NU Tier Discussion Request Thread

[Laz]

4 minutes ago, KaynineXL said:

Gunt does have a point though. If you're going to call out every move that Raichu can use and every EV spread that's all well and good, but it wont be as meaningful of an argument as 1 solid moveset. Look at Nidoking, that thing literally can do everything.. Fortunately for us, it can only use 4 moves.

Just to clear the misunderstanding, i'm not saying raichu is unstoppable, i'm just saying it can take out as many pokes as it's too good to not use.
And I predict it to be used so much that it will be probably moved up.
 

[LifeStyle]

2 minutes ago, Lazaro23 said:

Just to clear the misunderstanding, i'm not saying raichu is unstoppable, i'm just saying it can take out as many pokes as it's too good to not use.
And I predict it to be used so much that it will be probably moved up.
 

But to be moved up people would have to actually run it in UU right? Unless OP ban ofc, which I can't see happening

[Laz]

2 minutes ago, LifeStyle said:

But to be moved up people would have to actually run it in UU right? Unless OP ban ofc, which I can't see happening

I don't recall Houndoom being banned because it was used in OU, but anyway this is just speculation, and yeah it's too soon to say anything with certitude 

[LifeStyle]

1 minute ago, Lazaro23 said:

I don't recall Houndoom being banned because it was used in OU, but anyway this is just speculation, and yeah it's too soon to say anything with certitude 

ye it was banned because it was considered OP for UU, and like I said in my previous post I can't see Raichu being the same thing in NU

Also as for Raichu counters, you can also try Relaxed Swalot

252 Atk Raichu Volt Tackle vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Swalot: 66-78 (37.5 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Raichu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Swalot: 66-78 (31.8 - 37.6%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Raichu Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Swalot: 57-67 (32.3 - 38%) -- 0.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Raichu Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Swalot: 57-67 (27.5 - 32.3%) -- 70.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Swalot Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raichu: 94-112 (69.6 - 82.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Kills Raichu after Volt Tackle)

 

[BurntZebra]

33 minutes ago, LifeStyle said:

Well, Muk can't be Toxic'd and it tanks every move Lapras has to offer even if 252 Sp Att

Ig you can either stack Curses against Lapras or go Sub+Focus Punch

252+ SpA Lapras Surf vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Muk: 54-64 (29.8 - 35.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Muk Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 194-230 (81.8 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

If you choose to run Rest on Muk than Brick Break should be fine

252+ Atk Muk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 98-116 (41.3 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Curse Muk against Bold Lapras

0 SpA Lapras Surf vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk: 34-42 (16 - 19.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

+3 0 Atk Muk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lapras: 124-146 (52.3 - 61.6%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

But is Muk good with all the Ground spam in NU + Grumpig and shit? Idk

 

252+ SpA Life Orb Lapras Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk: 80-96 (37.7 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ SpA Life Orb Lapras Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk: 79-94 (37.2 - 44.3%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Lapras Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Muk: 138-163 (65 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

 

and just in case you run into perish lapras

 

0 Atk Muk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lapras: 50-60 (21 - 25.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[LifeStyle]

2 minutes ago, BurntZebra said:

252+ SpA Life Orb Lapras Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk: 80-96 (37.7 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

252+ SpA Life Orb Lapras Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk: 79-94 (37.2 - 44.3%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Lapras Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Muk: 138-163 (65 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

 

and just in case you run into perish lapras

 

0 Atk Muk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lapras: 50-60 (21 - 25.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

Well K9 did mention "Sp def wall to handle Lapras", ofc Muk ain't gonna stay if it's facing DD Lapras, my bad for not noticing it can learn Psychic tho, I'm just used to seeing Surf/Ice Beam/ThunderBolt/ Toxic or Heal Bell which makes me think if people even run Psychic on Lapras. Also ew Hydro, >80 acc not sure if many people have the balls to run that

Perish Lapras is gg tho, always hated that shit

[NikhilR]

1 hour ago, LifeStyle said:

Well, Muk can't be Toxic'd and it tanks every move Lapras has to offer even if 252 Sp Att

Ig you can either stack Curses against Lapras or go Sub+Focus Punch

252+ SpA Lapras Surf vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Muk: 54-64 (29.8 - 35.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Muk Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 194-230 (81.8 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

If you choose to run Rest on Muk than Brick Break should be fine

252+ Atk Muk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lapras: 98-116 (41.3 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Curse Muk against Bold Lapras

0 SpA Lapras Surf vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk: 34-42 (16 - 19.8%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

+3 0 Atk Muk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lapras: 124-146 (52.3 - 61.6%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

But is Muk good with all the Ground spam in NU + Grumpig and shit? Idk

 

Muk really isn't a valid answer to offensive Lapras because it takes 29% minimum on switching in, then another 29% from surf on the same turn it subs, which then takes an additional 25%. Leftovers recovery is 12% and that's roughly 70% health that is gone. 

 

1 hour ago, Lazaro23 said:

I don't recall Houndoom being banned because it was used in OU, but anyway this is just speculation, and yeah it's too soon to say anything with certitude 

Doom was banned for having an unhealthy effect on the meta, not because of its offensive capabilities. 

[fredrichnietze]

12 hours ago, KaynineXL said:

There isn't much for Raichu, well.. You could always Shedinja.

 

At least with Riachu it takes heavy recoil from Volt Tacke + Life Orb unlike I lot of other sweepers, so we'll have to see.

specially defensive nidoqueen

[NikhilR]

1 minute ago, fredrichnietze said:

specially defensive nidoqueen

It got moved up to UU due to usage if I'm right.

[fredrichnietze]

13 minutes ago, NikhilR said:

It got moved up to UU due to usage if I'm right.

i cri. 

[DoubleJ]

One thing I'm going to add is that nidoqueen will be sorely missed. It provided a lot of balance defensively. 

[OrangeManiac]

I wanna suggest a thread for Electabuzz's place in the NU tier. Electabuzz is possibly the worst offender from all special sweepage in NU tier with its high speed which only Electrode beats but it hits harder and has access to Life Ball Cross Chop which deals with Kecleon, a seemingly best counter to special offense. Moves like Signal Beam do massive damage to likes of Bellossom and just the speed and overall damage at this moment is in the very top of the current NU tier. For these reasons I think Electabuzz should be banned a thread should be opened for Electabuzz to discuss about if it has a place in a healthy NU metagame.

Edited August 13, 2016 by OrangeManiac

[ricardommo]

NU Tier are insane atm
 

- Absol

- hitmontop

- Lapras

- Blaistoise

- Walrain

- kingler

-electabuzz

 

Thats all the pokes OP in NU tier

 

NU tier Should be the must "WEAK" Tier with "NEVER USED" pokemon and atm too many OP pokemons!

 

Think about it and try to fixed it 

P.s:thats just my opinion, i hope whose had more poeple thinking like me

 

(sorry about the bad english) Thank u!

[GeneralVenican]

27 minutes ago, ricardommo said:

NU tier Should be the must "WEAK" Tier with "NEVER USED" pokemon and atm too many OP pokemons!

this is just totally wrong

[Spaintakula]

35 minutes ago, ricardommo said:

NU tier Should be the must "WEAK" Tier with "NEVER USED" pokemon and atm too many OP pokemons!

Seeing how throughout gens, even legendary pokes were in NU, that statement is farther away from the truth than tarzan is from civilization.

[SweeTforU]

ban lapras 

[FinnTheMember]

39 minutes ago, ricardommo said:

NU Tier are insane atm
 

- Absol

- hitmontop

- Lapras

- Blaistoise

- Walrain

- kingler

-electabuzz

 

Thats all the pokes OP in NU tier

 

NU tier Should be the must "WEAK" Tier with "NEVER USED" pokemon and atm too many OP pokemons!

 

Think about it and try to fixed it 

P.s:thats just my opinion, i hope whose had more poeple thinking like me

 

(sorry about the bad english) Thank u!

Im okay with all of those , they have not many chance at UU in my opinion. And Never used tier is not weak -.-

[KaynineXL]

On 8/13/2016 at 7:27 PM, OrangeManiac said:

I wanna suggest a thread for Electabuzz's place in the NU tier. Electabuzz is possibly the worst offender from all special sweepage in NU tier with its high speed which only Electrode beats but it hits harder and has access to Life Ball Cross Chop which deals with Kecleon, a seemingly best counter to special offense. Moves like Signal Beam do massive damage to likes of Bellossom and just the speed and overall damage at this moment is in the very top of the current NU tier. For these reasons I think Electabuzz should be banned a thread should be opened for Electabuzz to discuss about if it has a place in a healthy NU metagame.

Well careful Raichu can wall Electabuzz all day, be it mixed or special. I'm glad something can break Kecleon, because then we'd end up like OU where one special wall can wall the whole tier. It barely even out damaged modest Trode, and Trode still out speeds every thing by a lot. We also have Grumpig, probably not worth mentioning too much considering Absol is in the tier.

[fredrichnietze]

21 minutes ago, Spaintakula said:

Seeing how throughout gens, even legendary pokes were in NU, that statement is farther away from the truth than tarzan is from civilization.

in the new tarzan he goes to england to be with jane and only comes back to the jungle after many years to stop it's destruction.

 

tl:dr 8/10 analogy

 

also lapras may be a bit much for nu. perish set is somewhat scary.

[Hotarubi]

38 minutes ago, fredrichnietze said:

in the new tarzan he goes to england to be with jane and only comes back to the jungle after many years to stop it's destruction.

 

tl:dr 8/10 analogy

 

also lapras may be a bit much for nu. perish set is somewhat scary.

Sorry I disagree, everything about NU tier seems to add up to me RN.

[ShadowGary]

1 minute ago, Hotarubi said:

Hmmm I don't really care your opinion.

My remark is valid and currently NU is legit.

Yeah, yeah, a tier with Kecleon being the only somewhat solid SpDef wall with most shit like Grumpig not being able to be run since people are afraid of Absol.

A tier with few counters for Raichu. A tier with half it's players abusing the shit out of it by using Victreebel.

Seems like a real fucking legit tier to me.

[Hotarubi]

4 minutes ago, ShadowGary said:

Yeah, yeah, a tier with Kecleon being the only somewhat solid SpDef wall with most shit like Grumpig not being able to be run since people are afraid of Absol.

A tier with few counters for Raichu. A tier with half it's players abusing the shit out of it by using Victreebel.

Seems like a real fucking legit tier to me.

There are many pokemon in NU tier and currently as I said none of those pokemon really truly imbalance the tier as a whole.

One Pokemon being OP as you say doesn't disqualify any possible counter.

In regards to solid Sp Def wall...

Mantine.....

Its weak to electric after u solve that problem its legit.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Hotarubi

[GeneralVenican]

1 hour ago, Hotarubi said:

There are many pokemon in NU tier and currently as I said none of those pokemon really truly imbalance the tier as a whole.

One Pokemon being OP as you say doesn't disqualify any possible counter.

In regards to solid Sp Def wall...

Mantine.....

Its weak to electric after u solve that problem its legit.

so much pokes has tpunch, ebuzz and raichu common and noobs having random af sets mantine is not a safe bet

[Spaintakula]

11 minutes ago, GeneralVenican said:

so much pokes has tpunch, ebuzz and raichu common and noobs having random af sets mantine is not a safe bet

I mean, his point was idiotic, but mantine isn't really all that bad.

[pachima]

15 hours ago, KaynineXL said:

Well careful Raichu can wall Electabuzz all day, be it mixed or special. I'm glad something can break Kecleon, because then we'd end up like OU where one special wall can wall the whole tier. It barely even out damaged modest Trode, and Trode still out speeds every thing by a lot. We also have Grumpig, probably not worth mentioning too much considering Absol is in the tier.

yeah, careful raichu walls physical orineted mixed elctabuzz all day.

also, grumpig is faster than absol and can ruin it with hidden power/ signal beam on switch