Munya Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 Please stay on topic both of you. I won't be changing it as it would require revisiting the subject I feel, and at this point I really, really, don't want to open that can of worms back up. If you strongly disagree with the assessment take note of it and keep it in mind for the future at any point we try and bring it back down, if that ever happens. But by then the ban reason may not even be relevant anymore. Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Munya said: Please stay on topic both of you. I won't be changing it as it would require revisiting the subject I feel, and at this point I really, really, don't want to open that can of worms back up. If you strongly disagree with the assessment take note of it and keep it in mind for the future at any point we try and bring it back down, if that ever happens. But by then the ban reason may not even be relevant anymore. If what I am saying is off topic, please tell me in which thread I am allowed to discuss the issue I brought up. Edited November 24, 2021 by gbwead Link to comment
Munya Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 JJ was more at fault than you yes and he has been reprimanded for it. This is the thread for that discussion but I don't see the point in changing the ruling. I have hidden the off topic posts minus these 2 which I will be doing later. Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Munya said: JJ was more at fault than you yes and he has been reprimanded for it. This is the thread for that discussion but I don't see the point in changing the ruling. I have hidden the off topic posts minus these 2 which I will be doing later. I'm not asking for the ruling to change, simply for the ruling to be explained. The following text explains perfectly why P2 is banned as Defensive Uber. "In a tier without Metagross and Heracross, Porygon2 cannot be countered in any consistent form by any of the offensive Pokemon the tier provides. This coupled with the fact Porygon2 is able to repeatedly exert pressure in the field by safely switching against large part of the tier as well makes it way too good for the current tier." However, there is absolutely no mention of P2 wallbreaking and sweeping through a vast portion of the tier, so how did P2 fit Offensive Uber Characteristics exactly? Link to comment
Huargensy Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 What's your opinion on the duggy pz / Yanmega combo? Makarovs 1 Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Huargensy said: What's your opinion on the duggy pz / Yanmega combo? people play that core ? i feel like its good vss stall/balanaced team but when it face offense its pretty much dead. since you just spam wallbreakers what obv is good vs stall/balanaced team. i think that core isn't really a problem but porygon itself is. Link to comment
Huargensy Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Quinn010 said: 28 minutes ago, Quinn010 said: people play that core ? i feel like its good vss stall/balanaced team but when it face offense its pretty much dead. since you just spam wallbreakers what obv is good vs stall/balanaced team. i think that core isn't really a problem but porygon itself is. Not so much, usually empoleon is the answer to yanmega on offenses, but with a turn and a trio this flies, after that there is not much response, crobat cannot enter that well, and even so you have 4 free spaces to counter the following rival mons (not to mention that yanmega speed boost is good vs offense), also in any case it is dead weight vs offense, we are not obliged to always play that, Yanmega was always a powerful attacker, but at least he had to control , duggy eliminates things like gigalith / empoleon / snorlax / tentacruel, while empoleon and gigalith are rocks setters, it means that yanmega without these would have more opportunity to pivot and hit, in addition, they will have a move that brings dugtrio automatically (u pull) the same with pz But without the ability to pivot, which if it is already a threat, eliminating empo and giga is even more so, putting something broken with something that eliminates the small number of responses it has seems to me a problem. Edited December 22, 2021 by Huargensy Link to comment
RysPicz Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 I don't think it's the "combo". It's the fucking dugtrio, again and always Imperial, Draekyn, Quinn010 and 13 others 16 Link to comment
CaptnBaklava Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, RysPicz said: I don't think it's the "combo". It's the fucking dugtrio, again and always Momentum moves and Dug are just busted Spoiler Dug is busted anyway TohnR 1 Link to comment
Huargensy Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 hours ago, RysPicz said: I don't think it's the "combo". It's the fucking dugtrio, again and always Obvious, but I had to make the example clear RysPicz 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 2 hours ago, RysPicz said: I don't think it's the "combo". It's the fucking dugtrio, again and always it always will enable a busted core and it always will be the problem. RysPicz 1 Link to comment
TohnR Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Quinn010 said: i think that core isn't really a problem but porygon itself is True but also dellusional. If a mon that was checked by so little viable walls such as PZ didn't exist, ofc these types of team wouldn't be that good. However, Dugtrio is also problematic in Dugtrio + Teleport / slow Uturn or Baton Pass strategy (in defensive builds), and it is also problematic even on setup spam teams such as Screens. Porygon-Z should be considered for voting by TC, but Dugtrio should already be gone. Ty ? Edited December 22, 2021 by TohnR pachima 1 Link to comment
BuurmanJuan Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Why is haxorus in OU and not UU? Not arguing just curious, I'm pretty new to PvP. Haxorus seems completely useless in OU with like 30% win rate. Link to comment
Imperial Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, BuurmanJuan said: Why is haxorus in OU and not UU? Not arguing just curious, I'm pretty new to PvP. Haxorus seems completely useless in OU with like 30% win rate. From what I'm aware, Haxorus is the worst Dragon Pokemon in OU and its usage says that, however it's been previously tested once or maybe more, with the decision concluding that it's too powerful to be in UU. There may be a much newer version, but hopefully the page below gives you more information as to why certain Pokemon are borderline (BL): Link to comment
LeJovi Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) We really need to evaluate if MMO's tiering standards (cutoff %to move up or down, etc) are doing our meta good.. how is it gonna be possible that a mon (Slowbro, for example) changes tiers every now and then without it getting any buff/nerf? That's pretty insane E: Players with a lot of resources probably will not care, but this should affect players with low resources a lot. Imagine they breed a team for NU and it just moves up a month later Edited December 27, 2021 by LeJovi Quinn010, CaptnBaklava, Draekyn and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 any information about pz is it finally banned or de we suffer more months with it ? Link to comment
Makarovs Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, Quinn010 said: any information about pz is it finally banned or de we suffer more months with it ? "Porygon Z -The vote has concluded, it will not be banned from UU at this time. " TohnR 1 Link to comment
heichicoda Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 ? Quinn010, Zymogen and Luke 2 1 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 @Quinn010 sorry brah, democracy has won. In other news, apply for our open TC position (@everyone) Link to comment
Makarovs Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Who would have guessed that madara was right all along NikhilR and RysPicz 2 Link to comment
heichicoda Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Let's guess who will be the new TC Link to comment
gbwead Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Imagine banning P2 as Offensive Uber, but not P-Z. Nice tiering policy... RysPicz, NikhilR and Luke 3 Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 6 hours ago, DoubleJ said: @Quinn010 sorry brah, democracy has won. In other news, apply for our open TC position (@everyone) democracy always suck bro Link to comment
Imperial Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 I'm more excited about how annoying Mandibuzz will be (sarcasm) DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Ahhhh more reasons to stay away from this game Link to comment
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