suigin Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kebaber said: Not sure how Dugtrio on gen7 steroids is allowed in a meta lacking team preview. Anyone care to explain why? No focus sash makes it very vulnerable to scarfers/priority and can't boldly switch into many things it may want to trap but yeah Orange has it right. Link to comment
Kebaber Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, suigin said: No focus sash makes it very vulnerable to scarfers/priority and can't boldly switch into many things it may want to trap but yeah Orange has it right. Implying focus sash is the only thing Dugtrio can use... CB Dug can be a very easy/cheap way of taking out something that otherwise annoys the rest of your team, it has priority too so depending on the situation, it can beat other priority mons too (ofc there's a bigger risk in there). Orb Dug is pretty annoying too, yes it has less longetivity and it can't beat shit like Blissey anymore but it loses the downside of being locked to something that can be setup on. Saying it loses to Scarf/Priority/Jesus Christ is pretty meaningless since Dug will probably achieve what it's supposed to anyways (Uncompetitive RKs/Trapping). And even if none of that works, it can still make use of Memento. Link to comment
Gunthug Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kebaber said: Implying focus sash is the only thing Dugtrio can use... CB Dug can be a very easy/cheap way of taking out something that otherwise annoys the rest of your team, it has priority too so depending on the situation, it can beat other priority mons too (ofc there's a bigger risk in there). Orb Dug is pretty annoying too, yes it has less longetivity and it can't beat shit like Blissey anymore but it loses the downside of being locked to something that can be setup on. Saying it loses to Scarf/Priority/Jesus Christ is pretty meaningless since Dug will probably achieve what it's supposed to anyways (Uncompetitive RKs/Trapping). And even if none of that works, it can still make use of Memento. Yeah I think you're absolutely right that a lack of team preview makes dugtrio problematic but the consensus seems to be that we'll be getting working gen 4/5 abilities soon, and so the bulk of tiering speculation is probably premature at this point edit: it doesn't hurt anything to discuss, though Edited December 4, 2017 by Gunthug Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 So is Tier Council going to open the OU Viability Rankings thread, or is it up to anyone to take? If it isn't in the control of Tier Council, I'd happily make a thread for it as I feel like when the next hotfix happens and lots of relevant Gen5 abilities should be working, I'd say we could already start to try to put some of the rankings there. Tritios and RysPicz 2 Link to comment
Munya Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 If its something you wish to do go for it, it's not being requested or required of a TC member. The old ones with the exception of maybe one hadn't been updated in like 2 years. Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 So when we getting some usage updates? pachima 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, DoubleJ said: So when we getting some usage updates? Soon TM Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) I think Wobbuffet is pretty too damn uncompetitive without team preview. Even with it obviously Wobbuffet still remains uncompetitive but at least you can blame the way you played the situation if you know it is there. However, without team preview the Wobbuffet user can remove a needed counter without making any predictions or "good plays" or can Encore lock something to basically cause a prediction-free set up sweep when the other player did no misplays and I think that's really unfair. I'd hope it's either emphasized to devs to implement team preview asap or I'd wish there was a discussion to quick ban Wobbuffet until we get team preview. Again, it's not inherently OP Pokemon (in terms of risk/reward) - it's just ridiculously uncompetitive without team preview. Edited December 30, 2017 by OrangeManiac razimove, Kimikozen, epicdavenport and 2 others 5 Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 17 hours ago, OrangeManiac said: I think Wobbuffet is pretty too damn uncompetitive without team preview. Even with it obviously Wobbuffet still remains uncompetitive but at least you can blame the way you played the situation if you know it is there. However, without team preview the Wobbuffet user can remove a needed counter without making any predictions or "good plays" or can Encore lock something to basically cause a prediction-free set up sweep when the other player did no misplays and I think that's really unfair. I'd hope it's either emphasized to devs to implement team preview asap or I'd wish there was a discussion to quick ban Wobbuffet until we get team preview. Again, it's not inherently OP Pokemon (in terms of risk/reward) - it's just ridiculously uncompetitive without team preview. I'm not a advocate for team preview but with things like Wobb and Dugtrio going for trapping lately I couldn't agree more with either option. Quick banning seems like the better option though because I feel like with how much team preview has been discussed it probably won't be added. Link to comment
pachima Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 If wobb gets a ban and hydreigon doesnt, Im rioting. Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 4 hours ago, epicdavenport said: I'm not a advocate for team preview but with things like Wobb and Dugtrio going for trapping lately I couldn't agree more with either option. Quick banning seems like the better option though because I feel like with how much team preview has been discussed it probably won't be added. Team Preview has been confirmed for happening but as there are handful of other mechanics that are yet to be implemented (moves and abilities), I suppose they just have a priority over it. epicdavenport 1 Link to comment
Zymogen Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 5 hours ago, pachima said: If wobb gets a ban and hydreigon doesnt, Im rioting. What don’t u riot over Link to comment
pachima Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Zymogen said: What don’t u riot over about you being bad. Should start tho. Also: Any idea on when are we getting tier usage? Edited December 31, 2017 by pachima Link to comment
Munya Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 I have delivered you all a late Christmas present, for those seeking to satisfy their curiosity, the usage list has been updated for the month of December. Happy New Years everybody. Kimikozen and gbwead 2 Link to comment
Rigamorty Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 26 minutes ago, Munya said: I have delivered you all a late Christmas present, for those seeking to satisfy there curiosity, the usage list has been updated for the month of December. Happy New Years everybody. @DoubleJ Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Rigamorty said: @DoubleJ IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING FOR THE PSL MY LADS! Suneet and gbwead 2 Link to comment
Maelstrom Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 so, we aren't going to have ubers on this meta? Link to comment
Munya Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Eventually probably yes. Link to comment
notmudkip0 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Munya said: Eventually probably yes. Just lower their stats or remove the problem abilities from the game xddddd Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 hours ago, notmudkip0 said: Just lower their stats or remove the problem abilities from the game xddddd I hope they were kidding about changing pokemons stats. Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 hours ago, notmudkip0 said: Just lower their stats or remove the problem abilities from the game xddddd nah that's too difficult just scale levels, lvl 45 Salamence sounds manageable OrangeManiac, gbwead, notmudkip0 and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Spaintakula Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, DaftCoolio said: nah that's too difficult just scale levels, lvl 45 Salamence sounds manageable lvl 54 beautifly can beat it I bet Link to comment
Maelstrom Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I would prefer to just ban it instead of these weird modifications. Link to comment
soyhector Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Ban Volcarona. Its too centralizer and doesnt have safe counters in the actual Pokemmo metagame, only way to stop is with stealth rock, blissey with toxic, carefull haryama, or maybe carefull snorlax trying to have rng with body slam. With Stab fire and bug has a big couverage and if you add gigadrain or hp rock has practically perfect couverage and with 1 quiver danze can destroy almost everything. Edited January 4, 2018 by soyhector Link to comment
gbwead Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, soyhector said: Ban Volcarona. Its too centralizer and doesnt have safe counters in the actual Pokemmo metagame, only way to stop is with stealth rock, blissey with toxic, carefull haryama, or maybe carefull snorlax trying to have rng with body slam. With Stab fire and bug has a big couverage and if you add gigadrain or hp rock has practically perfect couverage and with 1 quiver danze can destroy almost everything. Have you considered Haze Mantine, Brave Bird Mandibuzz or Tentacruel Toxic? I heard they also work relatively well. suigin 1 Link to comment
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