Vaeldras Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 You can't compare the meta a couple of months ago without dragons to a phys/special split meta without Dragons lol. I shouldn't have to explain to you why they'd be completely different And Hoenn starters + other stuff Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Listen, I'm all for the split. I want to use kingdra and sxizir. I want the gyardos set. But I don't want 5 pokes banned over it. Link to comment
Robofiend Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Really do you not remember 3 months ago? Did you play ou? It was wall and stall. Dragons add offensive threat along with ttar. Without all of them what do we have left? Yes we get the new moves which will be exciting. But is it worth the risk of losing 4-5 pokes again? It probably is, the split makes walls like Blissey sitting ducks, and if we really do get Tyranitar back it won't be hard to take advantage of anyone crazy enough to throw their BlissVap stall in front of a rampaging dino like Ttar. Additionally Gyarados, Dragonite and Metagross get huge bonuses (elepunch, STAB Waterfall, etc) that these kinds of walls can't really deal with. Even if we did lose pokes, lesser used OU pokemon like Arcanine, Scizor and Dusclops all stand to benefit from Physical Dark and Fire type attacks. The only risk I see so far is that every team will have CB Drago/Sal which requires that we have more steel types than are currently available. DragMag could be a real game wrecker if we don't find good ways to stop it. Even if we lose some pokes the benefits could be really big - it's not like OU is currently perfect seeing as the whole game revolves around stopping Salamence and Dragonite from killing everything, Wish stalling and using Snorlax to stop special attackers. Losing some of the gods could easily make for a more interesting game. Edited January 4, 2015 by Robofiend Link to comment
themanone Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 It probably is, the split makes walls like Blissey sitting ducks, and if we really do get Tyranitar back it won't be hard to take advantage of anyone crazy enough to throw their BlissVap stall in front of a rampaging dino like Ttar. Additionally Gyarados, Dragonite and Metagross get huge bonuses (elepunch, STAB Waterfall, etc) that these kinds of walls can't really deal with. Even if we did lose pokes, lesser used OU pokemon like Arcanine, Scizor and Dusclops all stand to benefit from Physical Dark and Fire type attacks. The only risk I see so far is that every team will have CB Drago/Sal which requires that we have more steel types than are currently available. DragMag could be a real game wrecker if we don't find good ways to stop it. Even if we lose some pokes the benefits could be really big - it's not like OU is currently perfect seeing as the whole game revolves around stopping Salamence and Dragonite from killing everything, Wish stalling and using Snorlax to stop special attackers. Losing some of the gods could easily make for a more interesting game. I believe salamence got quick banned. Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 It probably is, the split makes walls like Blissey sitting ducks, and if we really do get Tyranitar back it won't be hard to take advantage of anyone crazy enough to throw their BlissVap stall in front of a rampaging dino like Ttar. Additionally Gyarados, Dragonite and Metagross get huge bonuses (elepunch, STAB Waterfall, etc) that these kinds of walls can't really deal with. Even if we did lose pokes, lesser used OU pokemon like Arcanine, Scizor and Dusclops all stand to benefit from Physical Dark and Fire type attacks. The only risk I see so far is that every team will have CB Drago/Sal which requires that we have more steel types than are currently available. DragMag could be a real game wrecker if we don't find good ways to stop it. Even if we lose some pokes the benefits could be really big - it's not like OU is currently perfect seeing as the whole game revolves around stopping Salamence and Dragonite from killing everything, Wish stalling and using Snorlax to stop special attackers. Losing some of the gods could easily make for a more interesting game. I agree with all of that. Like I said I'm for it if we get all the moves and abilities. I'm confused on why you said clops tho? But I agree I want pursuit scixir and kingdra waterfall. I get all of that. I just don't think it should be rushed. And I don't think it should push hoenn back. Because this should take a couple of months to work out. Link to comment
Robofiend Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I agree with all of that. Like I said I'm for it if we get all the moves and abilities. I'm confused on why you said clops tho? But I agree I want pursuit scixir and kingdra waterfall. I get all of that. I just don't think it should be rushed. And I don't think it should push hoenn back. Because this should take a couple of months to work out. Clops can learn pursuit and rekt things like Starmie (which is better than watching it run from SB or something). Fair enough that you want it done slowly, which is the exact idea of testing things on Showdown first. Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Clops can learn pursuit and rekt things like Starmie (which is better than watching it run from SB or something). Fair enough that you want it done slowly, which is the exact idea of testing things on Showdown first. Can't believe I forgot clops can learn that lol. But yea I would just like it covered in every aspect so there's no suprose to everyone. I also dint think it should be pushing hoenn back or atleast give us breeding back. Because 3-4 months of just sitting around testing is not something that should be happening. A lot of people will be leaving. Link to comment
Darkshade Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 https://forums.pokemmo.eu/index.php?/topic/49491-update-1/#entry967957 Have updated the OP with the following; Various debug commands have been made available for users to help further test the meta game. These commands include: /debuggivemoney <amount> - For giving yourself a maximum of 10,000,000 in cash. (This can be used to purchase vitamins) /debugsetability - For changing a Pokemons ability/debugsetlevel <party_slot_id> <value> - (PARTY SLOT ID STARTS AT 0). For setting the level of a Pokemon (doesn't support deleveling)/debugsetnature - For setting the nature of a Pokemon/debugsetskill - For setting any move a Pokemon is able to learn /debugsetivs <party_slot_id> <hp> <attack> <defense> <speed> <special_attack> <special_defense> - For adjusting the IVs on a Pokemon. These commands are to be typed into the chatbox, and submitted by pressing enter. Some may require relogging to take effect. Link to comment
magorax Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So much for taking things slow, or the split being hard / long to implement.... Link to comment
IndigoGlacier Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So much for taking things slow, or the split being hard / long to implement.... Goodbye hp flying kingler....sigh... Link to comment
KingBowser Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Now Im poor :( fredrichnietze and Robofiend 2 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So split is coming? Well wipe wouldn't be much of a diffrence Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So split is coming? Well wipe wouldn't be much of a diffrence Big diff. Half my comps are very much useable still. But i missed something can i test in the pts now? Link to comment
flavajabari Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Big diff. Half my comps are very much useable still. But i missed something can i test in the pts now? probably around 75% here is still fine, others i can invest in breeding a different nature/moves one. just shitty i was breeding modest sharpedos instead of adamant. and yes you can test in PTS Edited January 4, 2015 by flavajabari Link to comment
Gunthug Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Fuck yeaaaaah Robofiend 1 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 i like dat u make these discussion threads and people begin to test it but your just like, fuck it im in charge Darkshade 1 Link to comment
MasterExquisite Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) so the change is 100% now with the update? and no gen 4 moves or pokes? Edited January 4, 2015 by MasterExquisite Link to comment
Robofiend Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 WHAT DO WE WANT? HEATRAN & LUCARIO!! WHEN DO WE WANT IT!! NOW!! WHEN HOENN UPDATE COMES!!! OK 2 YEARS FROM NOW IS FINE I GUESS Kanzo, Vaeldras and G0dPower 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Pretty cool how fast its all going. Im looking forward to good stuffs. Edit: give us heatrannnnnnnn Edited January 4, 2015 by DoubleJJ Link to comment
Senile Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 WHAT DO WE WANT? HEATRAN & LUCARIO!! WHEN DO WE WANT IT!! NOW!! WHEN HOENN UPDATE COMES!!! OK 2 YEARS FROM NOW IS FINE I GUESS Luke is poop, praise be to Rotom-w. Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Smh, let's take things slow and get the communities feedback first....oh no wait to bad your opinion doesn't matter. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Change is inevitable. Its an alpha game that is designed by a small group with a vision. They got this. We just sit back, enjoy, and help with refinement. Link to comment
flavajabari Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 i think in the long run this is the best option for sure, and it had to happen sooner or later, so why not sooner Link to comment
IndigoGlacier Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 so gen4 moves are in this as well? or.... Link to comment
Excelimpulse Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'll support this move if we get gen 4 moves, butttt I'm not holding my breathe. And I'm pretty sure this game will always be alpha. Maybe in 2020 they move it to beta. Gunthug 1 Link to comment
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