sakuramyu Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Manectric @ Choice Scarf Ability: Lightning Rod EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Flamethrower - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Ice] - Volt Switch This thing hella strong amanisnoone 1 Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 No bulk and is easy to wall, so it's not really used much. You're welcome to try using it if you really think it's "hella strong" Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said: No bulk and is easy to wall, so it's not really used much. You're welcome to try using it if you really think it's "hella strong" sense when are lightening types with alot of sp-att and speed bulky i mean jolteon for one isn't very bulky amanisnoone 1 Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, sakuramyu said: sense when are lightening types with alot of sp-att and speed bulky i mean jolteon for one isn't very bulky That's kinda why they're not in OU, along with the fact that they generally have poor coverage. Link to comment
razimove Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 easy to wall, no bulk, jolteon exists, and overall went from okish to meh. 3 minutes ago, sakuramyu said: sense when are lightening types with alot of sp-att and speed bulky i mean jolteon for one isn't very bulky Please, compare stats of one to another, jolteon as a way above average speed compared to manectric, as access to a lot of support moves, and is great offensively. Link to comment
DeadGorilla Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 theres literally no reason to run it over mag or jolt Link to comment
Rache Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Manectric faces a lot of competition from Jolteon as a fast, hard-hitting electric type. Jolteon outpaces all of OU and UU (speed tying with Aerodactyl and Crobat) without needing to run Choice Scarf. Jolteon also hits a little bit harder by default, and since Choice Scarf is redundant on it, it often runs Choice Specs or Life Orb for even more power. Manectric has a niche in doubles as Lightningrod redirects electric type moves to protect its teammates. In singles though, all it has over Jolteon is access to Flamethrower, which is arguably not worth the worse stats. gbwead 1 Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, redspawn said: easy to wall, no bulk, jolteon exists, and overall went from okish to meh. Please, compare stats of one to another, jolteon as a way above average speed compared to manectric, as access to a lot of support moves, and is great offensively. Ya Magnetic gets flamethrower ton other fire moves ya jolteon out speed it by 61 points. manectic has max speed of 331 but Jolteon does "Not" great move pool its is very "mono" you have 2-3 moves that are electic on that thigh Manectic has lightening rod watch is better then volt asborb Manectric @ Choice Scarf Ability: Lightning Rod EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Flamethrower - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Ice] - Volt Switch Cons Manatic - Max Speed is 331 watch is slower then Jolteon by 61 points Manatic - Has more Abilities/Type Coverage then Jolteon Manatic - Has Lightening Rod - watch is 10 times as powerful then volt asborb Manatic - Has a base power 301 if lightening rod procs its over 450+ even beats jolteon in power dont get me started on choice specs manetic Manatic - still has great speed out speed most pokeon in OU specially when scarfed Jolteon- Great Stats - Has Moves like Shadowball/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Ice *(doesn't cover as much as Manatic does) problem here is shadow ball is only super-effective against 2 types what seriously you gonna wish on a jolteon it will die on first hit it takes even thou does have supportive moves whos gonna use them on pokemon can not take more then one hit come on has more base power most likely will use choice specs. but that means nothing if your player switches into a ground type. thunderbolt immune volt tackle immune whats shadow ball gonna do natural damage. have to use hidden power ice it wont kill at least with manatic you can handle steel types who think they can wall you Ferrothorn will get reckt this is a huge threat in OU. their alot pokemon in OU don't want take a flamethrower from a manatic - watch are community used. -> Ferrothron -> Scissor -> Metagross -> Lucario -> Bishap -> Exadrill -> Magnetzone -> Forretress -> Venusaur -> Breloom -> Jynx Edited February 16, 2018 by sakuramyu amanisnoone 1 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 understandable have a nice day FunkPk, notmudkip0, PepperPoots and 12 others 15 Link to comment
Jaawax Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Don't forget jolt can be used as a support, wish and heal bell Link to comment
sakuramyu Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jaawax said: Don't forget jolt can be used as a support, wish and heal bell true won't it die turn uses wish. it gonna survive a hit from anything amanisnoone 1 Link to comment
Torinnnnn Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Manetic is a new poke? Link to comment
gbwead Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Torinnnnn said: Manetic is a new poke? we're talking about manatic actually PepperPoots 1 Link to comment
Goku Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Torinnnnn said: Manetic is a new poke? May we please have the dex # for it? Seems I don't have it registered. Link to comment
Eggplant Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Tiers are generally defined by usage. IE, if nobody uses manectric in OU, it will be UU. If two pokemon do virtually the same thing (ie jolteon and manectric) but one is better than the other-- one will be used, and the other won't. Not to say that manec can't work in OU, it's just that people will use jolteon instead. Meaning, it will end up falling to UU due to poor usage despite possible viability in OU. It's the same with many other pokemon who have decent stats, but have a competitor that does the same thing. Edited February 16, 2018 by Eggplant gbwead and PepperPoots 2 Link to comment
Sashaolin Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) I don't know why, it should not triggers me as much but I have pity for those kind of random new players who struggles to win one duel out of three, who never won anything and who doesn't know anything about the tiers and the metagame but they still talk like every single of their poor ideas are relevant. Grow up kids and listen to the experienced players for the sake of yourself. Edited February 16, 2018 by Sashaolin gbwead, RyoOhsora, DeadGorilla and 1 other 4 Link to comment
DeadGorilla Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sashaolin said: I don't know why, it should not triggers me as much but I have pity for those kind of random new players who struggles to win one duel out of three, who never won anything and who doesn't know anything about the tiers and the metagame but they still talk like every single of their poor ideas are relevant. Grow up kids and listen to the experienced players for the sake of yourself. but then how will the break and innovate the meta :^) Link to comment
Sashaolin Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DeadGorilla said: but then how will the break and innovate the meta :^) You can't innovate anything with such nonsense as "Manectic has lightening rod watch is better then volt asborb" which is totally wrong unless we're talking about Doubles but we don't. If you have an idea that seems at first wacky, of course you can try it and see by yourself if it's weak or if it was underrated but before that, you can't act like if it's effective. Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 hours ago, sakuramyu said: Ferrothorn will get reckt this is a huge threat in OU. their alot pokemon in OU don't want take a flamethrower from a manatic - watch are community used. -> Ferrothron ou -> Scissor ou -> Metagross ou -> Lucario ou -> Bishap ou -> Exadrill ou -> Magnetzone ou -> Forretress uu -> Venusaur ou i think? @Munya left it out of the forums tier list and i cant recall if 4.23% if ou or uu -> Breloom ou -> Jynx nu im assuming you are talking about manetric in ou since everything but 2 pokes you listed are ou so i got to ask, why the fuck are you using it in ou? if you want fast special attacker then gengar just shits on manetric so bad. and what is manectric going to come in on? their are a lot of better options in ou. and as to your flamethrower argument, i counter with shadow ball 252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Alakazam: 128-152 (97.7 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Jolteon Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Cofagrigus: 118-140 (71.5 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Cofagrigus: 64-76 (38.7 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Alakazam: 70-84 (53.4 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO and yes manetric *can* run specs however so can zam and zam outspeeds 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Manectric: 153-181 (105.5 - 124.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO and even if it didnt 252 SpA Choice Specs Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Alakazam: 103-123 (78.6 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO so the niche flamethrower is evened out by niche shadowball and then everything else is in jolts favor. so to answer your question, no one uses it in ou/uu because their are better options unless we are talking uu doubles with discharge spam. jolteon can use specs/orb and is faster and the speed really matters. Link to comment
DeadGorilla Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, Sashaolin said: You can't innovate anything with such nonsense as "Manectic has lightening rod watch is better then volt asborb" which is totally wrong unless we're talking about Doubles but we don't. If you have an idea that seems at first wacky, of course you can try it and see by yourself if it's weak or if it was underrated but before that, you can't act like if it's effective. > :^) but yeah metas meta for a reason. most efficient tactic available. not saying you cant go outside of the meta, but shits still gotta make sense. and "manetic" dont make sense. shit like pyuku and ribombee are very clearly not ou caliber mons, but still fit into the tier decently. PepperPoots 1 Link to comment
ThePrettyPetard Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, sakuramyu said: what seriously you gonna wish on a jolteon it will die on first hit it takes just saying has an eevee lover i know the stats of them fairly well and i can tell you that jolteon has actually pretty good sp def (115 at lvl 50) so it can live a hit from a special attacker since you are aware of that if you have one you will avoid phisical move 1 hour ago, sakuramyu said: but that means nothing if your player switches into a ground type. thunderbolt immune volt tackle immune whats shadow ball gonna do natural damage. have to use hidden power ice it wont kill 2 thing about that, first jolteon cannot learn volt tackle (it has awfull atk stats anyway) and second most ground type are more specialized in def and have a sp def not that good so a jolteon with choice spec could one shot a ground type with hp ice and if you want to come with the argument about steel type again electric is one of the 2 type that does neutral damage to steel and steel usually also has poor sp def wich doesn't make jolteon totally useless against it PepperPoots 1 Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said: a jolteon with choice spec could one shot a ground type with hp ice If it's Garchomp or Landorus, sure. Link to comment
ThePrettyPetard Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, notmudkip0 said: If it's Garchomp or Landorus, sure. 10 minutes ago, ThePrettyPetard said: just saying has an eevee lover never said i was a comp player but who would leave an electric type against a ground type (beside someone making an unexpected play) Link to comment
suigin Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 It's like Pachima and Daryl had a child, it's adorable. Also in a world where Hippowdon is one of the most used Pokemon in the tier I don't see Manectric doing much. I guess it can have a slightly better matchup against Mamoswine than the rest of Electric types but even then I'd rather run literally anything else. PepperPoots 1 Link to comment
Suneet Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, suigin said: It's like Pachima and Daryl had a child, it's adorable. dont talk bout my boy pachi like that pachima and PepperPoots 2 Link to comment
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