RysPicz Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Don't take it as granted though- I'm just speculating, I can be wrong Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 snorlax ban was extended by one month only, so they could decide soon based on usage (at least they extend the test ban another month)... Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 bring lax back imo KaynineXL and SirYurop 2 Link to comment
pachima Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, LifeStyle said: bring lax back imo no. Coge, barfeelaadmi, LuisPocho and 3 others 6 Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 imagine a meta withouth chansey or snorlax, where walls can do damage, like a real tier... gbwead 1 Link to comment
pachima Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Just now, LuisPocho said: imagine a meta withouth chansey or snorlax, where walls can do damage, like a real tier... but chansey does damage though. Link to comment
codylramey Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 How do i see usage? I dont see it pinned. Also i like the tier the way it is. I dont have to worry about my wall breakers having to 2hko a +1 lax while being able to take multiple bslams and not care about para. Link to comment
Coge Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 20 hours ago, LuisPocho said: imagine a meta withouth chansey or snorlax, where walls can do damage, like a real tier... ya snorlax cant do any damage SirYurop, Erayne and Suneet 3 Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Coge said: ya snorlax cant do any damage Im not saying that snorlax or chansey do low damage, Im talking about how all the other walls are just a bait for chansey/snorlax (so you the will hardly kill something when those are around) Link to comment
Gunthug Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 2 hours ago, codylramey said: How do i see usage? I dont see it pinned. Also i like the tier the way it is. I dont have to worry about my wall breakers having to 2hko a +1 lax while being able to take multiple bslams and not care about para. Usage should be posted here soon. We discussed it during our tier council TS meeting yesterday and made some decisions regarding it - now we'really just ironing out the kinks in all the writeups and should have them out to you guys today or tomorrow LuisPocho, DoubleJ, RysPicz and 4 others 7 Link to comment
Maelstrom Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Aerodactyl is dumb af, how to deal with it?! btw, safeguard is a cool move! Edited January 9, 2017 by Maelstrom RysPicz and SweeTforU 2 Link to comment
aeeaeeaaa Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Use a RS resist like metagross or swampert, though I agree it's really dumb & full of hax Maelstrom 1 Link to comment
suigin Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 7 hours ago, Maelstrom said: Aerodactyl is dumb af, how to deal with it?! btw, safeguard is a cool move! Scarf Flygon Counter Skarmory Swampert Bulky water types in general. Maelstrom and BigPapi 2 Link to comment
Maelstrom Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 What would be the best bulk water options? Link to comment
Laz Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Maelstrom said: What would be the best bulk water options? if your main concern is aero, then swampert, slowbro, vaporeon, milotic, quagsire can do a great job walling it I'd pick slowbro tbh barfeelaadmi and Maelstrom 2 Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Clearly we just need to bring Tyranitar back into the picture. barfeelaadmi 1 Link to comment
KaynineXL Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Lazaro23 said: if your main concern is aero, then swampert, slowbro, vaporeon, milotic, quagsire can do a great job walling it I'd pick slowbro tbh I think with Milo being used so often is one of the reason aero is used a fair bit nowadays. Milo without status isn't quite as bulky physically as a lot of the other physical walls(although it makes up for it in sp def), so it's quite scary to come in on aero, especially with spikes down. Even with status such as twave, flinch/para can be harsh. Quagsire is probably the best, Slowbro also pretty good. Vapo + Weezing really do need to be healthy, they're not as solid as the other two. Doesn't really matter for some of the squishier stuff though as long as you have a fairly healthy Swampert/Metagross/Rhydon in your team, you should be fine Edited January 10, 2017 by KaynineXL Maelstrom 1 Link to comment
LuisPocho Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 if you make good predicts its actually pretty weak, the problem is when you dont, its like a high risk high reward poke Link to comment
Erayne Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Bulky breloom ftw against cb rockslide Maelstrom 1 Link to comment
codylramey Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 It really depends on the variety of aero. CB you need to predict well and usually a strong scarf mon can check it. This is the only aero that can really break walls and usually depends on multiple right predictions and maybe hax to do so. Scarf aero is significantly weaker than the CB counterpart but cant be outsped. Bulky waters usually can wall it tho. Lifeorb is interesting because bulky pokemon can only kind of wall it and it doesnt need to rely on prediction as much. But life orb does take its toll on aero so any bad predicts on his part is free damage and its still not as powerful as CB is. It is also checked by a power scarf mon especially with a se move. Maelstrom 1 Link to comment
Hotarubi Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 On 12/10/2016 at 1:41 AM, gbwead said: Usage with Snorlax Usage without Snorlax 8 pokemons over 25% usage 5 pokemons over 25% usage 7 pokemons between 15% and 25% usage 8 pokemons between 15% and 25% usage 35 OU by usage pokemons (above the 4.36% cut-off point) 37 OU by usage pokemons (above the 4.36% cut-off point) Based on the fact that, ever since the snorlax ban, there is less pokemons over 25% usage, more pokemons between 15%-25% usage and more arguably viable OU pokemons in the tier, I think it is fair to say that the Laxless meta is more open to creativity than the Lax meta. However, when it comes to comparing the level of centralisation of each metagame, it is difficult to claim anything with certainty giving the number of subjective variables to take into consideration. Prior to the Snorlax test ban, Snorlax was everyone's focus when teambuilding and playing. Following the Snorlax, Chansey and Venusaur, two pokemons heavily countered by Snorlax, have now become the main focus of centralisation imo. These 2 meta are centralised in very different ways, so it is not evident which is better regarding the level of centralisation. Something that could perhaps be useful for this centralisation comparison would be a centralisation index. Economist use centralisation indexes, like the Herfindahl index, to evaluate how a market is defined by the big players of that market. Basically, this index is defined as the sum of the squares of the market shares of the firms of a specific market. The higher the result, the more centralised the market. If we consider each pokemon as a firm and the raw usage of these pokemons as the market share of firms, we could theorically come up with our own way to compare mathematically the level of centralisation of each meta by looking directly at the usage distribution. For the month of September, I calced an index value of 304+. For the month of October, I calced an index value of 319+. For the month of November (when Lax was ban), I calced an index value of 315. In theory, the higher the index value, the more centralised the meta. This means that the Lax meta was more centralising than the Laxless meta, but not by much. Obviously, centralisation is not all about numbers, but I just though these index values could give some perspective to the people that make claims about how centralising one meta can be compared to another. Is there anything more recent? Link to comment
gbwead Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 55 minutes ago, Hotarubi said: Is there anything more recent? The tier update should be either today or tomorrow. The new usage table will most likely be posted at that time. Hotarubi, RysPicz and SweeTforU 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 minute ago, gbwead said: The tier update should be either today or tomorrow. The new usage table will most likely be posted at that time. I haven't been paying much attention to OU decisions over the past month, but will the decision on Snorlax come to a conclusion today or tomorrow, if it hasn't already? Link to comment
gbwead Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Just now, DoubleJ said: I haven't been paying much attention to OU decisions over the past month, but will the decision on Snorlax come to a conclusion today or tomorrow, if it hasn't already? The decision on Snorlax has been made and will be announced soon. DoubleJ, LuisPocho and Hotarubi 3 Link to comment
DoubleJ Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Also, is there any reason for Wobbufet still being banned to ubers? Link to comment
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