty in the tier (I'll repeat it), the tier has already reached a point where teams consisting of 6 walls have become the easiest to use. They easily cover this combination, allowing you to save yourself from thinking or playing with skill. How do I argue this point? Well, just look at the last 2 or 3 NU seasonals. Players who are not very experienced in the tier simply copy a team of 6 walls and win without any problem (1000 IQ).
 
3) I don't know what the TC are smoking with these changes (Gligar, Venusaur, mismagius, xatu, gigalith, clefable|tentacruel, and others). Frankly, it seems like they don't play the tier enough. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to bring a specific Pokémon for each battle, it means the level has stagnated. There's no room left to play with creativity. We have already seen that with the previous aberrations., several Pokémon like Houndoom, Sharpedo, Tangrowth, Rhydon, Miltank, Samurott, Golurk, Sableye, Slowking, Slowbro, Charizard, Torterra, etc., have become completely useless or extremely difficult to play in NU.
 
And I'm not spreading hatred towards the TC. What I'm essentially suggesting is that they shouldn't turn NU into the new OU or UU, where you see the same 6-12 Pokémon in every battle just because they are the easiest or most overpowered to use.
 
PD: The new changes just are inviting us to build 6 different walls for play ^^

I consider the proposed changes to be an aberration for the NU level. Let me explain, and for this, I will only give my opinion since writing calculations and objective matters will only make the message more likely to be ignored than the one I will write below.
 
1) Venomoth (I know this is a proof or idea) is a Pokémon that is too strong for the tier. It's already challenging enough dealing with a Venusaur, for which probably 99% of players will have to carry a Careful Golbat for control. On top of that, if you have a Pokémon with Psyshock you make it disappear.
 
2) With the presence of Azumarill and Scrafty in the tier (I'll repeat it), the tier has already reached a point where teams consisting of 6 walls have become the easiest to use. They easily cover this combination, allowing you to save yourself from thinking or playing with skill. How do I argue this point? Well, just look at the last 2 or 3 NU seasonals. Players who are not very experienced in the tier simply copy a team of 6 walls and win without any problem (1000 IQ).
 
3) I don't know what the TC are smoking with these changes (Gligar, Venusaur, mismagius, xatu, gigalith, clefable|tentacruel, and others). Frankly, it seems like they don't play the tier enough. When you find yourself in a situation where you have to bring a specific Pokémon for each battle, it means the level has stagnated. There's no room left to play with creativity. We have already seen that with the previous aberrations., several Pokémon like Houndoom, Sharpedo, Tangrowth, Rhydon, Miltank, Samurott, Golurk, Sableye, Slowking, Slowbro, Charizard, Torterra, etc., have become completely useless or extremely difficult to play in NU.
 
And I'm not spreading hatred towards the TC. What I'm essentially suggesting is that they shouldn't turn NU into the new OU or UU, where you see the same 6-12 Pokémon in every battle just because they are the easiest or most overpowered to use.
 
PD: The new changes just are inviting us to build 6 different walls for play ^^

I'm still a beginner, but I believe that the main problem currently in the NU tier is not Vaporeon actually. The main problem currently are Pokemon like Scrafty and Azumarill, as they become limiting factors when building PvP teams. Let me explain, for example, with Azumarill + Scrafty in the tier, you ALWAYS have to bring a Pokemon with Haze or a predetermined style of walls to stop them, making it difficult to build based on innovation. Pokemon such as Samurott, Sharpedo, Miltank, Slowbro, Slowking, Alomomola, among many others, lose their usefulness because this pair of Pokemon is much stronger and more usable in the tier.
In my humble opinion, I believe that most players do not build their teams based on the danger that Vaporeon may cause, but rather based on making sure that Azumarill or Scrafty do not become a problem. I've seen very well-balanced teams that can't do anything against either of these two Pokemon, which makes gameplay somewhat boring because you are forced to stop using very good alternatives such as Tangrowth, Rhydon, Cryogonal, Musharna, Claydol, Frillish, Throh, Lumineon, and many other good alternatives that cannot control this pair that can sweep your entire team with just one boost if you don't bring Haze or the typical style of walls.