Murcielago Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I fail to see the problem with chansey. Anything that sets up (swords dance, Dragon Dance, Calm Mind) will force chansey out and even so possibly sweep Venasuar if it seeds chansey chansey is pretty much done and needs to switch Anything with fighting moves will OHKO chansey Steel types immune to poisen (lots of ppl complaining about toxic usage) - Steel types are common Any Choicebander will force a switch Dugtrio will wreck it Duclops... Chansey can't even touch it aside from Twave/toxic I understand that chansey walls special sweepers... but how many special sweepers do you need on your team? It seems like everytime I come back to Pokemmo you guys want to ban something else... just let the meta evolve, chansey isn't some over powering force... its a special wall that gets chopped up by lots of pokes... The cleric abilities are nice, but other pokes can do the same thing... Edited November 30, 2015 by Murcielago Link to comment
Rendom Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The problem at killing chansey with choice banders is that it can protect to scout the move and then switch to something that resists the banded move. Pokemon that try to set up on it can be eliminated by proper team building I think, so it's not as easy to kill as you think Arimanius 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The problem at killing chansey with choice banders is that it can protect to scout the move and then switch to something that resists the banded move. Pokemon that try to set up on it can be eliminated by proper team building I think, so it's not as easy to kill as you think Problem is, it can be risky when scouting Cbers that can also setup such as Heracross/Blaziken(there are more). Arimanius 1 Link to comment
zteban Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 first chance you run, if its bander, next time you use protect. and its checked Link to comment
OldKeith Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The problem at killing chansey with choice banders is that it can protect to scout the move and then switch to something that resists the banded move. Pokemon that try to set up on it can be eliminated by proper team building I think, so it's not as easy to kill as you think So how hard is it to predict that switch and switch yourself as well? Link to comment
Rendom Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So how hard is it to predict that switch and switch yourself as well? I guess it's risky if you don't know what he's going to switch to Link to comment
Rendiz Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I guess it's risky if you don't know what he's going to switch to Not really. Most likely they will swap to a wall and for the most part they can't punish you very hard if you make a bad swap. Even so that swap can be just as risky for them as it is for you. Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I fail to see the problem with chansey. Anything that sets up (swords dance, Dragon Dance, Calm Mind) will force chansey out and even so possibly sweep Venasuar if it seeds chansey chansey is pretty much done and needs to switch Anything with fighting moves will OHKO chansey Steel types immune to poisen (lots of ppl complaining about toxic usage) - Steel types are common Any Choicebander will force a switch Dugtrio will wreck it Duclops... Chansey can't even touch it aside from Twave/toxic I understand that chansey walls special sweepers... but how many special sweepers do you need on your team? It seems like everytime I come back to Pokemmo you guys want to ban something else... just let the meta evolve, chansey isn't some over powering force... its a special wall that gets chopped up by lots of pokes... The cleric abilities are nice, but other pokes can do the same thing... the problem is that all the counters are pshysical attackers (except the leech seed ones)... with a chansey alive in the other team, you cant bring your special sweeper because chansey gonna totally wall it... thats why many people are talking about its just better get another choice bander or something else... that would reduce the variety in the meta, and that would be boring... so chansey is not OP, its just boring or unhealthy... thats the discussion Link to comment
Rendom Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Not really. Most likely they will swap to a wall and for the most part they can't punish you very hard if you make a bad swap. Even so that swap can be just as risky for them as it is for you. True, but on the other hand if you mispredict the Chansey switch out and send in for example a Magneton because you thought he was going to switch to Skarmory for example you are in a bad position against the +2 SD user Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 There isn't an appropriate location for me to put this, but I wanted to make note of it somewhere for the community to see: I have stepped down from the tier council for personal reasons. Hopefully the council can move forward seamlessly in light of this. KaynineXL, Arimanius, Tritios and 9 others 12 Link to comment
Robofiend Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 This thread needed a bump anyway [spoiler] rip JJ it was fun [/spoiler] I'd like to hear what people think about Chansey - it's still really common but I'm wondering what people from the community think of this Link to comment
RysPicz Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 This thread needed a bump anyway [spoiler] rip JJ it was fun [/spoiler] I'd like to hear what people think about Chansey - it's still really common but I'm wondering what people from the community think of thisSrs? You got 8 pages of discussion which is basically community saying it's cancer and Zeb defending it with gimmick arguments. Most of us voiced the opinion in this thread already, I don't feel like repeating myself over and over again. zteban, DoubleJ, DrCraig and 5 others 8 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Yeh lets give 4F a tier full of swords dance Endure and CBders and lets not forget all the trappers because Chansey is cancer yeh i am so logic buy my new album SoloYoloSetuP.I think you are missing my point. If you think I want a tier like that then go into archive and look who made wals of text against Alakazam, Charizard, Rhydon and prob more but these 3 are the most recent ones that I do remember. Think before making a post like thst kid. I am always looking at poke from subjective point agreed, but the main priority for me is balanced and healthy metagame for everyone. If a certain pokemon like Chansey stops all of OUs special attackers, offers unrivalled support with wish, aroma and status-absorbing then for me it id a no go. Oh and we saw how trappers do against Chansey during a certain PSL match where it killed a subrev dug with hyper voice. Usage does not lie, it is now either in higher usage than even Metagross or comes close to it. if 8 pages of discussion is not enough for you Robo, I will make another wall of text for this cancerous pink blob once I come home from work. Link to comment
Linken Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Checklist: walls every special attacker - check unrivaled wish support - check unrivaled aroma support - check status-absorbing - check working around trappers - check [spoiler]but does it djent?[/spoiler] Link to comment
codylramey Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) 252+ Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 384-453 (54.5 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery This is adamant dugtrio. Sub reversal imo is too gimmicky, if i want to take out a spcl wall with dug i would prefer to use adamant with cband. With spcl def invest it can even survive a icebeam from pory and 2hko it in most cases. 252+ Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Porygon2: 193-228 (51.6 - 60.9%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery The only spcl wall it really struggles with is umbreon which idt can stall dug out if it has pp max EQ (idk tho bc ive never tried). So yea imo if someone loss a dugtrio to a hyper voice chansey he was doing it wrong. Adamant dugtrio can come in on any of chanseys attacks and kill if built right. Not saying that that makes chansey not bann worthy im just saying that the "it cant be trapped" argument is wrong. Edited December 2, 2015 by codylramey Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) 252+ Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chansey: 384-453 (54.5 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery This is adamant dugtrio. Sub reversal imo is too gimmicky, if i want to take out a spcl wall with dug i would prefer to use adamant with cband. With spcl def invest it can even survive a icebeam from pory and 2hko it in most cases. 252+ Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Porygon2: 193-228 (51.6 - 60.9%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery The only spcl wall it really struggles with is umbreon which idt can stall dug out if it has pp max EQ (idk tho bc ive never tried). So yea imo if someone loss a dugtrio to a hyper voice chansey he was doing it wrong. Adamant dugtrio can come in on any of chanseys attacks and kill if built right. Not saying that that makes chansey not bann worthy im just saying that the "it cant be trapped" argument is wrong. You're taking the Protect turn out of the equation. Dugtrio EQs, Chansey uses Wish *Chansey gets Leftovers recovery* Chansey Protects *Chansey gets Wish and Leftovers recovery*. The HP Chansey is getting from these two turns is 62,5% which means only with two high rolls in a row does Adamant CB Dugtrio actually 2HKO a Chansey. Yes, the Dugtrio exactly doesn't really have problems switching in so it can trap a low HP Chansey kinda but whenever Chansey is below the 50% health it's going to Wish and Protect itself to full HP. EQ and Wish have equal amount of PP which means unless Dugtrio gets 2 high rolls in a row on Chansey with average luck may stall out the PP of CB Dugtrio's Earthquakes and EQless Dugtrio is as good as dead. Edited December 2, 2015 by OrangeManiac Arimanius, gbwead and RysPicz 3 Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Frankly i don't think it would make that much more of a difference. Max spdef umbreon takes sp hits just as well as bold chansey and porygon can eat almost any sp hit without giving any fuck whatsoever. Ph sweepers would still be vastly superior due to the lack of nasty plot and choice specs gbwead 1 Link to comment
bl0nde Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b2lMHHCPQdhyhHw-HXbGikwMGQTaklkArsYrfDYwnRk/edit?pli=1#gid=0&vpid=A1]usgae table[/url] RysPicz, Arimanius and Vaeldras 3 Link to comment
Laz Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Chansey kills the predictions and kills the plays, I'm not asking for it to be banned because it is unstoppable / hard to deal with, but because it is boring. Edited December 5, 2015 by Lazaro23 Link to comment
Frag Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sincerely i don't see what's the problem here, it has almost the same porygon usage, no offensive presence and it get reckt by arena trap which in first place shouldn't exist in the meta. Noad, OldKeith, lebulas and 5 others 8 Link to comment
zteban Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 usgae table september? thats was when chansey wasnt popular yet. in october reach 43,55%. anyways, if the staff provide a more recent usage would be appreciate Laz, LuisPocho, RysPicz and 2 others 5 Link to comment
codylramey Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 september? thats was when chansey wasnt popular yet. in october reach 43,55%. anyways, if the staff provide a more recent usage would be appreciate 43% isnt even bad yet. I remeber discussing another fat blob who saw a 80% rate. And it took forever to ban his ass. Link to comment
Vaeldras Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 43% isnt even bad yet bruh but what would banning chansey resolve? Link to comment
codylramey Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 bruh but what would banning chansey resolve? Oh idk, im not really too involved in the meta atm. Thats why i dont participate in these discussions very often. I just see ppl saying "43%" like thats a lot, it really isnt... yet. Link to comment
londark Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Oh idk, im not really too involved in the meta atm. Thats why i dont participate in these discussions very often. I just see ppl saying "43%" like thats a lot, it really isnt... yet. Last usage stats put chansey at ~33%, not 43 Link to comment
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