pachima Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, LuisPocho said: its very easy to bring an aero against SD ursa after chansey wish 3 20 minutes ago, TheChampionMike said: Spoiler +2 252+ Atk Ursaring Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl: 135-159 (87 - 102.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO You have a weird definition of easy. EDIT: Also, You seem to possess all the 30 checks of the best offensive pokemons in one single team. Gj boi. Edited May 11, 2017 by pachima LuisPocho and Mike 2 Link to comment
Bilburt Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Help I brought 5 walls including chansey but chansey is stalling me, my sweeper starmie cant break it either, please ban Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 3:53 PM, DiDi said: chansey is too hard to beat today i used starmie forretress arca milo dusc and weezing and it just walled my whole team i could not believe it as i sat there being walled that this cancer is still ou someone please do something Dude nice team! Today I used arcanine, tentacruel porygon2 with bolt beam (nothing to beat chansey ofc), slowbro, weezing and bulky spin starmie I was AMAZED at chansey walling me it was seriously the most cancerous shit ever please ban dude I cant win a single ranked match Mike and DiDi 2 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) On 5/8/2017 at 8:53 PM, DiDi said: chansey is too hard to beat today i used starmie forretress arca milo dusc and weezing and it just walled my whole team i could not believe it as i sat there being walled that this cancer is still ou someone please do something 40 minutes ago, BlackJovi said: Dude nice team! Today I used arcanine, tentacruel porygon2 with bolt beam (nothing to beat chansey ofc), slowbro, weezing and bulky spin starmie I was AMAZED at chansey walling me it was seriously the most cancerous shit ever please ban dude I cant win a single ranked match You plebs aren't doing it right, you obviously should be using Trapinch to beat Chansey and if your opponent reveals Shed Hull, you whisper him calling him a gay uguu noob, duh. Edited May 11, 2017 by LifeStyle Link to comment
Risadex Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 16 hours ago, NikhilR said: Lack of stealth rocks is what prevents offensive teams from being rampant in MMO. The only spikers we sadly have are very defensive which slow down momentum or allow starmie to switch in and just spin away the hazards. Because of not having hazards up, you can't punish your opponent through double switching either because they then just keep getting an extra turn of leftovers recovery. Also I feel that this hasn't been stated a lot, but Chansey is a huge, huge pain to take down if you're using choicebanders because of the defensive core that Chansey surrounds itself with. Thanks to protect Chansey can scout the move and if the Chansey user has hazards up, it can go the counter thus forcing you to keep switching and you're just screwed. To break defensive teams it's highly necessarily that you have some sort of wish support if you're using choice banders or try to accommodate a swords dance user. Hp fire mixed cacturne is a good counter for starmie (as today they it doesnt run ice beam) atm its pretty hard for anything bar weezing/k9 switch on it without knowing it moveset, as it can okno chansey and criple steel tipes with hp fire, i really think its a good bet in offensive teams. LifeStyle and BlackJovi 2 Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 at least Landorus is not the stall queen so its not boring to see it in half the teams... Link to comment
Gunthug Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, LuisPocho said: at least Landorus is not the stall queen so its not boring to see it in half the teams... Whether something is boring to watch does not matter even one tiny little bit in ban discussions Mike 1 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Just now, Gunthug said: Whether something is boring to watch does not matter even one tiny little bit in ban discussions Right, I still haven't seen a worthy reason of banning chansey lol Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Gunthug said: Whether something is boring to watch does not matter even one tiny little bit in ban discussions it was just a joke bro, it was that or explain again that there must be a better reason that explains why offensive teams doesnt work as well as they do on paper, at least a better reason than "players are bad"... I´m not very convinced with mike´s idea that people feel safer with chansey, its quite vague, but maybe its true idk. and sory mike, but I use machamp all the time, and super power wont kill skarmory, milotic or arca that are being wish supported... that´s why it needs the boosted facade if there is a chansey (and try to land the righ move when you have been scouted by protect) Edited May 11, 2017 by LuisPocho Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) read through most of the thread. i agree that we need legendaries. their are a lot of good arguments to keep it, mostly just "what will get banned next?" which is against policy and "it's not ban worthy". the arguments for banning are equally subjective. just do a poll with rules on who gets to votes to keep out alts and people who dont comp(like me ^_^). tfw forums goes down when you hit post...... Edited May 11, 2017 by fredrichnietze Link to comment
gbwead Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I personally think Chansey is banworthy for being unhealthy. It would be possible to argue that it fits support UBER characteristics, but I feel that would be a stretch. Whenever I think of OU, I think of Chansey before anything else and there are a lot of ways to take advantage of the fat blop when facing one. Beating Chansey is not difficult and any decent PvP player has figured out how to exploit its presence at this point. However, like I said before, I think Chansey is unhealthy and not broken which mean that looking at whether Chansey can be countered is hardly relevant. What I find more interesting is what is the cost of countering Chansey. What are the consequences of running an anti-chansey strat? I share LuisPocho’s opinion when he says that countering Chansey’s counters is not that difficult. Despite the few exceptions, the viability of teams that can deal effectively with Chansey without using Chansey is not impressive imo. If we had access to pokemons’ filtered win rate percentages, we could evaluate right away if it takes too much to counter Chansey or not. Sadly, we don’t and therefore I don’t think there is a valid way to prove Chansey is unhealthy without a test ban. RysPicz, Suneet and LuisPocho 3 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, LuisPocho said: it was just a joke bro, it was that or explain again that there must be a better reason that explains why offensive teams doesnt work as well as they do on paper, at least a better reason than "players are bad"... I´m not very convinced with mike´s idea that people feel safer with chansey, its quite vague, but maybe its true idk. and sory mike, but I use machamp all the time, and super power wont kill skarmory, milotic or arca that are being wish supported... that´s why it needs the boosted facade if there is a chansey (and try to land the righ move when you have been scouted by protect) Regardless of how you meant it, it's still worth mentioning since I've seen several pro ban arguments on this thread who at least allude to the fact that Chansey based teams are boring to watch For clarification I am currently of the opinion that Chansey is not banworthy but is certainly the highest OU poke on our watch list. If anything, it could possibly be unhealthy but I wouldn't want to go into a test ban half assed, if we made that determination. So I'll pose this to everyone - aside from just "less chansey," what would we like to see out of a healthy metagame that we don't have right now? Edited May 11, 2017 by Gunthug LuisPocho 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Risadex said: Hp fire mixed cacturne is a good counter for starmie (as today they it doesnt run ice beam) atm its pretty hard for anything bar weezing/k9 switch on it without knowing it moveset, as it can okno chansey and criple steel tipes with hp fire, i really think its a good bet in offensive teams. OR, go hp psychic cacturne and pair it with magneton. Risadex 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, pachima said: OR, go hp psychic cacturne and pair it with magneton. or, hp fire like normal people would run on a grass type Risadex and KaynineXL 2 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I have an idea Bring Back Snorlax MrL4g, SpartacusGD, aftershocker and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Xatu Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Can we ban chansey before the update so we can have atleast like 1 week of a less cancerous meta? All of the hard work put into tiering is just being cast aside and wasted anyway. Might as well experience a chansey-free meta to atleast see WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Just now, Xatu said: Can we ban chansey before the update so we can have atleast like 1 week of a less cancerous meta? No fredrichnietze 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Xatu said: Can we ban chansey before the update so we can have atleast like 1 week of a less cancerous meta? All of the hard work put into tiering is just being cast aside and wasted anyway. Might as well experience a chansey-free meta to atleast see WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. There's absolutely nothing of substance whatsoever in this post. Not a single shred of an argument as to why chansey should be banned. This is supposed to be a discussion, if you feel so strongly that chansey should be tested then why not provide some support? LuisPocho, Murcielago, xXBlu3BreathXx and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Munya Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Just because an update is coming that will drastically change the look of the tiers does not mean we will entertain the idea of making changes just to see what if, tiering policies will be upheld until and after the update happens. If in the time between now and the update Chansey ends up banned that is fine but we will not be doing it without it going through the process that is supposed to happen. Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Gunthug said: There's absolutely nothing of substance whatsoever in this post. Not a single shred of an argument as to why chansey should be banned. This is supposed to be a discussion, if you feel so strongly that chansey should be tested then why not provide some support? Why do you even try bro Laz and eporepacse 2 Link to comment
Mike Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Alright let's stay away from personal attacks and flaming and keep it on topic please. This is a chansey discussion not if you think the Tier Council does a good job or not. Link to comment
NikhilR Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Xatu said: Can we ban chansey before the update so we can have atleast like 1 week of a less cancerous meta? All of the hard work put into tiering is just being cast aside and wasted anyway. Might as well experience a chansey-free meta to atleast see WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. If you badly want to see a Chansey-less meta, my best suggestion would be to hold an unofficial tourney with possibly 500k+ as 1st place prize. Murcielago, Maekaaay, eporepacse and 1 other 4 Link to comment
SpartacusGD Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Lets bring back snorlax and chansey problem solved, metagame problem solved. Win-win LifeStyle and Murcielago 2 Link to comment
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