Munya Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Going into a new season, 4.75% to go up, 3.75% to go down. Usage at the time of this post dictates movements. To OU from UU: Empoleon - 6.14% Usage To UU from OU: Salamence - 3.32% usage Bronzong - 3.73% usage Mandibuzz 3.23% usage To NU from UU: Blaziken - 3.6% usage Moltres - 2.14% usage Gigalith - 3.66% usage Zoroark - 3.66% usage As usual, discuss whatever in the tiers you think needs discussing. We are also looking for a new TC member, if you have an open application please reply to it to renew it or send a new one if you haven't before. Lumiere, SnowMoon, DoubleJ and 6 others 5 2 1 1 Link to comment
Sargeste Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Did we ever get a vote on Rhyperior in NU? Not sure if I missed it. Link to comment
juajuajua Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 ohhh i thought we were gonna get NU swampert shame.... Link to comment
ChronoRike Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 17 minutes ago, Sargeste said: Did we ever get a vote on Rhyperior in NU? Not sure if I missed it. We had a discuss about it but it’s a Mon unstable in the actual meta game that can 2hko or 1hko most of meta mons that are here but as we did with Venomoth they could try to drop it and test Also @Munyawith the Swampert rate isn’t him coming to NU? Sargeste 1 Link to comment
TohnR Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Sargeste said: Did we ever get a vote on Rhyperior in NU? Not sure if I missed it. Some day before you played probably (early seasons like s3 or 4) we decided to ban Roserade & Rhyperior shortly after they dropped to NU. They were really overwhelming not gonna lie, Rhyperior was the type of mon that you couldn't really check/counter and that always ended up enforcing a sac or a trade kill. I'm unsure if Rhyperior was ever suspected to drop back down since then (same thing for Durant who has been banned from NU for ages, like 2018 or something) Edited March 27 by TohnR Sargeste 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, ChronoRike said: We had a discuss about it but it’s a Mon unstable in the actual meta game that can 2hko or 1hko most of meta mons that are here but as we did with Venomoth they could try to drop it and test Also @Munyawith the Swampert rate isn’t him coming to NU? nope, its at 3.77, needs to be below 3.75. 9 minutes ago, Ziiiiio said: thought gastro goes up Nope, 4.6, need to be above 4.75 Link to comment
Ziiiiio Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 but I dont this it is right to drop Salamence and move Empoleon to OU Last time even with Empoleon in UU and Salamence get banned TohnR, PoseidonWrath and agncunhass 3 Link to comment
ChronoRike Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, Munya said: nope, its at 3.77, needs to be below 3.75. My bad last time I checked it was 3.66 shit Link to comment
FlacuSkye Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, Ziiiiio said: but I dont this it is right to drop Salamence and move Empoleon to OU Last time even with Empoleon in UU and Salamence get banned Mence went to OU by usage right? No ban was done iirc. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
RysPicz Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, FlacuSkye said: Mence went to OU by usage right? No ban was done iirc. Nope. It went to OU because it's HA Moxie was implemented gbwead and Godhelll 2 Link to comment
FlacuSkye Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, RysPicz said: Nope. It went to OU because it's HA Moxie was implemented I remember TC agreed Salamence was fit for UU even after Moxie being implemented. July-2023 Movement Discussion To OU from UU: Salamence - 5.26% OU Usage DoubleJ and IanP 2 Link to comment
TohnR Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RysPicz said: Nope. It went to OU because it's HA Moxie was implemented Yea it did, by usage ! Then people realized Moxie Mence sucks in OU :'D Honestly tho Mence sounds overwhelming, as our only defensive steel is going to be Bronzong. We also lost Mammoswine since it was last implemented into the tier (maybe we lost Mammo during the Mence UU era actually, unsure) 😢 Let's find out ! Spoiler At least Crawdaunt and Entei are not as problematic anymore huh ! Edited March 27 by TohnR Link to comment
gbwead Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Munya said: We are also looking for a new TC member, if you have an open application please reply to it to renew it or send a new one if you haven't before. @Ziiiiio TohnR and Ziiiiio 2 Link to comment
ChronoRike Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 13 minutes ago, TohnR said: Yea it did, by usage ! Then people realized Moxie Mence sucks in OU :'D Honestly tho Mence sounds overwhelming, as our only defensive steel is going to be Bronzong. We also lost Mammoswine since it was last implemented into the tier (maybe we lost Mammo during the Mence UU era actually, unsure) 😢 Let's find out ! Reveal hidden contents At least Crawdaunt and Entei are not as problematic anymore huh ! just use piloswine ez YourAngst and TohnR 2 Link to comment
VadimEmpoleon Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I suggest testing Rhyperior in NU. Zymogen and Bertolfoso 1 1 Link to comment
JurassicMick Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I think I remember certain someone saying Empo wasn't a good mon because it was UU... What a plot twist 😂 Doctor, YourAngst and DoubleJ 1 2 Link to comment
Tawla Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 45 minutes ago, VadimEmpoleon said: I suggest testing Rhyperior in NU. No InsufficientPylons and CaptnBaklava 2 Link to comment
Imperial Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Welcome back chicken, we missed you Doctor, JurassicMick and YourAngst 2 1 Link to comment
javitodesm88 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) Finally empoleon Edited March 27 by javitodesm88 Link to comment
Makarovs Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Would Shaymin had the same fate if these drops had happened earlier? 3 potential checks for him dropping in the same month right after the review is sad. (No criticism, just a honest question for TC ) RysPicz and VadimEmpoleon 2 Link to comment
gbwead Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Makarovs said: Would Shaymin had the same fate if these drops had happened earlier? 3 potential checks for him dropping in the same month right after the review is sad. (No criticism, just a honest question for TC ) I'm pretty sure all 3 of them were in the tier when Shaymin was getting tested. The main change would be Ninetales and Entei imo. Edit: Shaymin was banned in July 2023. Mandibuzz was UU until January 2024. Bronzong was UU until October 2023. Salamence was UU until July 2023. Edited March 27 by gbwead Link to comment
vaguelylistless Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Munya said: To NU from UU: Blaziken - 3.6% usage Moltres - 2.14% usage Gigalith - 3.66% usage Zoroark - 3.66% usage Let me think about NU's recent drops: The Blazin' Kickin' Chicken is back once again. Sure, it won't have similar dominance as it had before its rise to UU. Hopefully, we can topple the ubiquity that Hitmontop has had on the tier. BKC has amazing set diversity and utility with the capability to run various sets like scarf, banded, LO, SD, and Mixed. Colonel Sanders has been cooking something because we got the 2-for-1 special with these drops. Moltres is unironically such an interesting mon in NU. Sure, defensively it's a worse Golbat with a 4 times rocks weakness but I feel like it could be an interesting mon to have in the tier, regardless of its flaws. (I hate Charizard btw) Gigalith is back. Gigillions must run sand. I am so hyped for the return of Gigalith to NU. Zoroark is odd and that is to say that I don't know what to think about this. I am not sure it will stay in the tier for long given NU's lower power-level and worse potential checks and counters. Link to comment
Makarovs Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 3 hours ago, gbwead said: I'm pretty sure all 3 of them were in the tier when Shaymin was getting tested. The main change would be Ninetales and Entei imo. Edit: Shaymin was banned in July 2023. Mandibuzz was UU until January 2024. Bronzong was UU until October 2023. Salamence was UU until July 2023. Yeah I know they were together before in the tier, thats not my point. We are in a different UU meta now, as you said, Ninetales and Entei are used frequently and yet the TC chose to keep the ban. We had no acess to the discussion they have, so all we can do is imagine the reasons and I was thinking about maybe the lack of checkers/ways to avoid seed flare span is one of the reasones. Anyways, those 3 pokes can somehow deal or help to deal with that problem but idk. When I questioned if Shaymin would had the same fate if these drops had happened earlier, I was referring to the recent reevaluations of bans, not the first Shaymin ban back then. Godhelll 1 Link to comment
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