NU Tier Discussion Request Thread

[RysPicz]

I'm not gonna write essays, just please for the sake of NUs sanity, quickban Venusaur

[Glamren]

please ban venusaur from NU ASAP. An ungodly amount of powercreep will emerge if it is not banned. So easy to see.

[Munya]

there is a pending vote right now, but the bar for a quick ban is very high as I've said before.  

[Ramallero]

Just use Cloud Nine Lickilicky:

252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lickilicky: 58-70 (26.7 - 32.2%) -- 47.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery 

252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Weather Ball (50 BP Normal) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lickilicky: 26-31 (11.9 - 14.2%) -- possibly the worst move ever 

252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lickilicky: 47-56 (21.6 - 25.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery 

252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lickilicky: 70-83 (32.2 - 38.2%) -- 2.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[epicdavenport]

On 6/30/2023 at 8:21 AM, Munya said:

there is a pending vote right now, but the bar for a quick ban is very high as I've said before.  

Has the TC discussed Gigalith? Reliable weather setter with crazy bulk, good attack, rocks, works well with other troublesome pokemon ( Venusaur ), has a good winrate. 

[xStarr]

Moving up Kingler when it has like 2 moves it gets boosted. Haha
TLDR: Move pool is ass. No need to bump to UU.

Edited August 14, 2023 by xStarr

[epicdavenport]

9 hours ago, xStarr said:

Moving up Kingler when it has like 2 moves it gets boosted. Haha
TLDR: Move pool is ass. No need to bump to UU.

Crab hammer does more than its water type move that gets boosted by sheer force. Should go back to untiered.

[DoubleJ]

Better be safe than sorry, but yes, probably overkill. Kingler to return September 2023, probably.

[epicdavenport]

59 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

Better be safe than sorry, but yes, probably overkill. Kingler to return September 2023, probably.

Giving Kingler the benefit of the doubt maybe there's potential as a wall breaker?

 

252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 99-117 (49 - 57.9%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Kingler Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Altaria: 125-148 (68.6 - 81.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 117-140 (68 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Kingler Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Golbat: 96-114 (52.7 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Miltank: 87-103 (43 - 50.9%) -- 51.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Seismitoad: 107-126 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Bronzor: 66-78 (40.2 - 47.5%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Kingler Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Qwilfish: 44-52 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- 3.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Life Orb Kingler Night Slash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

 

Calcs of some of the more physically defensive mons in NU.

[Rigox507]

And when do they take blaziken out of the level?

[Munya]

1 hour ago, Rigox507 said:

And when do they take blaziken out of the level?

Well, first you would need to present a reasonable argument, usually with examples, of why it should be and convince others of your opinion on the matter.

[Sargeste]

Who do we present a write-up to if we have one?

[TohnR]

1 hour ago, Sargeste said:

Who do we present a write-up to if we have one?

You can post it here, then ask for TC to open a suspect, if enough people agree surely they will

Edited August 15, 2023 by TohnR

[epicdavenport]

On 8/15/2023 at 4:47 AM, Munya said:

Well, first you would need to present a reasonable argument, usually with examples, of why it should be and convince others of your opinion on the matter.

Might actually do this I'm off tomorrow. Would love to picture a meta game where primeape and emboar can fill that hole.

[Sargeste]

Currently working on one as well. Won't be able to actually finish it until this weekend since there is a lot to look at.

[epicdavenport]

Are we safe to assume some of the pokemon dropping with the new percentages will be quickbanned? Rhyperior, vaporeon, and Milotic mostly. Not sure how to feel about nidoqueen but her last visit did have an intimidating presence.

[Munya]

Rhyperior and Vaporeon are BL2.  Milotic would be up to TC in the end.

[Imperial]

43 minutes ago, Munya said:

Rhyperior and Vaporeon are BL2.  Milotic would be up to TC in the end.

I'm fine with giving Milotic a go in NU but please suspect test this so they're forced to have a vote on it.

Edited August 22, 2023 by Imperial

[epicdavenport]

I know the DLC just released but shell smash Torterra is going to be a blast in NU. 

[gbwead]

Medicham got quick banned unanimously?

[Munya]

Its a normal ban.

[gbwead]

4 minutes ago, Munya said:

Its a normal ban.

Normal bans happen at the end of the month. When I was TC, you would not even allow us to vote unless it was the end of the month.

So it is a quick ban and it's actually a good thing if you removed the unanimous requirement for quick bans. Thank you if that is the case.

Edited October 14, 2023 by gbwead

[Munya]

Policy changes.  We still prefer to not do them in the middle of a seasonal ending month but nothing prevents them from happening whenever.

[gbwead]

Just now, Munya said:

Policy changes.  We still prefer to not do them in the middle of a seasonal ending month but nothing prevents them from happening whenever.

I have a copy of the previous Tiering Policy and I can compare it to the new one that was updated on April 18th, 2023. The only change that was made for Quick Bans that now have to be unanimous.

 

Your personal preferences regarding the timings of potential bans is of no importance. For the past several years, bans have always occured at the end of each month unless it was a quick ban. You can ask @suigin, @pachima, @PoseidonWrath or any previous TC member of the past 5 years, there will all confirm that you never allowed us to vote for standard bans unless it was the end of the month.
 

I am personally fine with the Medicham decision, but your application of the policy changed and therefore you should make an announcement to explain what these changes are. The least you can do is confirm officially that from now on Standard Bans can occur in the middle of the month because that was absolutely not the case before.

[Munya]

And I'm telling you I don't care what it was in the past, what it is now is what it is and how it is.