DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, gbwead said: I understand that. However, a trade package goes both ways since we need to take into consideration the perspective of each party. When a manager offers the equivalent of a 6k player for a 8k player, this respects the 25% margin for the manager with 8k player since 0.75 x 8k = 6k. This is good. When a manager offers a 8k player for the equivalent of a 6k player, this does not respects the 25% margin for the manager with the equivalent of a 6k player since 1.25 x 6k = 7.5k. This implies that the manager offering the 8k player is overpaying because 8k is more than 7.5k which is the margin. The higher cost package takes priority. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) First off, gb you're overthinking this way too much. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be PSL. The stakes aren't really that high (glory, video game currency), so there's no need to obsess over the details and freak out if everything isn't perfectly symmetrically balanced. Segwaying nicely into my next topic: the first two rounds. I think the only problem with this idea is that the entire auction isn't being converted into a draft. @OrangeManiac I think is overvaluing the #1 overall pick - in fact, if I was a manager, I would DEFINITELY not want the #1 pick. The skill gap between the #1 player and, say, the #5 or #6 player in PSL isn't really that high, and grabbing something like the 4th and 12th best player instead of 1 and 16 is going to land you a much better core for your team, IMO. Plus, it's PSL. Anyone can win any week. How often over the last few seasons have guys who went for below 10k credits turned out to be the MVPs of their team? And similarly, incredible players like frags and bowser are perfectly capable of having a down season. Drafts are conducive to strategic teambuilding, too, just in a completely different way than an auction. The benefit is that there's less room for collusion - 3 teams can't conspire to waste a manager's credits by upbidding players they know he wants in a draft - they can do this in an auction with very little risk, whereas if they wanted to "snatch" those players in a draft they'd be stuck with them on their team, and every single draft pick is extremely valuable. But while I lament that we're not going full draft (mostly because of how much easier it'd be than an auction) I do think 2 rounds of a draft will help ensure that each team gets a player or two to really build their team around. Then we go back to your guys precious headache auction Edited January 5, 2017 by Gunthug Draekyn, Suneet, OrangeManiac and 6 others 9 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 @Gunthug so yes or no on new system? I'm totally open to going back to the fulfull auction. Also, wanna sit on the small council? Link to comment
Gunthug Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, DoubleJ said: @Gunthug so yes or no on new system? I'm totally open to going back to the fulfull auction. Also, wanna sit on the small council? yes on the new system for sure. and yeah sure why not Arimanius, DoubleJ and KaynineXL 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Gunthug said: yes on the new system for sure. and yeah sure why not Cool. @OrangeManiac is in too. So we'll just reprise your previous roles from last season. Just need you guys to be available and vote on the tricky things, assess trades, and pick managers with me. Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 You'd think lord gb is actually gonna sign up this time lmao. He seems to criticize the rules more than the players , like an angry dad at his sons football game Link to comment
gbwead Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, Gunthug said: First off, gb you're overthinking this way too much. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be PSL. The stakes aren't really that high (glory, video game currency), so there's no need to obsess over the details and freak out if everything isn't perfectly symmetrically balanced. I gave up on every thing I mentionned except the margin that simply does not make any sense to me. If the higher cost package does take priority, why are we talking about a -25% and +25% margin. A +25% margin is impossible when the higher cost package takes priority. Guerinf 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Torinnnnn said: You'd think lord gb is actually gonna sign up this time lmao. He seems to criticize the rules more than the players , like an angry dad at his sons football game I picture him more as the emo kid in HS who is like 6'5 but hates all the sporting events and thinks they're shit because anarchy or something. Draekyn, Kanzo and Suneet 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kanzo said: lel i never read rules anyway. U a savage. Long live the Road Saiyans. Edited January 5, 2017 by DoubleJ ShadowGary and Kanzo 2 Link to comment
Inarin Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Wait, there are rules? Since when? DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Tranzmaster Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The playoff system is much better! (now don't fuck up with the tiers. meaning no LC, no VGC and no fucking ADV unless you want me to meme every week.) Mike, Suneet, KaynineXL and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Suneet Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 How will the drafted players values be decided, in the case of a trade? Because of course, you can't exactly determine their value without having that clash with someone else's opinion. notmudkip0, Kimikozen, gbwead and 2 others 5 Link to comment
xXBlu3BreathXx Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Tranzmaster said: no VGC This is why you're bad. Inarin and RysPicz 2 Link to comment
Tranzmaster Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, xXBlu3BreathXx said: This is why you're bad. You should thank me for not wanting VGC, judging from your VGC matches i've seen on showdown i'm protecting you from going 0-7. Also I'm the VGC king, undefeated from intermission brawl tl;dr BadBreath git gud Link to comment
xXBlu3BreathXx Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Tranzmaster said: You should thank me for not wanting VGC, judging from your VGC matches i've seen on showdown i'm protecting you from going 0-7. Also I'm the VGC king, undefeated from intermission brawl tl;dr BadBreath git gud I wonder how you got your team :^) anyway it was outdated because it was a team before worlds and it had a nasty matchup against the winning team. RysPicz 1 Link to comment
Laz Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 y'all bad, @DarylDixon the vgc mastah Gazelli and RysPicz 2 Link to comment
DarylDixon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 fuck vgc lf ou 7 gen DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Arimanius Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, DoubleJ said: Activity calls are decided upon by the host, with input from the small council. And trust me, they have a great influence on me as they did last season. Activity calls are only decided upon should both players be unable to complete their match and no substitutions are offered. An activity call can be a no contest, meaning both players are at fault, or an activity win, meaning one player was clearly at fault. The player at fault will be suspended for one week similarly to last season. I know who to blame too now >_> uguus!! Edited January 5, 2017 by Arimanius gbwead, ShadowGary, DoubleJ and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, Arimanius said: I know who to blame too now >_> uguus!! Lol dw I had nothing to do with that one. I'm sure you remember my ridiculously flexible extension policy 3 hours ago, Suneet said: How will the drafted players values be decided, in the case of a trade? Because of course, you can't exactly determine their value without having that clash with someone else's opinion. My suggestion would be to make drafted players untradeable Suneet, DoubleJ and Arimanius 3 Link to comment
gbwead Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Even though I am completly against this two first rounds draft format, if it does happpen, I strongly suggest giving more than 2 minutes for managers to choose their players; when a manager chooses a player in these first two rounds, this will be a higher-stakes decision than doing so in the following rounds. KaynineXL 1 Link to comment
Rendiz Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, gbwead said: Even though I am completly against this two first rounds draft format, if it does happpen, I strongly suggest giving more than 2 minutes for managers to choose their players; when a manager chooses a player in these first two rounds, this will be a higher-stakes decision than doing so in the following rounds. The way I see it is that most managers would already have a pretty good idea who they do and don't want before going into it. And they should most likely have back up plans or maybe even a ranking list of who they want most - least to help them decide beforehand. If they don't put in any thought in before the draft they shouldn't even be signing up as a manager in the first place. xXBlu3BreathXx, Draekyn, ShadowGary and 4 others 7 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Yea, drafted players would be untradeable. Coge and Rendiz 2 Link to comment
DoctorPBC Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 5 hours ago, DoubleJ said: Yea, drafted players would be untradeable. Need to give a couple more minutes per decision DoubleJ and gbwead 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 25 minutes ago, DoctorPBC said: Need to give a couple more minutes per decision As stated before, managers should have a sound idea of whom to pick up beforehand but I'm not too going to limit the first two rounds by time. It's a friendly draft, but don't waste our time if you get what I mean. gbwead and KaynineXL 2 Link to comment
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