KaynineXL Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, pachima said: yeah, careful raichu walls physical orineted mixed elctabuzz all day. also, grumpig is faster than absol and can ruin it with hidden power/ signal beam on switch You need to build Grumpig differently if you want to fight off Absol, and you need to wonder if it's worth it considering Absol often runs scarf. It's not so efficient at taking special hits when its got enough speed for absol, and enough sp atk to ohko Absol. Dukee 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Absol counters defensive grumpig effectively well, but u didnt specify. Offensive grumpig is a thing. Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, pachima said: Absol counters defensive grumpig effectively well, but u didnt specify. Offensive grumpig is a thing. Well, I did mention it was for walling Ebuzz, so one would imagine it had the required bulk to handle it :p ShadowGary and LifeStyle 2 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Can we discuss Absol? I believe it's too strong for NU, 130 base attack+STAB Pursuit+average speed (amazing to run scarf on) Most people avoid running Psychic types except for Grumpig (which unless it's built to counter absol it will be easily be removed with Pursuit). It has like 22% usage (4th highest) being the most used physical sweeper in the tier, obviously because it's too good not to use. Kizhaz, Mike, AlitoFernando and 3 others 6 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, LifeStyle said: Can we discuss Absol? I believe it's too strong for NU, 130 base attack+STAB Pursuit+average speed (amazing to run scarf on) Most people avoid running Psychic types except for Grumpig (which unless it's built to counter absol it will be easily be removed with Pursuit). It has like 22% usage (4th highest) being the most used physical sweeper in the tier, obviously because it's too good not to use. 2 % higher usage is hitmontop, which can come in and resist megahorn/dark moves and intimidate absol. it even has mach which is a 1hko calcs -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 21-25 (13.3 - 15.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 28-33 (17.8 - 21%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 56-67 (35.6 - 42.6%) -- 95.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Hitmontop Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Absol: 66-80 (47.1 - 57.1%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO also if absol super powers then mach is a 2hko doing 0 Atk Hitmontop Mach Punch vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Absol: 102-120 (72.8 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO and you can run resto chesto or sleep talk if you are concerned about healing. ~keeps scrolling down usage list~ gligar which recently joined nu is sitting at 8.59% and it can shit on all absols. im all out of calcs try again next week so 2 solid counters (rip nidoqueen we shall miss you) and how many checks? oh right everything thats faster just about. it's base 70 iirc so thats quiet a few things. remind you of something? https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/marowak.jpg Link to comment
RysPicz Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Yeah Fred, you are counting switch-ins. But from definition, Absol pursuit-traps a poke, meaning that the switching in poke does not take damage, the switching out does. I also think Absol is too strong for NU although my experience with the tier is abysmal when it comes to practice because I only tend to fuck around with my Seaking, Yanma, Magcargo, Murkrow and some other literally shit pokes for shits and giggles. But as usual I've been spectating a lot and I hear a lot from other people. 130 base atk combined with STAB pursuit and a really nice movepool makes Absol a terryfying force on the battlefield able to break walls without much of an effort and not giving a shit about ghost/ psychic types in the tier at all either. Having an Absol on the field against your Ghost/ Psychic type is a literally 50/50 gamble: you stay, bite kills you, you switch out, pursuit kills you. Regardless I feel like Electabuzz is even a bigger problem but whatever, NU is one huge clusterfuck and noone seems to be taking care of it + I think Absol might get moved up by usage into UU judging from what I saw this far. Edited September 15, 2016 by RysPicz ShadowGary 1 Link to comment
fredrichnietze Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, RysPicz said: Yeah Fred, you are counting switch-ins. But from definition, Absol pursuit-traps a poke, meaning that the switching in poke does not take damage, the switching out does. I also think Absol is too strong for NU although my experience with the tier is abysmal when it comes to practice because I only tend to fuck around with my Seaking, Yanma, Magcargo, Murkrow and some other literally shit pokes for shits and giggles. But as usual I've been spectating a lot and I hear a lot from other people. 130 base atk combined with STAB pursuit and a really nice movepool makes Absol a terryfying force on the battlefield able to break walls without much of an effort and not giving a shit about ghost/ psychic types in the tier at all either. Having an Absol on the field against your Ghost/ Psychic type is a literally 50/50 gamble: you stay, bite kills you, you switch out, pursuit kills you. Regardless I feel like Electabuzz is even a bigger problem but whatever, NU is one huge clusterfuck and noone seems to be taking care of it. this sounds like a argument for support characteristics not offensive and i dont mess around with this anymore since i quit. i dont play enough nu either. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 21 minutes ago, fredrichnietze said: 2 % higher usage is hitmontop, which can come in and resist megahorn/dark moves and intimidate absol. it even has mach which is a 1hko calcs Hide contents -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 21-25 (13.3 - 15.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 28-33 (17.8 - 21%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Absol Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 56-67 (35.6 - 42.6%) -- 95.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Hitmontop Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Absol: 66-80 (47.1 - 57.1%) -- 90.6% chance to 2HKO also if absol super powers then mach is a 2hko doing 0 Atk Hitmontop Mach Punch vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Absol: 102-120 (72.8 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO and you can run resto chesto or sleep talk if you are concerned about healing. ~keeps scrolling down usage list~ gligar which recently joined nu is sitting at 8.59% and it can shit on all absols. im all out of calcs try again next week so 2 solid counters (rip nidoqueen we shall miss you) and how many checks? oh right everything thats faster just about. it's base 70 iirc so thats quiet a few things. remind you of something? https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/marowak.jpg Ice beam absol where DoubleJ and Kizhaz 2 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, fredrichnietze said: 2 % higher usage is hitmontop, which can come in and resist megahorn/dark moves and intimidate absol. it even has mach which is a 1hko calcs Hello pursuit??? is hitmontop gonna help ur kadabra/xatu/grumpig/anything with low hp live one of those? Also you said gligar shits on all absols, not really since mixed ice beam can be a thing Edited September 15, 2016 by LifeStyle ShadowGary and SirYurop 2 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Next tier update should be in a few days right? Link to comment
Frag Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I haven't read many posts here so dunno if someone did it already already, but whatever, I request an Absol discussion thread for being unhealty for the meta, Psychics type are the best checks for victribeel which can ruin any team, unless you're using Muk (another hassle), also Absol limits the meta leaving no space for good stuff, like misdre, keckleon, solrock and a few others. Dukee, Osuki, NikhilR and 11 others 14 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 See even Frags hates Absol, ban it. Link to comment
Tyrone Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 the TC is working on an Absol discussion thread, should be out soon Frag, Arimanius, LifeStyle and 1 other 4 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Tyrone said: the TC is working on an Absol discussion thread, should be out soon Thank fucking god. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Tyrone said: the TC is working on an Absol discussion thread, should be out soon Lf sceptile discussion =( OrangeManiac 1 Link to comment
Liberalisme Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I would like to see a discussion about Victreebell in the NU tier. Victreebell can be used as a growth life orb, Sunny day user or mixed swords dance pokemon (You already see it has several set's that can be used and all work very good. Having that toxic immunity (a move that is used pretty often) and having free switches against most Raichu's and Poliwrath's or predicted toxic's. Victreebell is a really good wallbreaker where even the current special defensive walls (kecleon, raichu and muk) that will switch in most of the times don't appreciate a +2 return or getting poisoned by sludge bomb. Yes it's not the fastest pokemon in the tier but I still think with his high attack, high special attack and several proper sets that can be used, it is a really strong (maybe too strong) pokemon in NU. Spoiler Sorry for bad english lFrankiel, NikhilR, RysPicz and 4 others 7 Link to comment
Liberalisme Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 I would like to hear from the Tier Councils or @Tyrone based on what Nidoking isn't quickbanned in NU. Yeah we can test it but everyone knows it will be broken. Link to comment
Tyrone Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 5 minutes ago, Liberalisme said: I would like to hear from the Tier Councils or @Tyrone based on what Nidoking isn't quickbanned in NU. Yeah we can test it but everyone knows it will be broken. Never-Used is known for the hyper offensive pokemon in there. Nidoking may fit in between all that offense. The Tier Council will keep an eye out for Nidoking, it could get banned to BL2 at any time, so if it is clearly broken we can react to it fast enough. LifeStyle, gbwead, dsteel23 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 There's no reason why Nidoking should be instabanned to BL2. It needs a Scarf to sweep the fastest sweepers especially now that Psychic-types have much more room, Electabuzz has Psychic and Raichu has Surf. If Nidoking runs Scarf, needless to say it needs some serious prediction to pull it off. Definitely a force that should be looked on, yes but not making any hasty calls was definitely the right way to go especially with something as pedestrian as Nidoking. Gunthug, DaftCoolio, LifeStyle and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Laz Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Alright, can someone tell me how to stop a LO mixed Nidoking, without sacking and revenge killing please ? E: can we even enjoy 1 month of a proper tier without always having to deal with a future broken sweeper Edited November 6, 2016 by Lazaro23 Link to comment
BlackJovi Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Lazaro23 said: Alright, can someone tell me how to stop a LO mixed Nidoking, without sacking and revenge killing please ? umm..solrock, oh wait no, megahorn. mm.. Poliwrath? Oh wait no tbolt. Walrein? nvm Hitmontop? ?? Link to comment
Tyrone Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 6 minutes ago, Lazaro23 said: Alright, can someone tell me how to stop a LO mixed Nidoking, without sacking and revenge killing please ? E: can we even enjoy 1 month of a proper tier without always having to deal with a future broken sweeper whiscash DaftCoolio, DoubleJ and KaynineXL 3 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tyrone said: whiscash inb4 hp grass in one of those 30 moveslots Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Hitmontop is a fairly solid counter to Nidoking as well. gbwead and DoubleJ 2 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, OrangeManiac said: Hitmontop is a fairly solid counter to Nidoking as well. 252+ SpA Life Orb Nidoking Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hitmontop: 57-67 (36.3 - 42.6%) -- 97.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Hitmontop Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 90-108 (57.6 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO It can't really switch in with any damage tho sadly, and also... 252+ SpA Life Orb Nidoking Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hitmontop: 76-91 (48.4 - 57.9%) -- 62.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery So it's going to have to be built for Nidoking and have to carry some kind of Wish support (rare in NU) EDIT: But it does do a fairly decent job at stopping any physical Nidoking, but the same can be said about several other mons. Edited November 6, 2016 by DoubleJ Gazelli and Laz 2 Link to comment
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