OrangeManiac Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 15 minutes ago, DaftCoolio said: The relationship between banning offensive pokemon and a more stall based meta isn't always so straight forward, this relationship can sometimes be inverse. *cough* Typhlosion *cough* gbwead and BlackJovi 2 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Just now, OrangeManiac said: *cough* Typhlosion *cough* this is OU discussion be quiet jasonoon95, gbwead, KaynineXL and 1 other 4 Link to comment
pachima Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Erayne said: I think gengar would finally change this too difensive meta. Like 50% players run 4 or more walls atm, and that's because the tc tend to prefer banning offensive pokemon instead of defensive ones. That just promotes brainless playing instead of the need to predict. The return of gengar to ou would definitely increase fun for those who actually can play. That of course is just my opinion. 100% agree. Exept on one small thing. Devs would need to change tier´s name to "CANCER" Erayne 1 Link to comment
suigin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 just introduce assault vest drapion to the tier it's the only surefire gengar counter i think Link to comment
razimove Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Any chance we'll be seeing feraligatr dropping into UU tier soon? He is overshadowed by gyarados and swampert so hard in OU imo Link to comment
BurntZebra Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 11 minutes ago, redspawn said: Any chance we'll be seeing feraligatr dropping into UU tier soon? He is overshadowed by gyarados and swampert so hard in OU imo Feraligatr was quickbanned from UU last usage drop due to its massive sweeping potential in the UU tier with its dragon dance sets or swords dance sets. TsunamiWaves, gbwead and DaftCoolio 3 Link to comment
razimove Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 14 hours ago, BurntZebra said: Feraligatr was quickbanned from UU last usage drop due to its massive sweeping potential in the UU tier with its dragon dance sets or swords dance sets. ... that makes it so that nobody uses feral anywhere :( Thunderprime 1 Link to comment
LifeStyle Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 hours ago, redspawn said: ... that makes it so that nobody uses feral anywhere :( Needs more Sheer Force Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 ty TC for finally banning that monsta Quilachy, DoubleJ, Sashaolin and 6 others 9 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I'd rather have curse banned than snorlax, I don't find him unhealthy, but that move is and is what makes his presence such a threat. Without it, heracross, blaziken and some others would take care of him. Link to comment
LordStifler Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's a Fool Banish Snorlax ( Troll of the Year )QuitingHow much time lost T_T Hotarubi and RysPicz 2 Link to comment
NikhilR Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) The lax thread got closed too quickly before I could post this gif: Putting it in spoilers so no one gets seizures: Edited November 9, 2016 by NikhilR gbwead, BlackJovi, Gunthug and 11 others 14 Link to comment
Hotarubi Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 So we have a nice meta again. Let us observe the fact that we wont have walls for everything that could come flying at us. Lets also observe that there are going to be a lot more pokemon used in the tier now. Lastly there won't be as much curses, or body slam paras and we probably wont be seeing the same thing over and over and over again. Thanks Tier Council Lets check out how much better this meta is now. Good thing this wont be happening for a while. What does snorlax have to say for itself? Spoiler TsunamiWaves, soyhector, hannahtaylor and 2 others 5 Link to comment
epicdavenport Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 So can we get that dugtrio ban lifted? Thunderprime 1 Link to comment
Gunthug Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 46 minutes ago, epicdavenport said: So can we get that dugtrio ban lifted? We discussed this at the last council meeting and determined that we shouldn't bring something already deemed uncompetitive back into the tier just to potentially check other broken things Hotarubi and gbwead 2 Link to comment
Rendiz Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Gunthug said: We discussed this at the last council meeting and determined that we shouldn't bring something already deemed uncompetitive back into the tier just to potentially check other broken things So can we get that Wobbuffet ban lifted? gbwead, DiDi, RysPicz and 4 others 7 Link to comment
DaftCoolio Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 12 minutes ago, Rendiz said: So can we get that Wobbuffet ban lifted? nah that might promote more houndoom usage and we are wanting that to drop really low gbwead, Kizhaz, OrangeManiac and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Hotarubi Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I'm hoping close attention is being made to the monitoring of usage and that you don't just base this usage change on the first month people have a chance to adapt to a meta without snorlax. In order to see these results I think that a slight bit more time than 30 days may be needed however, I think you will begin to notice the difference in poke usage right off the bat. HOWEVER I do believe that Chansey will be constant and annoyingly so as Ever. I'm actually glad to see Chansey filling that spot snorlax once constantly filled for a time. I gotta say this is refreshing. Feel free to call this stale anyone but I'm already feeling like this is Christmas. Link to comment
hannahtaylor Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 8 hours ago, Gunthug said: We discussed this at the last council meeting and determined that we shouldn't bring something already deemed uncompetitive back into the tier just to potentially check other broken things Ok but correct me if I'm wrong, but Snorlax was uber, then he wasn't. So you won't unban Dugtrio yet you did for Snorlax? Snorlax was 'deemed uncompetitive' yet it still went back to OU. I'm not trying to be rude I am just confused, I just need an answer as to why you would do that for Snorlax and not even consider it for another pokemon? Link to comment
NikhilR Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, hannahtaylor said: Ok but correct me if I'm wrong, but Snorlax was uber, then he wasn't. So you won't unban Dugtrio yet you did for Snorlax? Snorlax was 'deemed uncompetitive' yet it still went back to OU. I'm not trying to be rude I am just confused, I just need an answer as to why you would do that for Snorlax and not even consider it for another pokemon? The characteristics under which both pokemon were banned are different. Lax was unbanned when we got items such as life orb / specs because it seemed like it would make Lax's life harder than it was without items. Dugtrio on the other hand is banned for support characteristics because it works well with a team that uses a lot special attackers or a stall team. Dugtrio can trap Snorlax / Blissey which helps pave the way for special attackers to wreak havoc while Dug on stall teams can take out hard hitters like Metagross, Heracross, Mixed Blaziken etc. Edited November 10, 2016 by NikhilR OrangeManiac, DaftCoolio, hannahtaylor and 2 others 5 Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 6 minutes ago, hannahtaylor said: Ok but correct me if I'm wrong, but Snorlax was uber, then he wasn't. So you won't unban Dugtrio yet you did for Snorlax? Snorlax was 'deemed uncompetitive' yet it still went back to OU. I'm not trying to be rude I am just confused, I just need an answer as to why you would do that for Snorlax and not even consider it for another pokemon? Before the implementation of Life Ball, Shed Hull, Swift Choice Band and Special Choice Band, the pokemons that were banned from OU were Wobbuffet, Salamence, Tyranitar, Dragonite, Snorlax, Blissey, Gengar and Dugtrio: Wobbufet was banned for fitting Uber Support characteristics. Salamence was banned for fitting Uber Offense characteristics. Tyranitar was banned for fitting Uber Offense characteristics. Dragonite was banned for fitting Uber Offense characteristics. Snorlax and Blissey were jointly banned for being Unhealthy. Gengar was banned for being Unhealthy. Dugtrio was banned for being Unhealhty. Snorlax was not deemed uncompetitive when it got banned back in 2015. It was extremely centralising and its special bulk was very problematic. When Life Ball and Special Choice Band got implemented, the ban of Snorlax was put into questionning since this special bulk on which he relied so much was not as good as it used to be. The reason why the TC did not unban Dugtrio during the reset is that we did not believe this pokemon would be any less unhealthy than what he already was. Dugtrio was not deemed unhealthy back in 2015 because it was trapping Chansey. It got banned because it was revenge killing Offensive pokemons like Metagross, Heracross, Blaziken, Jolteon, Ursaring and several other threaths. The new item Shed Hull helps Chansey and Blissey escape Arena Trap from Dugtrio. These walls can afford to run Shed Hull. However, all the offensive threats can't really afford to drop their Lum Berry, Life Ball and Choice Band to hold a dead item like Shed Hull that is quite useless for them. Some of these threats can use Swift Choice Band to outspeed Dugtrio. The problem is that Dugtrio can also use Swift Choice Band if it wishes. It is also quite difficult to scout a revenge killer like Dugtrio, but it is very easy to determine the item an Heracross is holding based on the dmg it inflicts. It is quite unlikely for a non Swift Choice Band Dugtrio to be killed off by a faster pokemon because of the scouting ease from which a Dugtrio coming as a revenge killer benefits. Furthermore, it doesn't matter if a Metagross holding a Swift Choice Band is faster than Dugtrio since the Metagross is harmless against Dugtrio as soon as it locks itself on Thunder Punch. This was more or less the reasoning why Dugtrio was not unbanned during the reset. I am not sayign that I agree with everything about that reasoning, but the bottom line is that the TC made imo a fair assumption about what would happen if Dugtrio were to fall in OU. hannahtaylor, Guerinf, Gunthug and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Erayne Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Now ban chansey, milotic, forretress and skarmory :D Link to comment
Maelstrom Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 On 10/11/2016 at 7:04 PM, Erayne said: Now ban chansey, milotic, forretress and skarmory :D I guess milotic's usage will drop a lot without snorlax... Startear 1 Link to comment
Hotarubi Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Maelstrom said: I guess milotic's usage will drop a lot without snorlax... Milotic is still a very viable Sp def wall. Maybe the bold build will drop but there is still quite a few uses for this pokemon. Link to comment
Aspiration Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hotarubi said: Milotic is still a very viable Sp def wall. Maybe the bold build will drop but there is still quite a few uses for this pokemon. Not a lot of changes. Ice Beam or Toxic instead Haze. Edited November 12, 2016 by Aspiration Hotarubi 1 Link to comment
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