Mkns1070 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Stokes said: when Stoutland and hitmonchan NU? i saw they all NU teams It change nothing between NU and Untiered Link to comment
Umbramol Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, gbwead said: What's wrong with Zoroark? Has similar power to rose, tougher to rk, gets nasty plot. Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Umbramol said: Has similar power to rose, tougher to rk, gets nasty plot. What set is so scary? Hitmonchan on top of my mind looks like an ez rk. Link to comment
RLotus Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Umbramol said: 1. Encore was banned for a good period of the month and i think wobbu should stay to OU because of it. agree, doesn’t make since to drop down wob gbwead, Umbramol and TohnR 3 Link to comment
Umbramol Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, gbwead said: What set is so scary? Hitmonchan on top of my mind looks like an ez rk. Well yes but apart from it what else? Even an extrasensory instead of flame for example in a nasty plot set can punish hitmonchan coming in and being forced to mach punch makes zoro an ez hit and run wallbreaker.. at least i see it this way.. correct me if im wrong Edited February 23, 2020 by Umbramol Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Umbramol said: Well yes but apart from it what else? Even a extrasensory instead of flame for example in a nasty plot set can punish hitmonchan coming in and being force to mach punch makes zoro an ex hit and run wallbreaker.. at least i see it this way.. correct me if im wrong Does it run HP Elec or something? I just don't see how it get passed Mantine or Flareon. Edited February 23, 2020 by gbwead Link to comment
Umbramol Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, gbwead said: Does it run HP Elec or something? I just don't see how it get passed Mantine. +2 dark pulse 2hkos mantine and mantine is forced to haze.. if you add possible rocks into the calcs mantine really struggles to stop zoroark. +2 252 SpA Life Orb Zoroark Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Mantine: 97-114 (56.7 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery +2 252 SpA Life Orb Zoroark Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Flareon: 114-136 (66.2 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Edited February 23, 2020 by Umbramol Link to comment
TohnR Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just ban Extrasensory from NU, no more problems Kappa Caliginosus and pachima 2 Link to comment
VHisc Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Please let gigalith roll back to UU Zenenn and Tawla 2 Link to comment
soyhector Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I support the idea that Zoroak would be a problem on NU. I dont see good wall options to stop it, and it has a really good wallbreaker movepool. I think it would force players to play more ofensive teambuildings than they usually do, and duels would depend a lot on luck (fear of Dark Pulse flinches). TohnR, gbwead, hannahtaylor and 5 others 8 Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) @Munya I vote for everything to drop except Wobbuffet and Haxorus. Edited February 26, 2020 by gbwead Link to comment
Umbramol Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Yes lets drop 20 new mons into a tier.. totally gonna result in a healthy one.. and the next month of usage is totally gonna be an accurate representation of a stable meta. Kanzo, pachima and Zymogen 3 Link to comment
Mkns1070 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Umbramol said: Yes lets drop 20 new mons into a tier.. totally gonna result in a healthy one.. and the next month of usage is totally gonna be an accurate representation of a stable meta. any suggest ? Link to comment
Umbramol Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, MknsZblex said: any suggest ? I already made my suggestion in the first page.. let the tiers stabilize then decide on bl mons, at least me as a player having so little tours and game time to use new stuff i cant make a good assumption on so much stuff just by theorising.. i need some time to see what happens, lets decide on BL mons after a certain period.. im also skeptical about zoro in NU but this tier is not the one i know well so if NU playes dont care i wont fight more for my case. pachima 1 Link to comment
hannahtaylor Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Umbramol said: I already made my suggestion in the first page.. let the tiers stabilize then decide on bl mons, at least me as a player having so little tours and game time to use new stuff i cant make a good assumption on so much stuff just by theorising.. i need some time to see what happens, lets decide on BL mons after a certain period.. im also skeptical about zoro in NU but this tier is not the one i know well so if NU playes dont care i wont fight more for my case. I do agree that I'm not sure on Zoroark in NU. Zoro can hit hard and there's not many, if any, pokemon that can successfully counter it. Link to comment
pachima Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I agree with Umbra. If we just drop everything at once: a) Tier will take too much to adapt b) It is not possible to pinpoint the source of eventual issues in UU because some of the dropped stuff interfere each other way too much. c) a) and b) means we would have to wait too long to get a playable UU. Anyway, what I suggest: Drop everything, but BL mons. But please discuss Zoroark and Staraptor. Note: I would say galvantula can become a problem, but I realized it is pressured between a type of hidden power. Zymogen, Kanzo, Umbramol and 2 others 5 Link to comment
mago1993 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) -1 252 Atk Choice Band Staraptor Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 68-80 (35.4 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 1 poke in all tier can check staraptor in UU Spoiler -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Staraptor Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 74-88 (38.5 - 45.8%) -- 16.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock lmao Edited February 27, 2020 by mago1993 Link to comment
Navetas Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I think you can ban clampler , cranidos, mienfo and maybe diglet and then LC will be playable again. GL in that mission guys Link to comment
pachima Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Navetas said: I think you can ban clampler , cranidos, mienfo and maybe diglet and then LC will be playable again. GL in that mission guys I am sorry, but even if we got rampardos in LC it would be irrelevant compared to the sheer powerspike UU would get if everything dropped. Link to comment
Tawla Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 dont drop zoroark to NU, and ban roserade. Zymogen 1 Link to comment
drdray Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Tawla said: dont drop zoroark to NU, and ban roserade. thanks for the thorough reasoning, quality post suigin, kloneman, hannahtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Laz Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Doesn't need reasoning tbh, even mantine can lose to rose after rocks / poison / hidden power, also seeing zoroark's atk+sp.atk+speed+huge movepool+its ability, no one sane would suggest allowing it to drop to nu even if it's by usage. Luke, VHisc, Tawla and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Tawla Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just give me one pokemon who could wall zoroark in NU ? Link to comment
pachima Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 7 hours ago, drdray said: thanks for the thorough reasoning, quality post well, its not like they give us any reasoning for not banning them either soo... TohnR and Zymogen 2 Link to comment
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